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The '90s, it was this very special time.

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Pop culture was really important.

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<i>Maybe The X-Files is right.</i>

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It was a very, very exciting time.

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<i>It is time to go back.</i>

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I think everybody was looking
for a way to do something original,

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to sort of stand out.

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It's kind of a carnival atmosphere.

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Exploding with like a new kind of energy
that I don't think anyone had seen before.

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<i>What does it want?</i>
<i>What is it thinking?</i>

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We really don't get the credit
that we deserve

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for what we brought to the party.

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The whole machine changes.

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<i>There's no room for imagination.</i>

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- There's some really
brilliant moments in the '90s.

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Rodriguez and Tarantino killed it.

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Wes Craven, he really started a whole
era of filmmaking. It's pretty amazing.

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<i>It's a scream, baby!</i>

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- Meta on meta.

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The studio had no idea
what this movie was.

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<i>This is the moment</i>
<i>when the supposedly dead killer</i>

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<i>comes back to life for one last scare.</i>

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The resurgence of teen horror movies.

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The fear of being in high school.

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The fear of being an other.

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The fear of people really knowing
who you are.

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I think those are really universal.

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<i>But aren't you tired</i>
<i>of being something you're not?</i>

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I love looking at the misbehaviors
of the human psyche.

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<i>I know this book will drive people crazy.</i>

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- Humans are the monsters in movies.

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They are an amalgamation of who we are.

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<i>Extract now!</i>

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We're dealing with a lot
of social and political themes

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that even then, when we were doing it,
scared people.

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The emotions that it brings out
of you are real.

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The world was shifting in various ways
that led to the 2000s.

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Technology was advancing.
Culture was getting kind of uneasy.

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Lent an air of uncertainty and anxiety
to the general atmosphere,

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which is always going
to transmit itself to movies.

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It is a direct correlation
to the way the generation

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at that time is living.

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<i>I am the face that stares back</i>
<i>at you from the shadowed mirror.</i>

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Part of the reason the independent
film industry was so alive

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and the mainstream film industry
was so vibrant in the '90s

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was because of the advent of DVD.

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<i>You gotta love this technology.</i>

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- It was sort of the new chapter in a way,

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but there's always change
and you never know

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which direction things are gonna go.

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<i>Please, I don't want to die.</i>

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Hollywood always burns it out
to a crisp before they jump

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on something new,

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fueled my desire to make
something different.

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<i>Hungry, cold, and hunted.</i>

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If you really pay attention,
you can find gold in the '90s.

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<i>Gold is power.</i>

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That's what's great about horror.

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There's so many things I haven't seen
and I can just explore.

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That's what people wanted.
That's what audiences wanted.

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<i>It is time to get seriously scared.</i>

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<i>As you wish.</i>

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IN SEARCH OF DARKNESS
1995 - 1999

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JOURNEY BACK INTO ICONIC '90S HORROR

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I think there's such
an interesting relationship

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between horror and culture,
like a dialogue between them,

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probably more so than any other genre.

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In the late '80s, the Berlin Wall fell

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and the fear of imminent
nuclear death was over

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or it felt like that was on pause.

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And I just don't think people
were as afraid.

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It was like some you know, turning point.

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And there was a degree of optimism
that the Cold War was over.

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And that sort of blanket
of fear that had shrouded

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the world for decades
and decades came to an end.

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<i>We will no longer let the powers</i>
<i>that be control our minds.</i>

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Peace was breaking out all over.

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And people had nothing to pay attention to
except things like Monica Lewinsky.

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There was a lot of fluffy news going on.

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<i>I did not have sexual relations</i>
<i>with that woman.</i>

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It wasn't like there was a war happening.

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It wasn't like there was a recession.

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It wasn't like there was
anything specific for people

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to be mad about.

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But that's not to say
they weren't mad, you know?

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This is when we're getting
our Alanis Morissette,

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our Limp Bizkit,
the suicide of Kurt Cobain.

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There was definitely something happening,
but it was hard to put our finger on.

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<i>We will go together</i>
<i>to a world without pain.</i>

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I think we were learning
that greed was not so good.

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<i>Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.</i>

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I never particularly believed
that in the first place.

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But people who have bought
the whole greed is good thing

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were coming rather unstuck
to an extent in the '90s.

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And you see that start to feed in,
I think, to the horror landscape.

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<i>The road of excess</i>
<i>leads to the palace of wisdom.</i>

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<i>For we never know how much is enough.</i>

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Inevitably, when people are afraid,

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they want to experience
that kind of fear in a theater,

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in a safe environment.

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Like those two things
are inextricably linked.

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In the '90s, it was like really
about psychological turmoil.

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It was about the feelings
that people had about themselves

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and maybe their place in the world,
and their disappointment with themselves.

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<i>I guess you were right, Worth.</i>
<i>There is no way out of here.</i>

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Suddenly, society started turning
their anger and frustration, hostility,

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depression on themselves, it seems.

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I don't know why.
And maybe I don't want to know why.

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<i>There's a devil inside everyone.</i>

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We could see that there were
individual lone wolves

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who could shoot up a school
or bomb a building

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or create mass tragedy.

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These were unpredictable
and therefore, uncontrollable.

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<i>-And I'm very upset.</i>
<i>-Oh.</i>

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That sense of dread.

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The sense that something random
and horrific could happen

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to you at any given time.

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I think it speaks to the pain
that kids are going through.

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That they feel like they don't have
any kind of avenue besides violence.

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<i>Payback's a bitch, isn't it, Natalie?</i>

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Signing up on AOL.

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Eee, woo, wee, dwoo, dwee, dwaa…

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The internet starts to take hold
in the middle of the '90s.

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What it promised was the idea that
the world is gonna get a bunch smaller.

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And there's now this device,
this network, this method

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to find your people,

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which is an exciting thing
for a lonely horror nerd, right?

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It's just your fate.
You're that geeky Stephen King kid.

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There's one of you in every school.

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I was using it to chat
with other horror fans

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and connect with people around
the world and find community.

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That nascent technology gave rise
to a glut of these cyber horror movies.

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There was some anxiety hurtling
towards the turn

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of the millennium.

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There's always knee-jerk
reactions to things that evolve

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that come from the fear of change.

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I deal with this in all my tech docs.
It's how I feel about technology.

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So the world was upside down,
because of this new thing.

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<i>New wonders, majesty, new splendors.</i>

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The late '90s, you thought,

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"Okay, 2000's coming,
the millennium's coming.

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What's gonna happen?
How are things gonna change?"

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It's unsettling at times.

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- <i>The folks here are ready</i>
<i>for the big moment</i>

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<i>where we turn the millennium over to 2000.</i>

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That moment where the calendar
was go switch over

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to a zero at the end.

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And what does that mean?
Is that the end of the world?

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There was a lot of
millennial fear rolling through

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a lot of popular culture
in the late 1990s.

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For years, we had grown up
being told that the 2000s

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were either post-apocalyptic hellscape
or a world with flying cars.

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And all of the <i>Star Trek</i>
science fiction leisure

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and comfort that we expected
wasn't coming to pass.

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So, I think that did provide
a sense of anxiety

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that the turn of the millennium is coming.

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Are we ready?
Are things actually getting better at all?

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<i>The time for trickery is past.</i>

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<i>In this game, we show ourselves</i>
<i>as we really are.</i>

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I wasn't so jaded.

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What were the 2000s?

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What were they gonna bring us?

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And there was this anticipation
like we don't know,

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but I hope it's good.

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Something like <i>The Matrix</i>
comes out with the idea

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that we're all living in an illusion
and this world that we inhabit,

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as shitty as it is,
the real world is even worse.

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This is our playground.
This is our illusion.

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<i>The Matrix</i> really resonated with people

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and why we're still using the terminology
of the red and blue pill even today.

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<i>- You take the red pill,</i>
<i>you stay in Wonderland,</i>

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<i>and I show you how deep</i>
<i>the rabbit hole goes.</i>

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People are so afraid
of the next millennium

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that they become very fundamentalist
and concretized in their thinking.

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<i>You have no idea what's going on.</i>

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There's a lot going on in the world
at that time.

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A lot of cults and mass suicides.

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- You had the Branch Davidians

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and David Koresh
and you had Heaven's Gate.

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The world is gonna shut down
and we're all gonna go

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fucking nuts and kill each other.

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It's a modern-day biblical story.

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A doom and gloom, end-of-times scenario.

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We weren't quite sure
whether we were going to get

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to see the noughties
when the Y2K scare came along.

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Like everyone here is waiting
for the same thing,

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the stroke of midnight.

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It's hard to explain to a Gen Z person

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the amount of anxiety
that Y2K generated at the time.

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It was a weirdly scary moment
in our culture,

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because we didn't know.

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<i>End of Days</i> with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Not even Arnold was going to be immune
from the worst-case scenario of Y2K.

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Catastrophic failure.
No one wanted to be on an aeroplane.

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All of our clocks weren't gonna
reset and never go back.

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You were gonna lose everything
on your computer.

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<i>All we can do now is batten down</i>
<i>and ride it out.</i>

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I never really subscribed to that.

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I was with Prince, you know,
let's party like it's 1999.

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<i>So tonight I'm going</i>
<i>to party like it's 1999</i>

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We were all in shock, because
we were told by the media,

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by commercials, by movies, by television,

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that it was gonna go very bad
and then it didn't.

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This whole Y2K thing never made
any sense to me.

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What's gonna happen
is the sun's gonna burn out.

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It's gonna get big uh,
it'll toast what's left of the earth

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and we'll be a little cinder
and that's the end.

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I won't be around.
So, I-- you know, good luck.

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1995

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<i>Thank you.</i>

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This is how much I love <i>Demon Knight</i>.

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I bought these and I have
kept them for 29 years.

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<i>So glad you could join me.</i>

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<i>Your old pal, the Crypt Keeper,</i>
<i>has gone Hollywood in a big way.</i>

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<i>Demon Knight</i> is the pinnacle of
like what a B movie is for me.

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Shout out to Ernest Dickerson.
He directed the hell out of it.

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<i>Demon Knight</i> is about a group
of desperate people

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who are trapped in a church
in the middle of the desert.

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A church that has become
a seedy motel that's under siege

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by this demonic person called,
"The Collector" to possess

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an object of awesome power
from a mysterious stranger named Brayker.

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<i>-Drop the guns or I'll kill her.</i>
<i>-Don't!</i>

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<i>I said, drop your goddamn guns!</i>

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With the success of <i>Tales from the Crypt,</i>
the series on HBO,

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Universal, who owned those rights,

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approached us and said
we should make movies.

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We came upon <i>Demon Knight</i>.

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I felt it wasn't something
I wanted to direct

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and we found Ernest Dickerson,
who was a much better choice

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than I would have been
for that particular script.

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<i>Heads up!</i>

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What I was really fascinated by
was that it was creating

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a mythology and I wanted
to be part of that.

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These kinds of movies,
they're very hard to make,

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because you have limited budget,
limited time,

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and so the collaboration is crucial
to get what you want.

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And so I found working
with Ernest to be a delight.

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I mean, just a delight.

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<i>This property is hereby condemned.</i>

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The great thing about it was that
it was all shot in one location.

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We were able to actually get
a decommissioned

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airplane hangar at Van Nuys Airport.

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You know, we didn't have
to shoot at night.

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We had much more control
and it wound up being

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a great experience.

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I first saw Billy Zane
in the Australian film <i>Dead Calm</i>.

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And here's this really,
really handsome guy who plays

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this really psychotic killer.

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He had a lot of fun with
the character of the collector.

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<i>Come on out, everybody.</i>
<i>Time to play.</i>

251
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I wanted to give the impression
that the collector loved his job.

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You know, just total contempt
for humanity.

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- <i>Humans, you're not worth</i>
<i>the flesh you're printed on.</i>

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<i>Fuck this cowboy shit!</i>

255
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<i>You fucking hoedown, podunk,</i>
<i>well then there motherfucker!</i>

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Billy Zane improv'd the hell
out of that movie.

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He really did a great job.

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<i>Do we have a deal?</i>

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<i>Something tells me you don't trust me.</i>

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I just loved you know,
being able to balance the horror

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and the humor in the horror.

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<i>At least we're all in one piece.</i>

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<i>I'm sorry about that, Irene.</i>

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<i>It's okay. Vodka's kicking in.</i>

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And Bill Sadler, who played Brayker.

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Bill had this great reputation
for playing, you know, pretty bad guys.

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<i>If you don't want those planes</i>
<i>to start splashing</i>

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<i>into the Potomac as they run out of fuel,</i>
<i>what I want is very important.</i>

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Which was ideal, because
in the beginning you don't know

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who's the good guy.

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It defies your expectations
pretty much at every turn,

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because the characters you think
who are gonna survive don't.

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And the characters you think are
gonna die and die first don't.

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It's so subversive in that way.

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Jada Pinkett.
I remember I'm just like, "Wait, hold up.

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Is she the protagonist of this?"

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And then it's like, "She's the final girl?

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Oh my God."

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<i>And you're the only one left.</i>
<i>You're the chosen one.</i>

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<i>That's what I came here to do.</i>
<i>Give you this key.</i>

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I wanted an African-American,
because everybody's gonna think

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she's gonna be one of the first persons
to die, you know?

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'Cause that's what always happens.

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<i>If I can't have your soul,</i>
<i>I'm gonna take your heart.</i>

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I was 14, I think,
when the movie came out,

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I had not seen a black female
character lead a horror movie.

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It was a revelation for me at the time
and probably one of the big reasons

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why I cherish this movie so much.

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We were able to design
some really cool demons.

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You know, we had these mime artists,

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who wore leg extensions
and they did an amazing job.

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I had started putting my mother
in some of my movies.

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And my mother thought she was
gonna play a demon in this one.

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00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:07,573
And I'm thinking, "Oh no,
I can't kill my mother on film."

295
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<i>Fuck that, shoot 'em both.</i>

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I loved working with Ernest.

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We just had the best time making
that picture together.

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It kind of broke the mold
of what the typical

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<i>Tales from the Crypt</i> story was.

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It wasn't that comeuppance
kind of a thing.

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<i>What the hell are you doing?</i>
<i>You call that acting?</i>

302
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You know, <i>Demon Knight</i>,
when you look at it,

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is really cosmic horror.

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To me, that is true horror.

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The horror of the unknown of the universe.

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<i>Now that's entertainment.</i>

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Wendigo, aka <i>Frostbiter</i>:
<i>Wrath of the Wendigo</i>,

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directed by Tom Chaney.

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This movie was made in the '80s
but did get released

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in the '90s by Troma.

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Troma put out a lot
of independent filmmakers

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in the '90s and it still do, of course.

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<i>Leave my land.</i>

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<i>I'm not about to let some old bum tell me</i>
<i>where I can't hunt.</i>

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00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:13,263
<i>You have no idea</i>
<i>what you may be the cause of.</i>

316
00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:14,765
This movie is fantastic.

317
00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:18,018
It's about a group of hunters
that summon an evil,

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00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:21,063
so to speak, in a cabin,
and all hell breaks loose.

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00:16:24,858 --> 00:16:27,444
And now a woman has to go
and clean up the mess,

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00:16:27,528 --> 00:16:29,363
which is pretty much like life.

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<i>You are the chosen one,</i>
<i>you must complete the circle.</i>

322
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It has a Sam Raimi camera movement.

323
00:16:37,788 --> 00:16:40,624
Let's wear our influences
on our sleeves, and I love it.

324
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:46,922
So many practical effects,
including a little creature

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that comes out of a pot of, quote,
"bodacious chili".

326
00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,511
<i>Want some of my bodacious chili?</i>

327
00:16:52,594 --> 00:16:56,015
<i>Dipped in feet, this shit's getting thick</i>
<i>and the dinner's good and ready.</i>

328
00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:58,475
We'll never see chili the same way again.

329
00:16:59,351 --> 00:17:00,978
<i>Oh, get off me!</i>

330
00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:04,940
One of my favorite parts
about this movie is this plane

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00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:06,817
that gets attacked by this creature.

332
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:10,320
The creature is a puppet in this scene,
and it's absolutely charming.

333
00:17:10,404 --> 00:17:11,947
It's all about reactions.

334
00:17:12,031 --> 00:17:15,743
<i>I told you I can't see 2 feet fairly,</i>
<i>how the hell can I land?</i>

335
00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:18,495
Is it a plane? It's not a plane,
but they're gonna sell it

336
00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:20,706
and this is what I love about
low-budget filmmaking.

337
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:23,375
They need a plane.
They're not gonna shoot around it.

338
00:17:23,459 --> 00:17:25,210
They're gonna just make this plane,

339
00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:27,755
and everyone's gonna be
on board literally for it.

340
00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:33,761
The music in this movie is jazz.
It's rock.

341
00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:35,721
It's a little bit of everything.
It changes.

342
00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:37,347
<i>Come and get me, boys.</i>

343
00:17:37,431 --> 00:17:38,640
<i>Get it out of here!</i>

344
00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:41,185
<i>Who's first for my tasty treats?</i>

345
00:17:41,268 --> 00:17:44,396
And speaking of rock,
Ron Asheton is in this movie.

346
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,065
He's from The Stooges.

347
00:17:46,148 --> 00:17:49,151
Why is a punk demigod
in a movie like this?

348
00:17:49,234 --> 00:17:52,071
I have no idea, but however you got him,
I'm glad you did.

349
00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:55,616
That's right. It's everywhere
and it's everything.

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00:17:55,699 --> 00:17:57,868
And spoiler alert, we do get a Wendigo,

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00:17:57,951 --> 00:18:00,537
and it's straight out
of the Ray Harryhausen handbook.

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00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:04,458
A stop-motion creature
that just looks fantastic.

353
00:18:08,003 --> 00:18:10,214
It uses every trick in the book.

354
00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:12,341
And if you look at someone
like Tom Chaney can do it

355
00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:14,468
inspires you to think,
"I can do this, too."

356
00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:17,638
<i>Join me.</i>
<i>We must stop the Wendigo.</i>

357
00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:20,641
This is a great example
of something that was plucked

358
00:18:20,724 --> 00:18:23,352
from the '80s and we're able
to see it in the '90s,

359
00:18:23,435 --> 00:18:25,979
because of Troma doing the Lord's work.
Hail Satan.

360
00:18:26,063 --> 00:18:30,818
<i>Here's to the three-breasted women</i>
<i>of good old Tibetan.</i>

361
00:18:36,698 --> 00:18:38,826
<i>I know this book will drive people crazy.</i>

362
00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:41,829
<i>Well, let's hope so.</i>
<i>The movie comes out next month.</i>

363
00:18:44,998 --> 00:18:47,876
<i>Apocalypse Trilogy</i> is something
that I realized

364
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,379
I was doing a couple movies into it.

365
00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:53,048
These movies are about
the end of everything.

366
00:18:57,511 --> 00:18:59,805
I suppose that comes from my upbringing.

367
00:18:59,888 --> 00:19:02,891
I was raised where you read
the Bible in school.

368
00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:06,061
Some of that stuff's
really spooky and about the end.

369
00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:07,771
Holy Toledo, really?

370
00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:10,440
And I got fascinated
with the end of things.

371
00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:14,069
<i>- We have gotten reports, um,</i>
<i>sketchy at best, of people mutating.</i>

372
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:18,031
Their bodies swelling and distorting.
In the Mouth of Madness kicks serious ass.

373
00:19:18,115 --> 00:19:19,491
It's one of my favorite Carpenter movies.

374
00:19:19,575 --> 00:19:21,660
It centers around a private investigator

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00:19:21,743 --> 00:19:26,248
who's hired to track down a genre
horror novelist who's disappeared.

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00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:29,501
Sam Neill plays the investigator
who's off trying

377
00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:32,546
to track down Sutter Cane,
because his new novel,

378
00:19:32,629 --> 00:19:34,214
<i>In the Mouth of Madness,</i> is starting

379
00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:37,926
to drive people literally crazy
who are reading advanced copies.

380
00:19:37,968 --> 00:19:39,553
<i>Do you read Sutter Cane?</i>

381
00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:41,388
<i>What?</i>

382
00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:44,808
It's all homage to H.P. Lovecraft.

383
00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:46,852
It's not an homage to Stephen King.

384
00:19:46,935 --> 00:19:48,145
It's all Lovecraft.

385
00:19:48,228 --> 00:19:50,189
That crazy world of his.

386
00:19:50,272 --> 00:19:53,650
<i>- The Stygian world yawning</i>
<i>blackly beyond.</i>

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00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:58,322
- A pulp writer. Science fiction
horror/horror stories.

388
00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:00,991
His ideas were so incredible.

389
00:20:01,074 --> 00:20:03,243
He had a sense of the apocalypse.

390
00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:06,580
The Cthulhu mythos. Creatures imitating men.

391
00:20:06,663 --> 00:20:10,292
And monsters that are
just beyond our grasp

392
00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:12,586
are waiting for a portal to come in.

393
00:20:12,669 --> 00:20:17,925
<i>All those horrible, slimy things</i>
<i>trying to get back in.</i>

394
00:20:18,008 --> 00:20:20,761
Michael De Luca and John
wound up working together a lot

395
00:20:20,844 --> 00:20:25,682
on the script and beating it
into a more Lovecraftian story.

396
00:20:25,766 --> 00:20:27,809
Something he could really sink
his teeth into.

397
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:30,229
<i>Do you want some, too, buddy?</i>

398
00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:36,068
John has a habit of asking
people to look in the mirror.

399
00:20:36,151 --> 00:20:37,361
Look at themselves.

400
00:20:37,402 --> 00:20:39,571
<i>We are battling in a Sutter Cane story.</i>

401
00:20:39,655 --> 00:20:41,198
<i>This is not reality.</i>

402
00:20:41,281 --> 00:20:43,492
<i>Reality is not what it used to be.</i>

403
00:20:43,575 --> 00:20:47,246
Sam Neill, who I'd worked with
on the <i>Invisible Man</i> movie,

404
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:48,413
was my star.

405
00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,416
And Julie Carmen and Jürgen Prochnow.

406
00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,044
I loved working with them. Loved it.

407
00:20:54,127 --> 00:20:55,837
<i>…He the guy that writes that horror crap?</i>

408
00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,756
<i>Maybe he's too sophisticated for you.</i>

409
00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:01,176
Sutter Cane happens to be
this century's most-widely-read author.

410
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:03,470
Over my shoulder here is Mrs. Pickman.

411
00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:09,601
Frances Bay. She's an amazing actress.

412
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:11,478
<i>You look as if you've been up all night.</i>

413
00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:14,231
<i>Been reading.</i>

414
00:21:14,314 --> 00:21:19,069
When the stars align and I'm given

415
00:21:19,152 --> 00:21:22,531
the extraordinary gift of a project like

416
00:21:22,614 --> 00:21:26,952
<i>In the Mouth of Madness,</i>
it is such a peak experience.

417
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:31,790
When someone who's as thought-provoking

418
00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:34,084
as John Carpenter
and Sandy King Carpenter,

419
00:21:34,167 --> 00:21:36,670
when they make a film,
you can self-reflect

420
00:21:36,753 --> 00:21:40,757
on so many things in your own
dream life and unconscious.

421
00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,843
<i>Today is Mommy's day.</i>

422
00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:46,847
I remember John saying to me
and to the people around

423
00:21:46,930 --> 00:21:51,893
who were the monster makers that
with monsters, you just show a flash.

424
00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:55,981
So it goes into the psyche,
but you're not even sure what that was.

425
00:21:56,064 --> 00:22:00,902
When Jürgen Prochnow pushes my eyes
into the manuscript,

426
00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:02,821
it's like a drop acid.

427
00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:04,364
My mind is blown.

428
00:22:08,452 --> 00:22:11,913
We succeeded at doing things

429
00:22:11,955 --> 00:22:16,251
out of nightmare sequences
you could really have.

430
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:20,213
The contortionist Julie Carmen
out of the car.

431
00:22:23,967 --> 00:22:26,178
The insane asylum pieces.

432
00:22:29,056 --> 00:22:32,601
One of my favorite points
is when Sam Neill gets chased

433
00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:37,314
down the hallway by the 18-foot-wide
wall of monsters.

434
00:22:37,397 --> 00:22:40,942
To me, that really comes together
as a great nightmare piece.

435
00:22:43,987 --> 00:22:46,740
A lot of times, I don't know
what a movie is about

436
00:22:46,823 --> 00:22:49,034
until I see it
and all the pieces are together.

437
00:22:49,117 --> 00:22:50,786
A lot changes in the editing.

438
00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:55,374
It felt like we were documenting
the effect of anarchy

439
00:22:55,457 --> 00:22:58,585
on civilization and the aftermath.

440
00:22:58,668 --> 00:23:01,254
<i>- If for any reason you are one of us</i>

441
00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:04,174
<i>who hasn't become infected,</i>
<i>take shelter immediately.</i>

442
00:23:04,257 --> 00:23:06,635
I loved how it turned out.
I think it was pretty good.

443
00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,179
<i>- Not reality! Reality--</i>

444
00:23:09,262 --> 00:23:12,891
Such an existential,
nihilistic thunderclap.

445
00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:15,102
It's haunted me ever since I've seen it.

446
00:23:15,143 --> 00:23:19,147
<i>In 10 years, human race</i>
<i>will just be a bedtime story</i>

447
00:23:19,189 --> 00:23:20,357
<i>for their children.</i>

448
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,026
<i>A myth. Nothing more.</i>

449
00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:37,999
<i>Evil Dead </i>was a cornerstone
for many horror fans around the world.

450
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:42,504
And I had the absolute privilege
of working with Sam Raimi

451
00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:43,505
on <i>The Grudge</i>.

452
00:23:43,588 --> 00:23:46,967
Sam Raimi inspired a whole
generation of filmmakers

453
00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:50,345
to take glee in the absolute fun in gore.

454
00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:54,349
And <i>Bloody Muscle Bodybuilder in Hell</i>
is a clear, shining example.

455
00:23:57,060 --> 00:24:00,689
Shinichi Fukazawa,
he wore his Sam Raimi love

456
00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:02,149
very, very openly.

457
00:24:02,232 --> 00:24:04,025
This is the Japanese <i>Evil Dead</i>.

458
00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:06,570
He's the writer, the director, the star.

459
00:24:06,653 --> 00:24:08,822
And it is his tribute album.

460
00:24:11,741 --> 00:24:16,121
<i>Bloody Muscle Bodybuilder in Hell</i>
is about a bodybuilder and his girlfriend.

461
00:24:22,043 --> 00:24:24,921
They find themselves trapped
in his father's house,

462
00:24:25,005 --> 00:24:27,257
pursued by a vengeful spirit.

463
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:32,596
So as not to risk you missing the point,

464
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:35,515
the main character's dressed
like Ash, and he recycles

465
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,601
some of Ash's dialogue.

466
00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:40,770
And true to the spirit
of Sam Raimi, this is a man

467
00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,064
who had almost no money
with which to work.

468
00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:45,233
And he's ending up with
something that's running

469
00:24:45,317 --> 00:24:47,068
just barely over an hour.

470
00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:50,655
But every single penny is on the screen.

471
00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:58,246
He is putting all of that
into practical effects

472
00:24:58,330 --> 00:24:59,789
and visual images.

473
00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:04,252
You see his love and his work ethic
throughout it.

474
00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:08,089
This filmmaker got a free location.

475
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:10,342
And in doing so, he shot the film

476
00:25:10,425 --> 00:25:15,180
in that location with friends and favors
and his acting class buddy.

477
00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:17,474
And when they got home, they realized that

478
00:25:17,557 --> 00:25:19,559
they couldn't use about 80%
of the footage.

479
00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:22,229
Instead of taking the L
and taking the loss,

480
00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:24,689
he went back
and started refilming the movie

481
00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:26,566
over and over in little pieces.

482
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:31,279
And it started shooting in 1995
and it didn't complete until 2012.

483
00:25:37,118 --> 00:25:41,790
The ethos of the do-it-yourself,
get-it-done mentality

484
00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:43,083
was so important.

485
00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:45,001
You see the personality of the filmmaker

486
00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:46,795
and that's part
of what you fall in love with.

487
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:50,298
- This is a filmmaker that did not stop
until his film was done.

488
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:53,552
And that is what the spirit
of independent filmmaking is.

489
00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:56,179
<i>See you in hell, baby.</i>

490
00:26:05,272 --> 00:26:07,774
<i>- Tales from the Hood.</i>

491
00:26:07,857 --> 00:26:09,734
<i>Tales from the Hood</i>
is really an interesting film,

492
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,238
because it is a response
to the racial strife

493
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:14,864
from the earlier parts of the decade.

494
00:26:14,948 --> 00:26:16,741
<i>I've got nothing against good cops,</i>

495
00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:19,619
<i>but I will see lowlife scum like you</i>
<i>run out of the department.</i>

496
00:26:19,703 --> 00:26:21,246
<i>You shut the fuck up, cock.</i>

497
00:26:21,329 --> 00:26:25,584
A kind of broad-stroke allegory
about race relations in America

498
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:30,171
put in a kind of an EC Comics context
that is just like a spoonful of medicine.

499
00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:39,723
<i>Tales from the Hood</i>
is an anthology horror film

500
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:43,768
that reflects what I thought was
scary in the black community

501
00:26:43,852 --> 00:26:45,478
in the '90s when we made it.

502
00:26:45,562 --> 00:26:48,106
<i>Shit, man, that place does look</i>
<i>evil as hell.</i>

503
00:26:48,189 --> 00:26:50,108
<i>- Man, both of y'all need</i>
<i>to shut the fuck up.</i>

504
00:26:50,191 --> 00:26:52,736
<i>Dead people ain't who y'all need</i>
<i>to be worried about anyway.</i>

505
00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:55,238
It's not the dead that
you have to worry about.

506
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:56,948
It's the people around you.

507
00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:00,952
<i>-Oh dang!</i>
<i>-Psych fuck!</i>

508
00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:03,246
<i>I've been waiting for you boys.</i>

509
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,665
Clarence Williams III,
who was our mortician

510
00:27:05,749 --> 00:27:08,418
in <i>Tales from the Hood</i>
when I was growing up,

511
00:27:08,501 --> 00:27:10,629
I knew him as Linc from <i>Mod Squad</i>.

512
00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:14,007
And working with him was
a highlight of my career.

513
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:15,175
<i>Where's the shit?</i>

514
00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:20,388
<i>You'll get the shit.</i>
<i>You'll be knee-deep in the shit.</i>

515
00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,183
There's a wraparound story
that kind of carries us through

516
00:27:23,266 --> 00:27:26,227
four other stories about some kids
who are coming

517
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:29,481
to a funeral home to pick up some drugs.

518
00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:33,777
And we see stories about people
who have left our plane.

519
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:38,782
<i>Death, it comes in many strange packages.</i>

520
00:27:38,865 --> 00:27:40,075
How you deal with cops.

521
00:27:40,158 --> 00:27:42,702
<i>You'll lose your badges over this.</i>
<i>You had no reason to pull me over.</i>

522
00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:46,331
How you deal with someone attacking you
within your own race.

523
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:48,833
<i>Where you want me</i>
<i>to shoot your ass, motherfucker?</i>

524
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:51,002
How you deal with domestic violence

525
00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:53,880
that could be happening in your house
or next door.

526
00:27:53,963 --> 00:27:56,174
<i>Teach you and that boy some respect.</i>

527
00:27:58,093 --> 00:28:00,428
And how you deal with your
political environment.

528
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,847
What you believe
and what you allow yourself

529
00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:04,516
to be manipulated to believe.

530
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,267
<i>Listen, by the time I finish with you,</i>

531
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:08,728
<i>you might even get</i>
<i>a few black votes in the till.</i>

532
00:28:08,812 --> 00:28:12,065
<i>Well, the start would be just getting</i>
<i>the bastards off my front lawn.</i>

533
00:28:12,148 --> 00:28:15,735
This character, this racist politician,
as an actor you say,

534
00:28:15,819 --> 00:28:19,114
"Can I do that and try
to put some humanity into him?"

535
00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:21,658
Not make him right,
but just make him human.

536
00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:25,412
<i>You think you and some old voodoo bitch</i>
<i>could scare me out of my house.</i>

537
00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:27,080
<i>I don't care how many slaves died…</i>

538
00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:31,418
This is on a set where everybody
is black, except for me.

539
00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:33,211
And I'm doing this racist rant.

540
00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:37,048
<i>I'll kill you all, you--</i>
<i>you little nigglin's.</i>

541
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:39,384
It was intimidating,
but it was also very freeing,

542
00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:42,887
because I could just be this
thing in front of these people.

543
00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:44,139
So it's a little dangerous.

544
00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:46,307
I think I did it after and say,
"Hey man, that's just--

545
00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:47,350
everybody, love you.

546
00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:49,644
This is not me. I hope you liked that.

547
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,230
And I hope you probably went
like, 'Ooh man, that's real.'

548
00:28:52,313 --> 00:28:53,898
You know, like, but that is not me."

549
00:28:56,192 --> 00:28:59,779
For us, the horror was always human.

550
00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:02,157
<i>You little motherfucker.</i>

551
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,701
<i>You like to draw fucked-up</i>
<i>pictures of people, huh?</i>

552
00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:09,372
And the monster or the supernatural
or the paranormal was always redemptive.

553
00:29:09,456 --> 00:29:13,251
So we were killing the things
that we hated for the most part.

554
00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:14,753
It was a way of getting back.

555
00:29:16,838 --> 00:29:20,467
I think there is a delightful
natural reckoning to all things

556
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:21,468
at the end of the day.

557
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:24,929
<i>Welcome to my world.</i>

558
00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:26,473
- Here I am with these dolls.

559
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:28,308
They're just sitting there and moving.

560
00:29:28,391 --> 00:29:30,101
And I got to look around and act at 'em.

561
00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:31,728
And when I realize
they're coming after me,

562
00:29:31,811 --> 00:29:33,855
then it's like the whole world's on me.

563
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:40,528
It obviously looks so much better
on screen

564
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:44,365
than it does when I'm sitting here acting
to a little doll right there.

565
00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:49,454
What we tried to do is create
our evil villains

566
00:29:49,537 --> 00:29:52,707
to be as reprehensible as possible.

567
00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:55,877
Because some of the things that
we were dealing with are things

568
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,962
that you know in your real world.

569
00:29:58,046 --> 00:29:59,881
That catharsis becomes even bigger.

570
00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:01,508
<i>- What's wrong, Jerome?</i>

571
00:30:01,591 --> 00:30:04,052
<i>You don't like seeing</i>
<i>black people get killed?</i>

572
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:08,348
Studio executives, and this is
not all of them, but enough,

573
00:30:08,431 --> 00:30:09,724
want to be creative.

574
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,352
But they want to be creative
in your fucking shit.

575
00:30:12,435 --> 00:30:16,523
Spike Lee, who I met as an actor
during <i>School Daze</i>,

576
00:30:16,606 --> 00:30:18,525
became our executive producer on this.

577
00:30:18,566 --> 00:30:23,029
And you know, they would say,
"Hey, Rusty, you know, do this."

578
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:24,656
And I go, "Huh, I don't want to do that."

579
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:27,242
And I call Spike, "Hey, Spike,
they want me to do this."

580
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:28,409
Spike said, "What?"

581
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,495
And then Spike would call
the studio and say,

582
00:30:30,578 --> 00:30:32,080
"Yo, leave him alone."

583
00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:34,332
Actually, he would say,
"Leave him the fuck alone."

584
00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:35,625
And then they would leave me alone.

585
00:30:35,708 --> 00:30:39,003
Because he was a creative guy
in his own right.

586
00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,339
He just supported us,
so that we could do it.

587
00:30:41,422 --> 00:30:43,716
<i>I don't owe no responsibilities</i>
<i>for these motherfuckers.</i>

588
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,469
<i>But you are responsible</i>
<i>for the lives you've taken,</i>

589
00:30:46,553 --> 00:30:48,847
<i>for the dreams you've turned</i>
<i>into nightmares.</i>

590
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,267
I am one of those people
that believes that art can

591
00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:56,020
influence and educate,
and sometimes change minds.

592
00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,190
Every single human horror
in <i>Tales from the Hood</i>

593
00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:00,567
is still with us today.

594
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,986
<i>I don't think you can</i>
<i>rehabilitate those types.</i>

595
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,697
<i>Nah, you just kill them.</i>

596
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,490
<i>Who do you think</i>
<i>you fucking with, old man?</i>

597
00:31:07,574 --> 00:31:11,327
It just shows that humans are very flawed

598
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:16,624
as we see the same issues constantly
bubble up again and again,

599
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:17,625
you know, through time.

600
00:31:17,709 --> 00:31:21,379
<i>Welcome to hell!</i>

601
00:31:22,755 --> 00:31:24,549
<i>Motherfuckers.</i>

602
00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:34,767
<i>- Get out!</i>

603
00:31:34,851 --> 00:31:37,937
The '90s had a great amount
of serial killer films,

604
00:31:38,021 --> 00:31:39,397
which was very popular then.

605
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,398
Mine being one of them.

606
00:31:40,481 --> 00:31:42,066
<i>Are you following me?</i>

607
00:31:42,108 --> 00:31:43,526
<i>Oh, kind of.</i>

608
00:31:45,778 --> 00:31:49,824
<i>Skinner</i> is about a sociopathic
and psychopathic drifter,

609
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:54,621
who charms his way into
a modern day Los Angeles home.

610
00:31:54,704 --> 00:31:57,206
<i>Good morning.</i>
<i>How you doing, big guy?</i>

611
00:31:57,248 --> 00:31:58,249
<i>Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.</i>

612
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:02,003
Using it as a base
all the while he is terrorizing

613
00:32:02,086 --> 00:32:03,212
the community around him.

614
00:32:03,296 --> 00:32:04,547
<i>Hello, are you alright?</i>

615
00:32:05,632 --> 00:32:07,008
<i>Everything's just fine.</i>

616
00:32:08,676 --> 00:32:12,388
You have a person that
is living publicly among

617
00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:15,475
a group of people,
but in his own personal world

618
00:32:15,558 --> 00:32:17,477
he really is a true psychopath.

619
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,686
A murderous one at that.

620
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,855
<i>- Told you not to look</i>
<i>while I was getting dressed!</i>

621
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:23,733
<i>We're gonna have a talk, you bitch!</i>

622
00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:25,860
Paul Hart-Wilden wrote it.
English guy.

623
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:27,111
Very interesting guy.

624
00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:30,239
And I suppose it had,
of course, correlations

625
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:31,366
with <i>Silence of the Lambs</i>.

626
00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:32,992
You've got a guy that-- skinning people.

627
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,663
But then, of course, so does
Ed Gein and all of those guys.

628
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:38,498
They're all referencing,
all going back to that.

629
00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:40,083
Just total different ways.

630
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,669
When you're playing someone
who's as unhinged

631
00:32:42,752 --> 00:32:47,090
as that character Dennis Skinner,
you begin rather carefully.

632
00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:49,467
But like any character you do,
you get more comfortable

633
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:50,969
as the movie progresses.

634
00:32:51,052 --> 00:32:54,430
So you might as well go all the way,
because there's no going back.

635
00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:58,768
I reach down and I pulled
your face right off.

636
00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:02,897
I wasn't worried I was going
to start chopping the crew up.

637
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:06,776
But you do become much more comfortable
in that character's…

638
00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:08,861
…well, for lack of a better word, skin.

639
00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:10,738
<i>Yes, baby!</i>

640
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,865
<i>It couldn't be now!</i>

641
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:15,410
It was disturbing,
but it was made much easier

642
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:17,787
by the fact that my cast was great.

643
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:19,789
Especially, Traci Lords.

644
00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:24,752
<i>You've become so predictable</i>
<i>even after all this time.</i>

645
00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:27,255
<i>It's the beginning of the end, Skinner.</i>

646
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:29,924
She would come on set knowing
every one of her lines

647
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,051
and everybody else's lines in the scene.

648
00:33:32,135 --> 00:33:33,845
That is rare to begin with.

649
00:33:33,928 --> 00:33:36,180
Cheerful, positive attitude all day long.

650
00:33:36,264 --> 00:33:39,267
Had crap tons of prosthetics on.

651
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:41,102
It's horribly uncomfortable.

652
00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:44,272
She didn't complain once
for all the weeks we worked on that.

653
00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:48,026
It made me judge actors I worked
with after that based on her.

654
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:50,319
<i>This is what he did to me.</i>

655
00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:53,448
The money for that movie
came from some legitimate,

656
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:57,827
but also some very dubious sources,
which I don't even understand to this day.

657
00:33:57,910 --> 00:34:00,413
It had a very fast release
and then they yanked it

658
00:34:00,496 --> 00:34:02,206
from the theaters very quickly.

659
00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:05,334
I suspect some legal troubles,
some financial troubles.

660
00:34:05,418 --> 00:34:09,714
They gave a really lousy VHS print,
which was mediocre.

661
00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:12,467
The DVD print looked like
someone had just stuck

662
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:18,014
a Sony Handycam in front of the TV
when they ran a version of the videotape.

663
00:34:18,097 --> 00:34:19,640
I mean, it was really bad.

664
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,060
And then it was forgotten about,
which is fine.

665
00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:24,395
I just expected it.
I'd done horror films before.

666
00:34:24,479 --> 00:34:25,563
It's not the first time.

667
00:34:25,646 --> 00:34:29,817
Then Severin gave it this big,
glorious 4K release.

668
00:34:29,901 --> 00:34:34,238
And I was like, "What?"
You know, I couldn't believe it.

669
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,699
Now, whenever I'm at, you know,
horror conventions signing,

670
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:40,036
at least 15, 20 people come up
with you know, <i>Skinner </i>DVDs

671
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:43,581
and-- but I think the real
prized ones are the VHS copies,

672
00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:44,499
'cause those are very rare.

673
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:47,543
<i>Do you agree with me</i>
<i>that you and Jeff were talking</i>

674
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:49,378
<i>about me behind my back?</i>

675
00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:51,756
<i>-No!</i>
<i>-Don't fucking lie to me!</i>

676
00:34:57,887 --> 00:35:01,682
<i>- </i>Clive Barker's <i>Lord of Illusions</i>.

677
00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:04,560
<i>The Last Illusion</i> is a brilliant story.

678
00:35:04,644 --> 00:35:07,438
And Harry D'Amour is an amazing character.

679
00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:10,608
One of the few of Clive's
characters that he created,

680
00:35:10,691 --> 00:35:13,111
particularly in the <i>Books of Blood </i>
that I coveted.

681
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:15,404
I loved the idea of him being
this you know,

682
00:35:15,488 --> 00:35:18,950
mad New York paranormal
investigator who's doing it,

683
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,202
because he's driven
by his own demons rather than

684
00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:23,246
because he's interested in the subject.

685
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:26,874
<i>It's the darkness, D'Amour.</i>
<i>It's been waiting for you.</i>

686
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:30,419
<i>Lord of Illusions</i> is about
the detective genre

687
00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,505
colliding with the world of magic.

688
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:37,051
<i>Come with me into the great beyond.</i>

689
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,345
- I always found Clive Barker
very interesting.

690
00:35:39,428 --> 00:35:43,307
I had just got cast in another movie,
a big epic.

691
00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:46,769
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Paul Verhoeven
called, the <i>Crusades</i>.

692
00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:50,022
They started building the sets
and everything in Spain.

693
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:53,317
And that movie fell apart.
So I auditioned for Clive.

694
00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:57,947
And I found the role pretty interesting
of Philip Swan, the magician.

695
00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:02,034
<i>Have you seen this before?</i>

696
00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,412
Clive Barker, the thing
that surprised me most

697
00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:05,830
is he's very funny.

698
00:36:05,913 --> 00:36:08,332
Obviously, he's very smart,
very intelligent.

699
00:36:08,416 --> 00:36:10,459
Cared very much about what he was doing.

700
00:36:10,543 --> 00:36:13,462
And he was a very responsible
director, too.

701
00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,590
I worked with Scott Bakula previously

702
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:18,217
on Richard Rush's movie
the <i>Color of Night</i>,

703
00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:19,385
such a nice guy.

704
00:36:19,468 --> 00:36:21,721
One of those lead actors
that makes it easier

705
00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:22,972
for everybody else.

706
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:31,898
Famke Janssen,
who I had worked with her on that

707
00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:33,941
and then I worked with her again
on <i>Deep Rising</i>.

708
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:36,360
We became friends, her husband and I.

709
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,613
So that was a very friendly atmosphere.

710
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:41,240
<i>Nix ran some kind of a cult, right?</i>

711
00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:42,575
<i>A Charlie Manson deal?</i>

712
00:36:42,658 --> 00:36:46,329
<i>He could get into people's heads,</i>
<i>make them see things, terrible things.</i>

713
00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:48,998
When it came to the cult elements
of the movie,

714
00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:52,418
Nix was obviously this big presence,
evil presence.

715
00:36:52,501 --> 00:36:57,173
<i>Fire said to me, "You are my instrument.</i>

716
00:36:57,256 --> 00:37:00,218
<i>You shall be known as the Puritan."</i>

717
00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:03,262
Working with Daniel von Bargen,
playing Nix on the movie,

718
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:04,513
I really liked Daniel.

719
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:07,558
Sort of interesting casting,
serious actor.

720
00:37:07,642 --> 00:37:09,727
Later when I would see him on <i>Seinfeld</i>…

721
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,312
<i>-George. Check it out.</i>
<i>-Yeah.</i>

722
00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:15,149
<i>Three times around, no feet.</i>
<i>Hmm?</i>

723
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,110
It's so funny, I can't get
the character of Nix

724
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,654
out of my mind when I watch that.

725
00:37:19,737 --> 00:37:23,908
I've come back to bring you
the wisdom of the grave.

726
00:37:23,991 --> 00:37:26,827
The horror elements of the film,
putting the mask on Nix

727
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:30,998
was such a throwback to the <i>Black Sunday</i>
with Barbara Steele.

728
00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:34,585
Clive was directing <i>Lord of Illusions</i>

729
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,630
at the same time
that he was executive producing

730
00:37:37,713 --> 00:37:40,132
<i>Bloodline </i>and <i>Candyman 2.</i>

731
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:42,468
We were on a night shoot on <i>Bloodline</i>.

732
00:37:42,551 --> 00:37:46,138
And Gary Tunnicliffe, who was
my special effects makeup artist

733
00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:50,476
on <i>Bloodline</i>, who was also doing
work on <i>Lord of Illusions</i>,

734
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,771
said to me he had to go
and deliver a mandrill…

735
00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:56,941
to the set of <i>Lord of Illusions</i>.

736
00:37:58,484 --> 00:37:59,777
Did I want to go with him?

737
00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:01,737
If I had been the first AD…

738
00:38:03,072 --> 00:38:05,616
…on <i>Bloodline</i>,
I would never have let me go

739
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,536
driving off into Los Angeles
in the middle of the night

740
00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:11,038
in Pinhead makeup, but gave permission.

741
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:14,917
So Gary and me, and the mandrill
climbed into a car

742
00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,877
and we drove across Los Angeles.

743
00:38:16,961 --> 00:38:22,758
I don't think Clive was too impressed,
because I brought filming to a standstill.

744
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,637
It was worth it to see Clive's face
when Pinhead

745
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:29,223
suddenly walked onto the set
of <i>Lord of Illusions</i>.

746
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,309
I think we were all afraid of the baboon.

747
00:38:31,392 --> 00:38:33,728
I remember the young actress,
the mother came up to me

748
00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:34,854
and said something like,

749
00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:38,357
"Uh, do you think my daughter is um,
is she showing fear enough?

750
00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:40,651
Is she afraid?
Do-- do you really read that?"

751
00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:45,364
And I'm like, "There is a drooling,
angry baboon in front of a 9-year-old.

752
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:46,699
Yeah, I think it's working."

753
00:38:49,118 --> 00:38:50,369
<i>I think he's in love.</i>

754
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:54,498
When I am levitating the car,
part of the gas line broke in the car.

755
00:38:54,582 --> 00:38:57,626
So I was you know, acting,
breathing this in,

756
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,212
and I was you know, very dizzy
all of a sudden.

757
00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,298
And then there was a paramedic next to me.

758
00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:05,760
But then I used that in the film,
little actor things

759
00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:07,511
for myself that helped.

760
00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:08,596
<i>You need me alive.</i>

761
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,432
<i>Why? So you can fuck the woman I love?</i>

762
00:39:11,515 --> 00:39:12,391
<i>Lord of Illusions.</i>

763
00:39:12,475 --> 00:39:15,561
I saw it at the premiere also
at the Chinese theater.

764
00:39:15,644 --> 00:39:17,063
I liked most of it.

765
00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:20,524
And then when I saw the director's cut,
I think that was even better.

766
00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,319
<i>He got into my head, showed me</i>
<i>what we really look like</i>

767
00:39:23,402 --> 00:39:24,904
<i>when the veneer's gone.</i>

768
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:26,614
<i>No illusions, just the truth.</i>

769
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:28,949
I think it fleshed out
the characters more,

770
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:33,329
and it helped the plot move along,
and it made much more sense to me.

771
00:39:33,412 --> 00:39:35,039
So I really preferred that one.

772
00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:36,874
<i>What the fuck are you?</i>

773
00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:39,752
<i>A man who wanted to be a god.</i>

774
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,887
<i>Seven.</i>

775
00:39:50,596 --> 00:39:53,724
To me, the two archetypal
'90s horror films

776
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:55,768
were <i>Seven </i>and <i>Scream</i>.

777
00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:57,770
And they were both
very different from each other,

778
00:39:57,853 --> 00:39:59,814
but they seemed to kind of lead
the vanguard

779
00:39:59,897 --> 00:40:01,774
of what was being done in horror
at that time.

780
00:40:01,857 --> 00:40:04,026
I feel like those two films,
which both landed somewhere

781
00:40:04,110 --> 00:40:06,946
in the middle of the decade,
started up the engine again

782
00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:10,408
and got horror more
in the driver's seat culturally.

783
00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:12,660
<i>Oh, fuck me.</i>

784
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:15,538
<i>Seven</i>, it felt like
it was starting to push horror

785
00:40:15,621 --> 00:40:19,458
into a deeper, darker place
than it had been in a long time.

786
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:23,129
Exploring the boundaries
of aberrant human behavior,

787
00:40:23,212 --> 00:40:27,049
and doing that through
the vehicle of procedural.

788
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,429
<i>He's alive!</i>
<i>That cocksucker's alive!</i>

789
00:40:31,512 --> 00:40:34,306
When I first read the script,
the prospective producers,

790
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:36,684
the guys that had it,
they were terrified of it.

791
00:40:36,767 --> 00:40:38,561
They just thought it was just too extreme.

792
00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:40,688
It was pitched to me as a low-budget film.

793
00:40:40,771 --> 00:40:42,857
I think they were gonna try
and make it for like 8 million.

794
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:44,275
And they said,
"Well, what about the movie?

795
00:40:44,358 --> 00:40:46,444
Don't you think it's bloody,
and gory, and-- and too much?"

796
00:40:46,527 --> 00:40:50,156
I said, "No." I-- I said-- I said,
"You want the audience to think

797
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,324
that they saw it, but they
didn't actually see it."

798
00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:55,619
Each of the crime scenes
was a work of art.

799
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:59,039
<i>Call for help and you'll live,</i>
<i>but you'll be disfigured.</i>

800
00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:01,834
<i>Or you can put yourself out</i>
<i>of your own misery.</i>

801
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,879
Next day, my agent said I talked
my way out of a job.

802
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:06,297
I said, "What do you mean
I talked my way out?"

803
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:08,340
She said, "Ernest, before you walked
in there, they were getting ready

804
00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,177
to just toss the script
in the garbage can.

805
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:13,053
You told them how to make the movie."

806
00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,473
They said, "Well, that's how
we should make the movie.

807
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:17,224
We can get an A-list director."

808
00:41:17,308 --> 00:41:20,853
And so I went to this guy
that had directed <i>Alien 3</i>.

809
00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:21,812
It was David Fincher.

810
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:25,107
<i>There are seven deadly sins, Captain.</i>
<i>You can expect five more of these.</i>

811
00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:27,735
- You're dealing
with the seven deadly sins,

812
00:41:27,818 --> 00:41:31,906
and each one is just a little bit more
effed up than the last.

813
00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:36,368
You're dealing with a serial killer,
so it's not paranormal.

814
00:41:36,452 --> 00:41:37,870
It's, this shit could happen.

815
00:41:37,953 --> 00:41:40,206
<i>The sins were used in medieval sermons.</i>

816
00:41:40,289 --> 00:41:42,625
<i>Sermons were about atonement for sin.</i>

817
00:41:42,708 --> 00:41:44,668
<i>These murders are like forced attrition.</i>

818
00:41:44,752 --> 00:41:46,754
- Morgan Freeman, Kevin Spacey,
and Brad Pitt.

819
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:51,300
Probably three of the greatest actors
to ever be in a ho-- a horror film.

820
00:41:51,383 --> 00:41:55,262
A cast that so elevates
what could have been

821
00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:58,057
your basic serial killer,
slasher kind of film

822
00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:00,518
and you know, put it into
the realm of the philosophical.

823
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:04,438
<i>What sick, ridiculous puppets we are,</i>
<i>and what a gross little stage we dance on,</i>

824
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,857
<i>not knowing that</i>
<i>we are not what was intended.</i>

825
00:42:06,941 --> 00:42:11,195
The killer was trying
to make a moral statement about

826
00:42:11,278 --> 00:42:14,740
how destroyed society was.

827
00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:17,993
We're all coming from moral high ground,

828
00:42:18,077 --> 00:42:21,872
judging people and making them
feel like absolute fucking shit,

829
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:24,542
when, if they turned that mirror
back around,

830
00:42:24,625 --> 00:42:26,544
they would see
they're just as guilty of it

831
00:42:26,627 --> 00:42:28,170
as everybody else around them.

832
00:42:28,254 --> 00:42:30,214
<i>Could you even try to say</i>
<i>these were innocent people</i>

833
00:42:30,297 --> 00:42:31,799
<i>and keep a straight face?</i>

834
00:42:31,882 --> 00:42:35,177
<i>We see a deadly sin on every</i>
<i>street corner. And we tolerate it.</i>

835
00:42:35,261 --> 00:42:38,514
Most people walk into the movie thinking
Brad Pitt's the star of the movie.

836
00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:40,432
The movie is Morgan Freeman's movie.

837
00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:43,936
It's about Morgan Freeman's character
reconnecting with his humanity.

838
00:42:44,019 --> 00:42:47,773
<i>If we catch John Doe, and he turns out</i>
<i>to be the devil, that might live up</i>

839
00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:50,568
<i>to our expectations,</i>
<i>but he's not the devil.</i>

840
00:42:50,651 --> 00:42:51,694
<i>He's just a man.</i>

841
00:42:51,777 --> 00:42:54,071
The whole atmosphere
of the film, which is like

842
00:42:54,154 --> 00:42:57,324
Dante's <i>Inferno</i>,
you're constantly going down,

843
00:42:57,408 --> 00:43:00,744
and it's dark, and it's raining
nearly all the time.

844
00:43:00,828 --> 00:43:04,790
It's probably one of the smartest scripts
ever written.

845
00:43:04,873 --> 00:43:07,876
<i>He made me do it.</i>
<i>He put that thing on me.</i>

846
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,504
<i>Then he told-- he told me to fuck her.</i>

847
00:43:10,588 --> 00:43:13,090
It was a puzzle.
It was a mystery.

848
00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:14,883
Kind of ripping out the underbelly

849
00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:18,512
of what happens in a city,
and showing the ugly side of it.

850
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,556
<i>Detective!</i>

851
00:43:22,766 --> 00:43:24,059
<i>You're looking for me.</i>

852
00:43:24,143 --> 00:43:27,688
Kevin Spacey's killer.
Unassuming. Nothing remarkable.

853
00:43:27,771 --> 00:43:30,357
He's thought ahead
of the moment that he's arrested

854
00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:33,193
and set up the final denouement
in the desert.

855
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:36,030
And then goes on to do
to take the gloves off,

856
00:43:36,113 --> 00:43:37,573
as far as the fallout of it goes.

857
00:43:37,656 --> 00:43:40,367
I mean, and the person you think
is the hero is not always going to win.

858
00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:42,119
<i>- I visited your home this morning.</i>

859
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:45,664
<i>I tried to play husband.</i>
<i>It didn't work out.</i>

860
00:43:45,748 --> 00:43:46,832
"What's in the box?"

861
00:43:46,915 --> 00:43:48,208
<i>What's in the box?</i>

862
00:43:48,292 --> 00:43:50,419
<i>-Not till you give me the gun.</i>
<i>-What's in the fucking box?</i>

863
00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:52,463
- It's just disturbing.

864
00:43:52,546 --> 00:43:54,715
The studios really didn't know
what they had.

865
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:56,842
You know, I remember talking
to someone at New Line,

866
00:43:56,884 --> 00:43:59,928
and they were so ready to pull
the advertising budget on <i>Seven</i>,

867
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:01,555
'cause they just didn't think
it was gonna work.

868
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,850
It hadn't tested particularly well,
'cause it was dark.

869
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,769
And they didn't know that
people were gonna engage

870
00:44:06,852 --> 00:44:08,020
with that kind of darkness.

871
00:44:08,103 --> 00:44:12,066
<i>Wanting people to listen,</i>
<i>you have to hit them with a sledgehammer.</i>

872
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:14,276
<i>And then you'll notice</i>
<i>you've got their strict attention.</i>

873
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,655
It, in itself, created a genre.

874
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:21,241
It suddenly gave an aesthetic that
nobody had ever really given credit to.

875
00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:23,744
- There were endless <i>Seven</i> imitators
after that movie came out,

876
00:44:23,827 --> 00:44:26,830
just like there were endless imitators
of <i>Scream</i> after that movie came out.

877
00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:29,958
This is a movie with much more
on its mind than tracking

878
00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:32,586
a serial killer who kills
in really cool ways.

879
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,381
This is about how did we lose
our humanity,

880
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,549
and how do we get to reconnect
with it again

881
00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:39,510
in the midst of all these horrors?

882
00:44:39,593 --> 00:44:44,682
And ultimately, the best horror movies
always celebrate that idea.

883
00:44:44,765 --> 00:44:46,934
<i>You know, this isn't gonna</i>
<i>have a happy ending.</i>

884
00:44:58,404 --> 00:45:02,491
Michael Myers came back and came back
with a vengeance in the '90s.

885
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:10,833
Michael Myers was particularly
haunting and occupied

886
00:45:10,916 --> 00:45:12,167
a special space in my brain,

887
00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:15,713
because I did see the original
<i>Halloween</i> on a VHS

888
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:17,506
that my brother had smuggled
into the house

889
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:19,508
when I was way too young to see it.

890
00:45:19,591 --> 00:45:22,302
And it really messed me up
in a great, wonderful way.

891
00:45:25,305 --> 00:45:27,516
There's something so unspeakable
about Michael Myers.

892
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,477
There's nothing that's going
to stop this monster,

893
00:45:30,561 --> 00:45:32,062
as Dr. Loomis called him.

894
00:45:35,899 --> 00:45:38,110
The <i>Halloween</i> franchise, I always thought

895
00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:42,823
there was no story left in that
whole deal after the first one.

896
00:45:42,906 --> 00:45:43,949
And boy, was I wrong.

897
00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:48,328
The audience wanted to see
this Michael Myers over and over again.

898
00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:53,542
Say what you will about
the <i>Halloween </i>franchise,

899
00:45:53,625 --> 00:45:55,836
they took some swings.

900
00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:57,963
<i>Halloween III:</i>
<i>Season of the Witch</i>, of course,

901
00:45:58,046 --> 00:45:59,214
is the biggest example.

902
00:45:59,298 --> 00:46:01,884
But <i>The Curse of Michael Myers</i>,
the fact that they took

903
00:46:01,967 --> 00:46:04,470
the storyline
and really followed it through

904
00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:06,805
this whole cult of thorn business…

905
00:46:06,889 --> 00:46:09,141
<i>The thorn symbol is actually</i>
<i>a constellation of stars</i>

906
00:46:09,224 --> 00:46:12,102
<i>that appears from time to time</i>
<i>on Halloween night.</i>

907
00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:13,687
<i>Whenever it appears, he appears.</i>

908
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:16,482
<i>- Halloween </i>was in a tricky spot
in the '90s.

909
00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:18,859
If it kept doing the same thing
again and again,

910
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,612
it would just be more of the same
and it would get boring.

911
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:24,948
So you have to respect the filmmakers
for taking a swing.

912
00:46:27,034 --> 00:46:30,329
<i>Curse of Michael Myers</i> brought back
a lot of familiar faces,

913
00:46:30,412 --> 00:46:32,164
including Donald Pleasence.

914
00:46:32,247 --> 00:46:34,291
<i>What makes you think he'll come back here?</i>

915
00:46:34,374 --> 00:46:36,502
<i>This house is sacred to him.</i>

916
00:46:36,585 --> 00:46:39,463
<i>He has all his memories here.</i>
<i>His rage!</i>

917
00:46:39,546 --> 00:46:42,090
And it also brought
a fresh face into the mix.

918
00:46:42,174 --> 00:46:43,926
But by the time it came out,

919
00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:46,887
it wasn't quite a fresh face to audiences.

920
00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:49,515
Paul Rudd made his big debut in <i>Clueless</i>,

921
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:52,601
but he had actually shot
<i>Curse of Michael Myers</i> before.

922
00:46:52,601 --> 00:46:55,062
<i>I was only 8 years old when I saw him...</i>

923
00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:58,732
<i>but I was one of the </i>
<i>lucky ones. I survived.</i>

924
00:46:58,732 --> 00:47:00,609
I thought it was really cool
how they revisited

925
00:47:00,692 --> 00:47:02,069
Tommy Doyle's character.

926
00:47:02,152 --> 00:47:06,448
Laurie Strode like babysat these two,
him being one of them.

927
00:47:06,532 --> 00:47:10,244
And the fact that it's his story,
I thought was kind of a unique twist.

928
00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:13,455
<i>Michael's work isn't done in Haddonfield.</i>

929
00:47:13,539 --> 00:47:16,959
<i>And soon, he'll come home to kill again.</i>

930
00:47:17,042 --> 00:47:21,505
- It was directed by Joe Chappelle,
a terrible example of studio meddling.

931
00:47:21,588 --> 00:47:23,590
It's a film that required lots of reshoots

932
00:47:23,674 --> 00:47:26,343
that were really tricky to do,
because unfortunately,

933
00:47:26,426 --> 00:47:28,887
lead actor Donald Pleasence had passed.

934
00:47:28,971 --> 00:47:31,557
If you think that Joe Chappelle's movie

935
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,059
with the whole Cult of Thorn
sounds bonkers,

936
00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:35,936
consider what might have been.

937
00:47:36,019 --> 00:47:38,814
It the Weinsteins had actually
asked their golden boy,

938
00:47:38,897 --> 00:47:40,774
Quentin Tarantino to write a script.

939
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:43,485
And what he came up with saw Michael Myers

940
00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:48,156
on a road trip with The Man
in Black driving down Route 66

941
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,658
slaughtering everyone in sight.

942
00:47:52,911 --> 00:47:54,955
Now when I say that
this film was meddled with,

943
00:47:55,038 --> 00:47:56,957
I mean it was really meddled with.

944
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,460
Now there is a producer's cut
in existence that I believe

945
00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:04,131
adds a good 45 minutes to more
and more cult business.

946
00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:05,507
It's out there for you to find.

947
00:48:05,591 --> 00:48:08,552
<i>Michael, your final sacrifice.</i>

948
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,978
<i>Terror has a new name.</i>

949
00:48:18,061 --> 00:48:21,481
<i>♪ Mr. Jack will steal your soul ♪</i>

950
00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:22,566
<i>Jack-O.</i>

951
00:48:22,649 --> 00:48:25,027
Growing up what got me
into horror was probably going

952
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,155
into a video store
and seeing all those VHS tapes

953
00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:32,784
that had crazy, gory covers
and that had wild titles

954
00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:37,080
and everything that had the word, evil
or demon or blood in it.

955
00:48:37,164 --> 00:48:38,498
And of course you would bring it home

956
00:48:38,582 --> 00:48:41,001
and you would watch it,
'cause you wanted to get scared

957
00:48:41,084 --> 00:48:44,379
and you did get scared as a kid,
especially for the low-budget movies,

958
00:48:44,463 --> 00:48:46,715
just renting and hiding it
from my parents.

959
00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:50,052
<i>- Mr. Jack will break your back.</i>

960
00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:53,513
<i>Cut off your head with a whack.</i>
<i>Whack!</i>

961
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,935
<i>Jack-O</i> is one of those films
that you could have sworn

962
00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:00,687
you've seen a million times
just because you saw

963
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:03,440
that VHS cover at the video store.

964
00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:04,942
Maybe you took him for granted,

965
00:49:05,025 --> 00:49:06,693
maybe you picked him up
and checked him out,

966
00:49:06,777 --> 00:49:08,946
but he was always there waiting for you.

967
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,994
<i>Jack-O</i>, directed
by Steve Latshaw is a classic,

968
00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:20,832
pumpkinhead rip-off
where an old warlock is reincarnated

969
00:49:20,916 --> 00:49:23,710
in modern times in the '90s.

970
00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:25,504
<i>No!</i>

971
00:49:25,587 --> 00:49:28,256
And now is out for revenge
for the ancestors

972
00:49:28,340 --> 00:49:30,592
who had banished him
and who had killed him.

973
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:33,595
<i>I am the last of the ones</i>
<i>who brought you into this world.</i>

974
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:35,597
<i>Now go back to hell.</i>

975
00:49:35,681 --> 00:49:37,724
This movie was produced by Fred Olen Ray,

976
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:40,394
Linnea Quigley is in it,
a Steve Latshaw regular.

977
00:49:40,477 --> 00:49:41,645
<i>Carolyn.</i>

978
00:49:41,728 --> 00:49:43,730
<i>How's my boyfriend?</i>

979
00:49:44,815 --> 00:49:47,401
<i>Ooh, you look so scary.</i>

980
00:49:47,484 --> 00:49:50,195
But also John Carradine
and Cameron Mitchell,

981
00:49:50,278 --> 00:49:51,738
some old Fred Olen Ray players.

982
00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,366
<i>Welcome to my asylum of horrors.</i>

983
00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:57,452
And Brinke Stevens also makes
a cameo in this movie.

984
00:49:57,536 --> 00:49:58,787
<i>- Nice costume, butthead.</i>

985
00:49:58,870 --> 00:50:00,789
<i>You're scaring my girlfriend,</i>
<i>now get the hell out of here.</i>

986
00:50:00,872 --> 00:50:03,959
He has a scythe, he's killing people in
the neighborhood, what more do you want?

987
00:50:07,004 --> 00:50:08,797
His eyes light up.

988
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:11,925
<i>A little big for trick-or-treating,</i>
<i>aren't you bucko?</i>

989
00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:16,555
You can enjoy the pumpkin head
in this movie as he's going

990
00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:18,890
and killing the entire neighborhood
on Halloween.

991
00:50:18,932 --> 00:50:20,434
<i>Trick or treat!</i>

992
00:50:28,316 --> 00:50:31,069
<i>- Vampire in Brooklyn.</i>

993
00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,740
<i>I would love to have you for dinner.</i>

994
00:50:34,823 --> 00:50:37,576
People get pigeonholed into
their genre, which happens,

995
00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:39,202
unfortunately, all the time.

996
00:50:39,286 --> 00:50:42,497
I know Wes had to use bargaining chips.

997
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:45,208
"Okay, I'll do this horror movie
so that I can do this movie

998
00:50:45,292 --> 00:50:46,752
that doesn't have horror in it."

999
00:50:46,835 --> 00:50:49,254
To make passion projects
and projects that people

1000
00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:50,797
don't think they're capable of making

1001
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:53,759
or that aren't going to be
commercially viable.

1002
00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:57,262
What's sad to me
is that after giving our world

1003
00:50:57,345 --> 00:51:01,933
so many amazing films that have
made you know, their money back,

1004
00:51:02,017 --> 00:51:04,936
they have to kind of create
these strange bargains

1005
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:07,439
to be able to do the movie
that they really have wanted

1006
00:51:07,522 --> 00:51:08,648
to do their whole lives

1007
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:12,527
when they've already proved themselves
10 times over to the industry.

1008
00:51:12,611 --> 00:51:14,237
It's a really hard business that way.

1009
00:51:14,321 --> 00:51:15,655
<i>Who the fuck are you?</i>

1010
00:51:15,739 --> 00:51:18,575
<i>I'm Maximillian.</i>
<i>A connoisseur of death, you might say.</i>

1011
00:51:18,658 --> 00:51:21,620
I was so fucking excited
for a <i>Vampire in Brooklyn</i> to come out.

1012
00:51:21,703 --> 00:51:24,498
I was like, "What?
It's Eddie Murphy as a fucking vampire!

1013
00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:26,333
What part of that don't you love?"

1014
00:51:31,546 --> 00:51:33,173
<i>Put a little heart into it.</i>

1015
00:51:33,256 --> 00:51:37,260
It's Wes Craven directing,
Angela Bassett as a fucking badass.

1016
00:51:37,344 --> 00:51:38,804
I thought it was funnier than hell.

1017
00:51:38,887 --> 00:51:41,431
<i>Drive the limo</i>
<i>and shut your fucking mouth.</i>

1018
00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:44,601
<i>Vampire in Brooklyn's</i> about
a ancient vampire

1019
00:51:44,684 --> 00:51:49,981
from the old world coming to Brooklyn,
to America in contemporary times.

1020
00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:52,317
<i>-I need you to help me find a woman.</i>
<i>-A woman?</i>

1021
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,487
<i>Oh, well, you came to the right spot, man.</i>
<i>I mean, Brooklyn's full of hoes.</i>

1022
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:57,030
<i>I'm not interested in your hoes.</i>

1023
00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:58,031
- Comedy-horror film.

1024
00:51:58,115 --> 00:52:01,701
It was a project that Eddie had written
with his brother, Charlie Murphy.

1025
00:52:01,785 --> 00:52:04,412
They had sought out Wes
to direct the film.

1026
00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:07,582
We shot almost entirely
on the lot at Paramount,

1027
00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:09,626
although we were in
and around LA a little bit.

1028
00:52:09,709 --> 00:52:12,295
And we shot down at the docks
for the opening of the film

1029
00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:15,549
with the boat smashing into
the harbor master's dock house.

1030
00:52:15,632 --> 00:52:18,593
<i>It was a wolf, goddammit,</i>
<i>son of a bitch turned into a man!</i>

1031
00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:20,011
<i>Did the flip-flop shit on me!</i>

1032
00:52:20,095 --> 00:52:22,514
Seeing Eddie Murphy lean into that.

1033
00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:26,184
Just watching him just mop
the floor with everybody.

1034
00:52:26,268 --> 00:52:28,019
Playing multiple characters,
because, you know,

1035
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:30,021
God forbid we give work to other people.

1036
00:52:30,105 --> 00:52:34,776
He was great as possessing the pastor
and making everyone say evil is good.

1037
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:36,945
<i>-Evil is good and ass is good.</i>
<i>-Uh-huh</i>

1038
00:52:37,028 --> 00:52:39,573
<i>And if you get you a piece</i>
<i>of evil ass, whoo!</i>

1039
00:52:39,656 --> 00:52:41,825
He was good as the white Italian thief.

1040
00:52:41,908 --> 00:52:44,286
<i>-Garlic bread, signore.</i>
<i>-Oh, the fucking garlic.</i>

1041
00:52:45,704 --> 00:52:48,623
<i>Next person to offer</i>
<i>the garlic product is gonna get</i>

1042
00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:49,791
<i>one in the ass, alright?</i>

1043
00:52:49,875 --> 00:52:53,211
There was a real kind of glint
in his eye where you could see

1044
00:52:53,295 --> 00:52:55,255
that he was really enjoying doing this.

1045
00:52:55,297 --> 00:52:57,424
<i>You ain't got to pull that</i>
<i>Blacula shit with me, alright?</i>

1046
00:52:57,507 --> 00:52:59,176
<i>If you're hungry, I'll run you down to KFC</i>

1047
00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:00,927
<i>down the street</i>
<i>and hit you up with a two-piece.</i>

1048
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:02,929
<i>I already had Italian.</i>

1049
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:04,848
Eddie was really cool to work with.
He's a trooper.

1050
00:53:04,931 --> 00:53:06,016
He loves to wear makeup,

1051
00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:09,019
so not problematic putting
makeup on at all.

1052
00:53:09,102 --> 00:53:10,520
What was a challenge on that?

1053
00:53:10,604 --> 00:53:14,065
Eddie Murphy, who normally would have like
Rick Baker doing the project.

1054
00:53:14,149 --> 00:53:17,068
Rick couldn't do this project,
because he wasn't gonna be

1055
00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:19,196
given the time to develop the makeups,

1056
00:53:19,279 --> 00:53:22,741
test the makeups,
rework the makeups if necessary.

1057
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:24,534
Most of the makeups are successful.

1058
00:53:24,618 --> 00:53:27,454
Not crazy about Guido, the Italian guy.

1059
00:53:27,537 --> 00:53:30,540
That was a makeup that totally
needed tested and reworked.

1060
00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:33,835
We probably had 8 weeks,
10 weeks if we were lucky

1061
00:53:33,919 --> 00:53:35,545
to build everything for the film.

1062
00:53:37,088 --> 00:53:39,216
My favorite things in the movie
are the makeups that we did

1063
00:53:39,299 --> 00:53:41,426
once he see was
in the second stage makeup,

1064
00:53:41,509 --> 00:53:43,511
where it really starts
to show his vampire look.

1065
00:53:43,595 --> 00:53:46,431
<i>Your turn, Rita.</i>
<i>Taste her and quench the hunger.</i>

1066
00:53:46,514 --> 00:53:49,351
- And then the final look
that particular vampire

1067
00:53:49,434 --> 00:53:50,685
I really thought was cool.

1068
00:53:52,062 --> 00:53:54,439
<i>Vampire in Brooklyn</i>,
for me it doesn't work tonally,

1069
00:53:54,522 --> 00:53:57,817
because it doesn't find the happy medium
between horror and comedy.

1070
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:00,904
It doesn't find its groove,
but there's some fun stuff in it

1071
00:54:00,987 --> 00:54:02,572
and there's some good performances.

1072
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:03,865
<i>Oh, you're not afraid.</i>

1073
00:54:07,953 --> 00:54:09,496
It was <i>Coming to America</i>,

1074
00:54:09,537 --> 00:54:11,331
but with a vampire in the middle of it.

1075
00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:13,667
I think people had they
known that going in,

1076
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:16,544
I think they would have enjoyed it more,
but I fucking loved it, man.

1077
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,421
To this day, I love that film.

1078
00:54:18,463 --> 00:54:20,632
<i>Still don't believe in vampires,</i>
<i>detective?</i>

1079
00:54:26,721 --> 00:54:29,349
<i>- If you thought it was over, think again.</i>

1080
00:54:30,475 --> 00:54:33,061
<i>Xtro: Watch the Skies.</i>

1081
00:54:33,144 --> 00:54:36,731
Xtro, when it came out on video
and in those days,

1082
00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:39,818
it was good old VHS, it grew legs

1083
00:54:39,901 --> 00:54:43,613
and it just ran off
and did very, very well indeed.

1084
00:54:45,824 --> 00:54:50,412
I needed a job on the second one,
which I'm not happy with at all.

1085
00:54:51,997 --> 00:54:53,290
It was unfortunate.

1086
00:54:54,416 --> 00:54:55,542
<i>-What the fuck is that?</i>
<i>-Shh, let's go!</i>

1087
00:54:55,625 --> 00:55:01,298
The third one of these, I wanted an excuse
to make a film in Los Angeles.

1088
00:55:01,381 --> 00:55:04,426
Daryl Haney put together
this script from after,

1089
00:55:04,509 --> 00:55:07,345
you know, various drafts
and various firings

1090
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:11,266
about this island
where this alien had been secreted

1091
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:14,311
and closed up in a concrete
kind of sarcophagus.

1092
00:55:14,394 --> 00:55:16,438
These marines go there and discover it.

1093
00:55:16,521 --> 00:55:19,024
And it gets out and all sorts
of dreadful things happen.

1094
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:24,487
This alien is essentially
tracking us, hunting us down.

1095
00:55:24,571 --> 00:55:26,531
He doesn't want us
on the island, doesn't want us

1096
00:55:26,614 --> 00:55:27,782
to find out what's going on.

1097
00:55:30,744 --> 00:55:33,038
I was thrilled to do that.
I'm a water sign.

1098
00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:35,623
And when I found out
we were gonna be in a boat

1099
00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:38,001
and we were gonna be on one
of the Channel Islands,

1100
00:55:38,084 --> 00:55:39,419
I was in seventh heaven, man.

1101
00:55:39,502 --> 00:55:42,589
<i>If you should come across</i>
<i>any documents or uh,</i>

1102
00:55:42,672 --> 00:55:46,926
let's just say any remnants of the camp,
<i>you ought to bring them directly to me.</i>

1103
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:50,138
I love playing the antagonist.
I absolutely love it.

1104
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:52,682
I've played two good guys in my career.

1105
00:55:52,766 --> 00:55:54,225
Never been so bored in my life.

1106
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:55,602
<i>Shoot to kill?</i>

1107
00:55:55,685 --> 00:55:57,812
<i>That's an order, Friedman!</i>
<i>Shoot to kill!</i>

1108
00:55:57,896 --> 00:56:00,231
- Harry is quite a character.
It was quite a trip.

1109
00:56:00,315 --> 00:56:04,819
He would insist on getting his shot
and was adamant about it, and rightly so.

1110
00:56:09,074 --> 00:56:10,575
I was absolutely in control.

1111
00:56:10,658 --> 00:56:13,870
So that anything that's wrong
with that film is my fault.

1112
00:56:13,953 --> 00:56:16,206
And there's plenty of stuff
wrong with it, you know,

1113
00:56:16,289 --> 00:56:17,457
plenty of stuff wrong.

1114
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:20,752
I think that's where I really
did feel the budget cramping us.

1115
00:56:20,835 --> 00:56:22,670
There are silly things that happen, like

1116
00:56:22,754 --> 00:56:25,632
they're in this boat
going across to this island

1117
00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:29,386
and you quite clearly see this jeep,
right, sitting on the boat.

1118
00:56:29,469 --> 00:56:32,555
And then they get on the island
and suddenly the jeep is there.

1119
00:56:32,597 --> 00:56:35,683
And they've been swimming to the island
on little rowboats and things like that.

1120
00:56:35,767 --> 00:56:38,937
People always ask, "How did the jeep
get onto the island?", you know?

1121
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:40,855
"Well, it's movie magic, you see."

1122
00:56:40,939 --> 00:56:42,857
The specials on that and how that sort

1123
00:56:42,941 --> 00:56:46,236
of mirror-mirage thing happening
in the movie,

1124
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,029
I thought that was really spectacular.

1125
00:56:49,447 --> 00:56:50,949
The alien in <i>Xtro</i>.

1126
00:56:51,032 --> 00:56:52,117
We all feel for it.

1127
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,203
You could take it to all
the horrors we have visited upon

1128
00:56:55,286 --> 00:56:57,247
our fellow humans, be it in camps

1129
00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:00,125
where we imprisoned people
that we were afraid of.

1130
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:03,753
I just wish it were better.

1131
00:57:03,837 --> 00:57:06,589
But it was our film, you know,
and we did our best.

1132
00:57:06,673 --> 00:57:08,466
For some reason, I find it rather bitty.

1133
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:09,759
I should have been tougher.

1134
00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:15,682
- I have a spot in my heart for <i>Xtro</i>
and for Harry.

1135
00:57:15,765 --> 00:57:17,934
We say they're little movies.
No movie is little.

1136
00:57:18,017 --> 00:57:21,104
We understand how difficult
it is to have a movie made.

1137
00:57:21,187 --> 00:57:25,024
Having been made so long ago
that it still has legs,

1138
00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:27,026
so to speak, is a beautiful thing.

1139
00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:28,903
<i>I know what I'd like to believe.</i>

1140
00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,448
<i>That there might be hope yet</i>
<i>for the human race.</i>

1141
00:57:39,122 --> 00:57:42,542
<i>- Stuart Gordon's Castle Freak.</i>

1142
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:44,836
Another film that was shot
at Charlie Band's castle

1143
00:57:44,919 --> 00:57:48,506
in the heyday of <i>Full Moon</i>
was Stuart Gordon's <i>Castle Freak</i>.

1144
00:57:48,590 --> 00:57:49,841
<i>Anybody there?</i>

1145
00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:54,637
- Stuart was like the top director
in that bunch of us

1146
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:56,264
who were directing for Charlie.

1147
00:57:56,347 --> 00:58:00,518
Charlie really exploited Stuart
to make more and more movies.

1148
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,191
<i>Castle Freak</i>, we're talking
about a third movie shot

1149
00:58:06,274 --> 00:58:08,234
at the castle I owned for many years.

1150
00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:09,652
It started with a piece of artwork.

1151
00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:12,655
So much like <i>Dolls</i>,
when I had this creepy image of a doll,

1152
00:58:12,697 --> 00:58:14,032
the eyes being pulled out.

1153
00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:18,661
Many years later after Stuart
had made other pictures

1154
00:58:18,703 --> 00:58:19,746
and <i>Fortress</i>, I said,

1155
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:21,247
"Stuart, we gotta make a movie
at the castle.

1156
00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:22,248
Let's keep it simple.

1157
00:58:22,332 --> 00:58:23,875
We can do like we did
with <i>Pit and the Pendulum</i>,

1158
00:58:23,958 --> 00:58:25,919
but not, you know, a medieval epic.

1159
00:58:26,002 --> 00:58:28,880
We'll shoot it at the castle."
We'll design it around the castle.

1160
00:58:28,963 --> 00:58:30,798
He said, "Sounds good."
He said, "Do you have an idea?"

1161
00:58:30,882 --> 00:58:32,592
I said, "Not only do I have
an idea, I have a poster."

1162
00:58:32,675 --> 00:58:36,596
So I pulled out this poster
of this creature. <i>Castle Freak</i>!

1163
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,349
And he loved it. He goes, "Okay,
we gotta go make <i>Castle Freak</i>."

1164
00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:40,934
He said, "Do you have any ideas
of who should be in it?"

1165
00:58:41,017 --> 00:58:43,478
I said, "We gotta get Barbara Crampton
and Jeffrey Combs."

1166
00:58:43,561 --> 00:58:45,813
I mean, come on.
It'd be so cool to reunite them.

1167
00:58:45,897 --> 00:58:48,316
<i>Hello, ladies, I'm gonna start</i>
<i>making an inventory</i>

1168
00:58:48,399 --> 00:58:50,068
<i>of what we got here.</i>
<i>The booty.</i>

1169
00:58:50,151 --> 00:58:51,903
<i>You wanna tag along, Beck?</i>
<i>Get the lay of the land?</i>

1170
00:58:51,986 --> 00:58:55,406
The team of Barbara Crampton
and Jeffrey Combs together,

1171
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:56,616
they're both incredible.

1172
00:58:56,699 --> 00:58:59,911
And they all kind of shared
a unique vision

1173
00:58:59,994 --> 00:59:03,456
and were able to kind of bring out
the best of each other.

1174
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:04,582
<i>You brought a woman here!</i>

1175
00:59:04,666 --> 00:59:06,084
<i>I was lonely.</i>

1176
00:59:06,918 --> 00:59:08,169
<i>You were drunk!</i>

1177
00:59:08,253 --> 00:59:11,923
One of the things that makes
<i>Castle Freak</i> so disturbing

1178
00:59:12,006 --> 00:59:15,301
is the design of the freak himself.

1179
00:59:15,385 --> 00:59:20,431
He is so damn freaky that
even a hardcore horror fan

1180
00:59:20,515 --> 00:59:23,893
would have to kind of turn
their eyes away on occasion.

1181
00:59:28,565 --> 00:59:31,067
<i>Castle Freak</i> was definitely--
especially being there on set,

1182
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:34,487
and seeing the suit, and the poor guy
with his dick cut off, and thought,

1183
00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:36,239
"Oh my God, what are we doing?"

1184
00:59:39,617 --> 00:59:41,995
It's only about a handful
of these stories where someone

1185
00:59:42,078 --> 00:59:43,830
would come to me and go,
"We want to make a sequel",

1186
00:59:43,913 --> 00:59:47,000
or "We want to make a remake",
or "We want to", whatever it is,

1187
00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:48,501
"Can we license the rights?"

1188
00:59:48,585 --> 00:59:51,546
And in this case, it wasn't during a time
where we were starving for money,

1189
00:59:51,629 --> 00:59:53,464
but I love Barbara,
and we're still very close.

1190
00:59:53,548 --> 00:59:55,800
I thought, "Alright, well,
she's got in with some investors

1191
00:59:55,883 --> 00:59:59,095
and there's no reason why we can't make
another <i>Castle Freak</i>.

1192
00:59:59,178 --> 01:00:01,973
It can't hurt, you know, it just will
bring more attention to the franchise",

1193
01:00:02,056 --> 01:00:03,641
so she went off and made that.

1194
01:00:03,725 --> 01:00:06,728
This was the last movie, sadly,
that I made with Stuart Gordon,

1195
01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:08,354
but I'm really happy with the film.

1196
01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:13,192
META OR NOT, HERE WE COME

1197
01:00:13,276 --> 01:00:16,571
RETURN OF THE TEEN SLASHER
and META-FUELED HORROR

1198
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:19,616
Usually a movie is trying to ignore

1199
01:00:19,699 --> 01:00:21,909
and pretend everything
that happened before it

1200
01:00:21,993 --> 01:00:24,621
doesn't exist, and <i>Scream</i> said,

1201
01:00:24,662 --> 01:00:28,583
"Nope, let's all agree right now,
all of us have seen

1202
01:00:28,666 --> 01:00:30,835
all of these movies that brought us here."

1203
01:00:30,918 --> 01:00:33,671
We know that you stopped
screaming at the scares

1204
01:00:33,755 --> 01:00:35,089
and you started laughing.

1205
01:00:35,173 --> 01:00:37,175
We're gonna reinvent the slasher.

1206
01:00:37,258 --> 01:00:40,762
You're not safe from this movie
just because you know how slashers work.

1207
01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:43,348
Every character in this knows it, too.

1208
01:00:43,431 --> 01:00:46,893
The audience's knowledge of movies becomes

1209
01:00:46,976 --> 01:00:50,438
a key ingredient to the success
of that picture.

1210
01:00:50,521 --> 01:00:53,358
<i>- Name the killer in Halloween.</i>

1211
01:00:53,399 --> 01:00:55,818
<i>Michael. Michael Myers.</i>

1212
01:00:55,902 --> 01:00:58,029
<i>- Yes! Very good.</i>

1213
01:00:58,071 --> 01:01:01,532
<i>Scream </i>is probably
the generation-defining movie

1214
01:01:01,616 --> 01:01:03,117
of the '90s when it comes to horror.

1215
01:01:03,201 --> 01:01:05,703
And to all the major studios out there,

1216
01:01:05,787 --> 01:01:10,083
it showed us that horror
no longer is being shoved

1217
01:01:10,166 --> 01:01:12,293
into this corner of the remakes,
and the sequels,

1218
01:01:12,377 --> 01:01:13,628
and the straight-to-video.

1219
01:01:13,711 --> 01:01:16,005
It's a juggernaut at the box office again.

1220
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:18,800
<i>Ooh, you wanna play psycho killer?</i>

1221
01:01:18,883 --> 01:01:20,218
<i>Can I be the helpless victim?</i>

1222
01:01:20,301 --> 01:01:25,056
What Kevin Williamson did was
what is now referred to as, "meta",

1223
01:01:25,139 --> 01:01:29,519
and that is the commenting
on what is happening

1224
01:01:29,602 --> 01:01:32,522
as you're watching it by the person

1225
01:01:32,605 --> 01:01:36,109
that you're watching without them
breaking the fourth wall.

1226
01:01:36,192 --> 01:01:37,860
This is standard horror movie stuff.

1227
01:01:37,944 --> 01:01:39,195
<i>Prom Night</i> revisited, man.

1228
01:01:39,278 --> 01:01:43,116
The fact that we're so savvy
as horror-movie watchers,

1229
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,703
let's just now start
to investigate what that means.

1230
01:01:46,786 --> 01:01:48,079
Let's throw that out to the audience

1231
01:01:48,162 --> 01:01:51,958
and let them partake in this fun
that we're going to have

1232
01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:53,584
in trying to figure it out.

1233
01:01:57,588 --> 01:02:01,217
<i>- Scream</i> is not the first movie
to be a meta horror movie,

1234
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:04,303
but what <i>Scream</i> does
is it takes that concept

1235
01:02:04,387 --> 01:02:07,682
of meta filmmaking
and it breaks it wide open

1236
01:02:07,765 --> 01:02:09,058
in the mainstream.

1237
01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:11,394
Suddenly, that's what
everybody's talking about.

1238
01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:12,895
<i>- Never say, "Who's there?"</i>

1239
01:02:12,979 --> 01:02:15,648
<i>Don't you watch scary movies?</i>
<i>It's a death wish.</i>

1240
01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:17,316
<i>You might as well just come out here</i>
<i>to investigate</i>

1241
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,985
<i>a strange noise or something.</i>

1242
01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:21,028
<i>Scream</i>, of course, was
in some ways, I feel like,

1243
01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:23,239
riding on the coattails of <i>Pulp Fiction</i>.

1244
01:02:23,322 --> 01:02:25,992
It was like a very Gen X kind of horror,

1245
01:02:26,075 --> 01:02:28,244
kind of a meditation, really,
on the genre.

1246
01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:31,122
<i>Look, here comes the obligatory tit shot.</i>

1247
01:02:31,205 --> 01:02:35,877
Certainly, Tarantino's influence
in his non-horror genre movies,

1248
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,382
coupled with his own publicity
and interviews that he gave at the time,

1249
01:02:41,466 --> 01:02:46,220
built in this audience awareness,
this intertextuality.

1250
01:02:46,304 --> 01:02:48,723
<i>- Andy, have you got the ring?</i>
<i>- Why, certainly.</i>

1251
01:02:48,806 --> 01:02:51,684
Quentin Tarantino
is a fantastic example of the person

1252
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,021
who had absorbed so much film culture

1253
01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:58,024
through his experiences
as a video store clerk

1254
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:03,196
and his broad-ranging reach
of obscure genre films

1255
01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:06,866
to the classics of cinema,
so that when he starts making movies,

1256
01:03:06,949 --> 01:03:09,035
he's able to bring those references.

1257
01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:12,246
He's taking his love of film
and sharing it with the world

1258
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:15,917
through more films and creating
this kind of feedback loop,

1259
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,378
where people can fall in love with
Quentin Tarantino's films, then quote him.

1260
01:03:19,462 --> 01:03:21,464
<i>- You hear me talking, hillbilly boy?</i>

1261
01:03:21,547 --> 01:03:23,424
<i>I'ma get medieval on your ass.</i>

1262
01:03:23,508 --> 01:03:28,137
Kind of a conversation with the genre
and that just became, I think,

1263
01:03:28,221 --> 01:03:31,265
increasingly interesting to the audience.

1264
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:33,351
There was a story
in the LA Times about how

1265
01:03:33,434 --> 01:03:36,103
teenagers didn't go
to teen movies anymore,

1266
01:03:36,187 --> 01:03:39,732
and the teen genres
weren't working at all,

1267
01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:41,776
that teenagers were more likely
to go see movies

1268
01:03:41,859 --> 01:03:44,529
with Arnold Schwarzenegger
or Sylvester Stallone

1269
01:03:44,612 --> 01:03:46,364
than they were to see movies
about themselves.

1270
01:03:46,447 --> 01:03:48,157
<i>It isn't possible.</i>

1271
01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:49,575
<i>What's not possible?</i>

1272
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:50,785
<i>He's fantastic.</i>

1273
01:03:50,868 --> 01:03:52,495
<i>This is his best performance ever.</i>

1274
01:03:52,578 --> 01:03:54,914
<i>Scream</i> really changed the entire game.

1275
01:03:54,997 --> 01:04:00,002
It opened it up to a different audience
beyond perhaps the true horror fans,

1276
01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:02,463
because I think people
could hook into it more

1277
01:04:02,547 --> 01:04:05,800
when it was a little bit more meta
and a little bit more ironic.

1278
01:04:05,883 --> 01:04:07,927
<i>Movies are not responsible</i>
<i>for our actions.</i>

1279
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:10,596
<i>It's a classic case of life imitating art,</i>

1280
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,514
<i>-imitating life.</i>
<i>-This isn't--</i>

1281
01:04:11,597 --> 01:04:15,810
Suddenly, the floodgates
were opened for the horror genre

1282
01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:20,982
to embrace a new kind of intelligence.

1283
01:04:21,065 --> 01:04:22,859
<i>Well, it's a long story.</i>

1284
01:04:22,942 --> 01:04:25,027
<i>In fact, if it was a movie,</i>
<i>it would take three</i>

1285
01:04:25,111 --> 01:04:27,113
<i>or four sequels just to do it justice.</i>

1286
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:31,909
I mean, the '80s had John Hughes,
which was teen angst and mostly comedy.

1287
01:04:31,993 --> 01:04:35,371
And then in the '90s we had Kevin,
and he brought it to horror,

1288
01:04:35,454 --> 01:04:37,039
but he brought it across many things.

1289
01:04:37,123 --> 01:04:39,542
He also had you know, teen angst
with <i>Dawson's Creek</i>,

1290
01:04:39,625 --> 01:04:41,127
and I think he ruled the '90s.

1291
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:45,256
<i>I'm not putting that hack drug</i>
<i>up my nose. It's so '80s.</i>

1292
01:04:45,339 --> 01:04:47,425
<i>Aliens have taken</i>
<i>over the Earth. Weigh it.</i>

1293
01:04:47,508 --> 01:04:49,051
Kevin Williamson's so interesting,

1294
01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:52,722
because he went back
to the teen-driven horror

1295
01:04:52,805 --> 01:04:55,433
that he grew up on,
that he was inspired by.

1296
01:04:55,516 --> 01:04:58,811
<i>Scream </i>made a movie that brought
the teenagers back out again.

1297
01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:02,940
It was going to see
all these young, pretty faces

1298
01:05:03,024 --> 01:05:04,734
on a very slick-looking movie,

1299
01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:08,571
turning my friends who weren't
horror fans into horror fans.

1300
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:12,575
<i>"I know what you did last summer."</i>
<i>Ooh. What a crock of shit.</i>

1301
01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:16,370
A level of polish that allowed people
to feel okay about watching them.

1302
01:05:16,454 --> 01:05:18,247
You know, <i>The Burning</i> looks like
<i>The Burning</i>,

1303
01:05:18,331 --> 01:05:19,749
but <i>I Know What You Did Last Summer</i>,

1304
01:05:19,832 --> 01:05:23,419
like Jennifer Love Hewitt's just luminous.
This looks like the cover of a magazine.

1305
01:05:23,544 --> 01:05:26,672
This is acceptable entertainment
where sometimes a slasher from the '80s

1306
01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:28,841
might have looked like three clicks over
from a snuff film.

1307
01:05:32,053 --> 01:05:35,264
We can tell old slasher movies
again, 'cause remember,

1308
01:05:35,348 --> 01:05:37,934
when <i>Scream</i> came out,
slasher movies were dead.

1309
01:05:38,017 --> 01:05:40,019
The only slasher movies were thrillers.

1310
01:05:40,102 --> 01:05:42,480
That's how the mainstream
kind of viewed these movies.

1311
01:05:42,563 --> 01:05:45,733
And all of a sudden, "Wait,
these 1981-style slasher killers

1312
01:05:45,816 --> 01:05:46,651
are cool again?

1313
01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:48,194
Hell yeah, let's go."

1314
01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:52,823
It's also important to note
that these films

1315
01:05:52,907 --> 01:05:56,327
were such big-budget blockbusters
that A-listers

1316
01:05:56,410 --> 01:05:58,371
were just lining up to be part of them.

1317
01:06:00,498 --> 01:06:02,208
Everybody wanted to be in a horror movie.

1318
01:06:05,586 --> 01:06:07,922
You got like Bill Pullman in <i>Lake Placid</i>.

1319
01:06:08,005 --> 01:06:09,966
You got Sam Jackson in <i>Deep Blue Sea</i>.

1320
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:15,221
These talented people, you know,
who presumably have the option

1321
01:06:15,304 --> 01:06:19,183
to say no saw something in this,
so it must be worthwhile.

1322
01:06:21,727 --> 01:06:24,981
If you only sat down
and watched Dimension Films

1323
01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,650
from the '90s,
you would get an absolute taste

1324
01:06:27,733 --> 01:06:29,402
of what horror in the '90s felt like.

1325
01:06:32,279 --> 01:06:35,783
The Weinsteins of it aside, like
the Weinsteins were hated in the '90s.

1326
01:06:35,866 --> 01:06:39,161
They did a lot more than just
what you know them for

1327
01:06:39,245 --> 01:06:41,247
in the later years, uh, with MeToo.

1328
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:43,207
They were making very interesting pickups.

1329
01:06:43,290 --> 01:06:45,626
Studios are like,
"Horror's done, we're done,

1330
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,254
we don't need Michael Myers
anymore", and they went yoink.

1331
01:06:48,337 --> 01:06:50,339
They're like, "Hellraiser".
Yoink.

1332
01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:53,759
You'd see that Dimension logo
and you would get excited,

1333
01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:56,846
because that meant you were
gonna not just watch something

1334
01:06:56,929 --> 01:06:58,848
that was quality,
not just something that had

1335
01:06:58,931 --> 01:07:00,141
big name actors in it,

1336
01:07:00,224 --> 01:07:02,852
but something that was probably
gonna swing for the fences.

1337
01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:07,189
As an actor wanted to be a part
of Dimension Films,

1338
01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:09,734
you wanted to be in a movie.
"Dimension? I-- I gotta do it."

1339
01:07:09,817 --> 01:07:12,987
They wanted good actors
and people that got cred to lend

1340
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,906
to small budgets that could be
big-budget franchises,

1341
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:16,824
which is very smart.

1342
01:07:16,907 --> 01:07:19,201
Look at all the directors,
all the different people

1343
01:07:19,285 --> 01:07:20,661
that came out of Dimension.

1344
01:07:20,745 --> 01:07:22,955
The genre stuff also became
very respected.

1345
01:07:25,332 --> 01:07:28,252
I think sometimes too much
of a good thing…

1346
01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:30,629
Maybe that genre got
watered down for a moment.

1347
01:07:33,215 --> 01:07:36,427
If you eat peanut butter everyday,
you're gonna get sick of it eventually

1348
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,013
and you're not gonna eat
peanut butter for a year.

1349
01:07:39,096 --> 01:07:40,514
<i>- Baby, I just win!</i>

1350
01:07:42,975 --> 01:07:44,810
That tail ended up wagging the dog.

1351
01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:47,688
They became so self-referential
that they weren't having

1352
01:07:47,772 --> 01:07:50,900
the courage to kind of be
actually what they were.

1353
01:07:50,983 --> 01:07:54,445
I do think that when self-parody
kinda runs aground,

1354
01:07:54,528 --> 01:07:57,573
people will ask themselves,
like that scene at the beginning

1355
01:07:57,656 --> 01:07:59,492
of the <i>Twilight Zone</i>,
"What is really scary?"

1356
01:07:59,575 --> 01:08:01,243
<i>You wanna see something really scary?</i>

1357
01:08:01,327 --> 01:08:02,536
<i>Okay, go ahead.</i>

1358
01:08:04,371 --> 01:08:08,334
Quite a new way of actually
provoking and exploring

1359
01:08:08,417 --> 01:08:11,295
those really fundamental things
that the genre does

1360
01:08:11,378 --> 01:08:12,922
in ways we haven't seen before.

1361
01:08:13,005 --> 01:08:15,549
<i>Ah! Shit! Fuck.</i>

1362
01:08:15,591 --> 01:08:17,051
- There was just a hunger for that.

1363
01:08:17,134 --> 01:08:19,762
Back to kind of basics,
but the main kind of goal

1364
01:08:19,845 --> 01:08:22,223
was to scare the crap
outta the audience, you know?

1365
01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:24,058
And we hadn't seen that in a while.

1366
01:08:24,141 --> 01:08:26,310
<i>Blair Witch</i> kind of was
at the beginning, you know,

1367
01:08:26,393 --> 01:08:27,311
the cusp of that.

1368
01:08:27,394 --> 01:08:29,855
Like a month later, you know,
<i>The Sixth Sense</i> came out.

1369
01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:32,274
So there was this kind of pivot
at that time.

1370
01:08:32,358 --> 01:08:34,944
Finally, it seemed like
there was some movement

1371
01:08:35,027 --> 01:08:38,614
in horror away from the bubblegum
and more towards like,

1372
01:08:38,697 --> 01:08:40,783
"Okay, we're gonna scare
the crap outta you here."

1373
01:08:40,866 --> 01:08:42,576
But there was an appetite
for that, you know?

1374
01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:50,709
1996

1375
01:09:00,469 --> 01:09:02,721
<i>- From Dusk Till Dawn.</i>

1376
01:09:02,805 --> 01:09:04,515
<i>Dusk Till Dawn</i> is an amazing movie.

1377
01:09:04,598 --> 01:09:09,145
It is awesome. It's got sex.
It's got underworld vampires.

1378
01:09:09,228 --> 01:09:10,437
It's got some kitsch to it.

1379
01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:12,898
It's over the top, but it's scary.
It's cool.

1380
01:09:12,982 --> 01:09:14,150
<i>And what did I say to you?</i>

1381
01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:16,152
<i>I said, buy the road map and leave.</i>

1382
01:09:16,235 --> 01:09:18,487
<i>What the fuck am I supposed</i>
<i>to do, Seth? He recognized us.</i>

1383
01:09:18,571 --> 01:09:21,490
<i>From Dusk Till Dawn</i> is about a family

1384
01:09:21,574 --> 01:09:24,785
who is taken hostage by criminals
on the lam

1385
01:09:24,869 --> 01:09:27,121
who are heading to this town called,
"El Rey",

1386
01:09:27,204 --> 01:09:29,582
which is taken from the book, <i>The Getaway</i>.

1387
01:09:29,665 --> 01:09:31,959
After getting across the border
successfully,

1388
01:09:32,042 --> 01:09:35,462
stop at a all-night strip club called,
the "Titty Twister".

1389
01:09:40,509 --> 01:09:41,969
A lot of people were surprised.

1390
01:09:42,052 --> 01:09:43,804
You know, they thought they were seeing

1391
01:09:43,888 --> 01:09:46,891
the standard Quentin Tarantino
gangster movie

1392
01:09:46,974 --> 01:09:48,684
with the criminals on the run.

1393
01:09:48,767 --> 01:09:50,644
Using a lot of time to establish
the characters

1394
01:09:50,728 --> 01:09:52,730
is not the norm in the horror genre.

1395
01:09:52,813 --> 01:09:55,858
You didn't really see it coming
in the beginning of the movie.

1396
01:09:55,941 --> 01:09:58,152
And then you were like, "Okay,
something's coming. What is it?"

1397
01:09:58,235 --> 01:09:59,820
But you still didn't know it was vampires.

1398
01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:02,406
<i>Dinner is served.</i>

1399
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:10,331
And then suddenly it turns
into a siege film.

1400
01:10:10,414 --> 01:10:12,249
<i>- Does anybody know what's going on here?</i>

1401
01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:13,959
<i>- We got a bunch</i>
<i>of fucking vampires out there</i>

1402
01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:17,630
<i>trying to get in here and suck</i>
<i>our fucking blood. And that's it.</i>

1403
01:10:17,713 --> 01:10:19,840
<i>- Night of the Living Dead</i>
and <i>Assault on Precinct 13</i>

1404
01:10:19,924 --> 01:10:21,967
were kind of the inspirations for it.

1405
01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:23,427
<i>What the fuck?</i>

1406
01:10:24,887 --> 01:10:27,473
I wanted to direct the film.
I created it to direct.

1407
01:10:27,556 --> 01:10:29,600
I'd written a 24-page treatment.

1408
01:10:29,683 --> 01:10:32,478
What Quentin Tarantino brought
to the script was, first off,

1409
01:10:32,561 --> 01:10:34,396
he has a love for all cinema.

1410
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,233
All the genres we were trying
to uh, mix together.

1411
01:10:37,316 --> 01:10:39,443
<i>-He signaled the ranger.</i>
<i>-I didn't!</i>

1412
01:10:39,526 --> 01:10:41,779
<i>When they were talking,</i>
<i>he mouthed the words, "help us".</i>

1413
01:10:41,862 --> 01:10:43,697
<i>You fucking liar! I didn't say shit!</i>

1414
01:10:43,781 --> 01:10:45,199
<i>Why don't you shut the hell up?</i>

1415
01:10:45,282 --> 01:10:48,160
He brought a sense of humor
and the sense of violence,

1416
01:10:48,244 --> 01:10:50,204
even throw in the meta thing into it.

1417
01:10:50,287 --> 01:10:51,497
<i>I know silver bullets are werewolves,</i>

1418
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:53,791
<i>but I'm sure silver has</i>
<i>something to do with vampires.</i>

1419
01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:56,710
<i>Well, does anybody have any silver?</i>

1420
01:10:56,794 --> 01:10:58,254
<i>Okay. Then who cares?</i>

1421
01:10:58,337 --> 01:11:00,256
Basically, it took almost eight years

1422
01:11:00,339 --> 01:11:02,508
to get it off the ground,
even after the success

1423
01:11:02,591 --> 01:11:04,510
of <i>Reservoir Dogs</i> and then <i>Pulp Fiction.</i>

1424
01:11:04,593 --> 01:11:06,804
It was still a hard sell for a studio.

1425
01:11:06,887 --> 01:11:09,890
At one point, we almost had it set up
as <i>Tales from the Crypt</i> movie.

1426
01:11:09,974 --> 01:11:13,018
Thank God we didn't, 'cause they wanted us
to put the Crypt Keeper in it.

1427
01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:16,188
Once Robert became interested in it,
then everything changed.

1428
01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:19,149
<i>Welcome to slavery.</i>

1429
01:11:19,233 --> 01:11:20,442
<i>I already had a wife.</i>

1430
01:11:23,487 --> 01:11:25,114
Suddenly, the project became bigger.

1431
01:11:25,197 --> 01:11:26,282
Initially, it was like, you know,

1432
01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:29,076
3 million or under movie
is what we were trying to do,

1433
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:31,537
and then it became
an $18 million production.

1434
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:34,456
Then the cast that was
brought on, so I was like,

1435
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,499
"Yeah, let's let Robert do it.

1436
01:11:35,582 --> 01:11:38,544
He's a hot new guy in town,
and he's got a lot of energy,

1437
01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,462
and I love his movies,
and I love how he shoots."

1438
01:11:40,546 --> 01:11:42,172
So it-- it kind of became a no-brainer,

1439
01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:45,050
and it was gonna be an effects
showcase for us at KNB.

1440
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:46,885
So, and you know, I got my story credit,

1441
01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:49,263
a producing credit,
and I got to work on a bunch

1442
01:11:49,346 --> 01:11:50,973
of cool effects stuff in this show.

1443
01:11:53,809 --> 01:11:56,770
People still think that I did
the makeup effects

1444
01:11:56,854 --> 01:11:58,022
on <i>Dusk Till Dawn</i>.

1445
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:02,318
I can give Greg Nicotero some
credit for becoming Sex Machine.

1446
01:12:04,528 --> 01:12:06,071
Greg said, "Hey, what about Tom Savini?"

1447
01:12:06,155 --> 01:12:08,198
And Quentin,
"Well, let's send him the script

1448
01:12:08,282 --> 01:12:10,409
and let him send us a video audition."

1449
01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:12,494
They wanted me
to play Fred Williamson's part,

1450
01:12:12,578 --> 01:12:14,330
'cause he has a speech about Vietnam.

1451
01:12:14,413 --> 01:12:17,041
So the script arrived,
but then I saw Sex Machine,

1452
01:12:17,124 --> 01:12:18,959
and his lines were much better.

1453
01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:20,794
<i>-What's your name, girlie?</i>
<i>-Kate, what's yours?</i>

1454
01:12:20,878 --> 01:12:22,087
<i>Sex Machine.</i>
<i>Pleased to meet you.</i>

1455
01:12:22,171 --> 01:12:25,716
So I wrote his lines on cue cards
and put them around the room,

1456
01:12:25,799 --> 01:12:27,885
and I was just reading cue cards,
but it looked like

1457
01:12:27,968 --> 01:12:29,511
I was talking to a bunch of people.

1458
01:12:29,595 --> 01:12:33,015
So it made Quentin laugh.
So they changed the body types.

1459
01:12:33,098 --> 01:12:35,642
Sex Machine was a little guy,
not Fred Williamson,

1460
01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:38,187
and Fred became Frost
with the Vietnam speech.

1461
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:41,523
It was a movie that had a lot
of visual effects in it,

1462
01:12:41,607 --> 01:12:44,693
and the way we achieved 'em
was kind of a weird hybrid

1463
01:12:44,777 --> 01:12:47,696
of like, practical and digital
at that time.

1464
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:48,947
Now you do it all digitally.

1465
01:12:49,031 --> 01:12:50,324
<i>I love you too, Seth.</i>

1466
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:54,995
The interior of the Titty Twister
was built

1467
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,791
in the old Lawry steak seasoning factory

1468
01:12:58,874 --> 01:13:01,335
somewhere right near Glendale
in California.

1469
01:13:01,418 --> 01:13:03,670
It was a elevated set,
so we could get underneath

1470
01:13:03,754 --> 01:13:07,508
and do some gags and puppeteer
the big rat sequence and everything.

1471
01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:13,055
Tom Savini has this really cool
vampire look.

1472
01:13:13,138 --> 01:13:16,225
He goes, "Whose idea was it
to give me the dick nose?"

1473
01:13:16,308 --> 01:13:18,811
Tom's always like,
"You guys did this on purpose

1474
01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:20,979
and put a dick nose on my makeup."

1475
01:13:21,063 --> 01:13:23,315
It was never a dick nose,
it's literally a bat nose.

1476
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,359
<i>Fucking bit me!</i>

1477
01:13:25,442 --> 01:13:27,277
<i>What are you gonna do about it?</i>

1478
01:13:28,195 --> 01:13:29,696
<i>Come on, Sex Machine!</i>

1479
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,243
Robert, he shoots so fast, which is great,

1480
01:13:34,326 --> 01:13:36,453
because he's shooting everything
guerrilla style,

1481
01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:38,789
like he did with <i>Desperado</i>
and <i>El Mariachi</i>.

1482
01:13:38,872 --> 01:13:41,417
You'll have a wheelchair,
he's just sitting in it

1483
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,585
and they're wheeling him around,
he's doing crazy shots.

1484
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:46,046
So we never got bored.
It was always just fun.

1485
01:13:50,592 --> 01:13:52,344
And the soundtrack,
that was a wonderful case

1486
01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:53,846
of some great bands,

1487
01:13:53,929 --> 01:13:55,889
Tito and the Tarantulas was phenomenal.

1488
01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:01,854
Robert Rodriguez he had
actually temped <i>Dusk Till Dawn</i>

1489
01:14:01,937 --> 01:14:02,980
with <i>Dead Calm</i>.

1490
01:14:03,063 --> 01:14:04,690
But I spoke some nonsense and said,

1491
01:14:04,773 --> 01:14:07,609
"I think the best thing to do
is write a mariachi surf opera."

1492
01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:09,611
But that was like the perfect three words.

1493
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:18,370
I think the vampires and the gore were--
were the glue in that one.

1494
01:14:20,497 --> 01:14:23,542
In its initial release, it didn't do
as well as they thought it would.

1495
01:14:23,625 --> 01:14:25,836
It wasn't a huge success
for Miramax or Dimension,

1496
01:14:25,919 --> 01:14:28,839
but in the years since it's a perennial.

1497
01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:30,966
It's always on television,
it's always on at Halloween.

1498
01:14:31,049 --> 01:14:32,176
Everybody knows it,

1499
01:14:32,259 --> 01:14:34,970
so it's made a lot of money
over the years.

1500
01:14:35,053 --> 01:14:37,598
It got made the way
it was supposed to get made.

1501
01:14:37,681 --> 01:14:40,017
And I think that's why people
love it to this day

1502
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,144
is because it didn't follow the norms,

1503
01:14:42,227 --> 01:14:44,813
it didn't have the standard
three-act structure,

1504
01:14:44,897 --> 01:14:47,232
pulls a rug out from
underneath you halfway through.

1505
01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:51,403
And it gave us a great chance to just have
so much fun with the effects.

1506
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:53,405
<i>Now let's kill that fucking band.</i>

1507
01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:55,616
<i>Fuck you, everybody!</i>
<i>Goodnight!</i>

1508
01:15:02,164 --> 01:15:06,043
<i>Don't Look Up</i> was co-written
by Hideo Nakata,

1509
01:15:06,126 --> 01:15:10,172
who would later go on to direct the <i>Ring</i>,
and by Takashi Shimizu,

1510
01:15:10,255 --> 01:15:12,925
who would later on direct
<i>Ju-On:The Grudge</i>.

1511
01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:18,430
It's widely considered
to be semi-autobiographical,

1512
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:20,474
because it's the behind-the-scenes story

1513
01:15:20,557 --> 01:15:24,186
of a first-time director making
his first feature film.

1514
01:15:24,269 --> 01:15:25,979
And unfortunately for him,

1515
01:15:26,063 --> 01:15:28,732
he's trying to make
this first feature film

1516
01:15:28,815 --> 01:15:31,860
in a completely haunted set,
very dangerous set.

1517
01:15:37,115 --> 01:15:40,118
Yūrei Yanagi, an actor who reappears

1518
01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:43,455
in <i>Ringu</i> as a TV reporter, is the figure

1519
01:15:43,539 --> 01:15:46,917
of a newbie director who's seen
by many critics

1520
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,629
as an on-screen surrogate
for Hideo Nakata himself.

1521
01:15:50,671 --> 01:15:56,051
You get a really self-reflexive
meta-narrative about filmmaking.

1522
01:16:01,890 --> 01:16:04,893
This previous production
had a terrible traumatic event

1523
01:16:04,935 --> 01:16:07,062
that may be left behind some angry ghosts

1524
01:16:07,145 --> 01:16:11,733
who've projected their psychic visions
out onto whatever might be nearby.

1525
01:16:14,361 --> 01:16:18,448
Inadvertently, both the crew
and the actors find that

1526
01:16:18,532 --> 01:16:23,245
their gazes are always drifting
upwards towards the rafters above the set.

1527
01:16:23,328 --> 01:16:27,499
And sometimes they end up seeing
a spectral figure,

1528
01:16:27,583 --> 01:16:29,001
a woman in white.

1529
01:16:35,674 --> 01:16:37,926
They find, as they're checking
their dailies,

1530
01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:41,430
that a lot of their footage
has been compromised by the fact

1531
01:16:41,513 --> 01:16:43,974
that maybe the film
had been previously used

1532
01:16:44,057 --> 01:16:45,225
by another production

1533
01:16:45,309 --> 01:16:48,020
and they've just shot new footage
on top of it.

1534
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,859
The ghost has somehow imprinted herself.

1535
01:16:53,942 --> 01:16:57,487
The process of continually
rewinding, replaying,

1536
01:16:57,571 --> 01:17:01,158
rewinding and replaying
the recorded footage actually

1537
01:17:01,241 --> 01:17:03,410
brings the ghost to life.

1538
01:17:08,540 --> 01:17:10,375
<i>Don't Look Up</i> starts like a drama.

1539
01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:13,795
And it plays like a drama
until gradually shifting

1540
01:17:13,879 --> 01:17:15,505
into horror movie mode.

1541
01:17:19,426 --> 01:17:23,180
The actress falls to her death
and now this trauma

1542
01:17:23,263 --> 01:17:25,641
is urgent, and real, and present.

1543
01:17:31,313 --> 01:17:34,566
<i>Don't Look Up</i> is really
a beautifully put together piece

1544
01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:39,488
of horror filmmaking that has
all of that disquieting aesthetic

1545
01:17:39,571 --> 01:17:42,074
that makes the later J-horrors work.

1546
01:17:42,157 --> 01:17:44,993
It's the one that's showing the pathway
that they're gonna follow.

1547
01:17:53,877 --> 01:17:55,337
<i>- Hellraiser.</i>

1548
01:17:58,423 --> 01:17:59,716
<i>Bloodline.</i>

1549
01:18:00,384 --> 01:18:02,135
I saw <i>Hellraiser: Bloodline</i>
in the theater.

1550
01:18:02,219 --> 01:18:04,346
I played hooky. I snuck out of class.

1551
01:18:04,429 --> 01:18:07,641
And I have revisited that movie
unapologetically since.

1552
01:18:14,356 --> 01:18:15,524
The story's pretty cool.

1553
01:18:15,607 --> 01:18:18,568
It's three timelines
where you're dealing with generations

1554
01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:19,695
within one family.

1555
01:18:19,778 --> 01:18:22,155
The inventor of the Lament Configuration.

1556
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:25,617
All three of these stories
are braided together to tell

1557
01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,204
one kind of epic, sprawling
and complete <i>Hellraiser</i> story.

1558
01:18:29,287 --> 01:18:33,709
This triple timeline,
generational family's struggle

1559
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:36,837
with their inadvertent role in evil.

1560
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,757
<i>A summoned demon is yours to command.</i>

1561
01:18:40,841 --> 01:18:43,176
<i>Unless you stand in Hell's way.</i>

1562
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:45,095
Outer Space. Why not?

1563
01:18:45,178 --> 01:18:49,474
It's by far in a way the most ambitious
of all the <i>Hellraiser</i> screenplays.

1564
01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:53,687
Bound together by the story
of the LeMarchand

1565
01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:56,565
who becomes Merchant family.

1566
01:18:56,648 --> 01:18:59,401
<i>You know me from dreams, John LeMarchand.</i>

1567
01:18:59,484 --> 01:19:02,154
<i>We have a destiny together.</i>

1568
01:19:02,237 --> 01:19:04,948
Clive is back on board
as executive producer again.

1569
01:19:05,031 --> 01:19:08,702
This is his storyline that
Pete Atkins again has written

1570
01:19:08,785 --> 01:19:10,370
brilliantly as a screenplay.

1571
01:19:10,454 --> 01:19:13,707
It's a very ambitious way
to try and make a film,

1572
01:19:13,749 --> 01:19:15,417
'cause you're really making three films.

1573
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:16,710
Three separate films.

1574
01:19:16,793 --> 01:19:19,880
There are separate casts,
separate budget requirements,

1575
01:19:19,963 --> 01:19:21,298
design requirements.

1576
01:19:21,381 --> 01:19:25,719
It's a lot of sets.
It's a lot of locations.

1577
01:19:25,802 --> 01:19:27,220
Hugely ambitious.

1578
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:34,352
There were problems baked into the cake.

1579
01:19:34,436 --> 01:19:37,814
And I think the fundamental problem
was that they gave us

1580
01:19:37,898 --> 01:19:40,776
the same amount of time
and the same amount of money

1581
01:19:40,859 --> 01:19:44,196
to make <i>Bloodline</i> that we had
had to make <i>Hellraiser III</i>.

1582
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:45,322
<i>Help me.</i>

1583
01:19:49,743 --> 01:19:52,412
- I had a great working relationship
with Kevin Yagher.

1584
01:19:52,496 --> 01:19:55,290
Aware of his work as
a special effects makeup artist.

1585
01:19:55,373 --> 01:19:57,542
First time director,
but I got on great with him.

1586
01:19:57,626 --> 01:20:01,171
<i>Temptation is worthless, princess.</i>

1587
01:20:01,254 --> 01:20:05,258
<i>I will teach your human Merchant</i>
<i>about the value of suffering.</i>

1588
01:20:05,342 --> 01:20:08,261
It's very famously meddled
with by Weinsteins

1589
01:20:08,345 --> 01:20:11,681
who are famous meddlers when it comes
to these kind of movies.

1590
01:20:11,765 --> 01:20:13,016
It's really tough.

1591
01:20:13,099 --> 01:20:16,812
Especially, in the '90s
when that factory mentality

1592
01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:20,649
in the studios, you know,
is still really kind of oppressive.

1593
01:20:20,732 --> 01:20:25,862
<i>Oh, you suffer beautifully</i>
<i>but I am here for business not pleasure.</i>

1594
01:20:25,946 --> 01:20:27,864
They kept messing with the ending.

1595
01:20:27,948 --> 01:20:30,617
The whole point about going
into outer space

1596
01:20:30,700 --> 01:20:33,578
is that Merchant is bringing
Pinhead there,

1597
01:20:33,662 --> 01:20:36,665
because he knows he is the end
of the bloodline.

1598
01:20:36,748 --> 01:20:39,751
And so he lures Pinhead
to the space station.

1599
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:41,753
Welcome to oblivion. Boom.

1600
01:20:43,713 --> 01:20:45,799
The end.
They wanted a happy ending.

1601
01:20:45,882 --> 01:20:47,259
The one that I wish they'd kept,

1602
01:20:47,342 --> 01:20:50,011
which I saw was seemed to me
rather wonderful,

1603
01:20:50,095 --> 01:20:51,346
because it's a time loop.

1604
01:20:51,429 --> 01:20:54,724
And I thought that was brilliant.
It was the end of the fight.

1605
01:20:54,808 --> 01:20:56,726
The end of Pinhead. Not.

1606
01:20:56,810 --> 01:21:00,188
<i>I am forever.</i>

1607
01:21:00,230 --> 01:21:02,691
I'm not party
to all the politicking of it,

1608
01:21:02,774 --> 01:21:05,110
but I know that in the creation
of the director's cut,

1609
01:21:05,193 --> 01:21:08,196
Kevin had a major falling out
with the producers

1610
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:09,781
and parted company with the project.

1611
01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:12,367
I've talked to Kevin about this
subsequently.

1612
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:13,827
He and I are still good friends.

1613
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:17,622
But he was gone
and they now wanted reshoots.

1614
01:21:17,706 --> 01:21:18,832
But it wasn't reshoots.

1615
01:21:18,915 --> 01:21:20,917
It was really three sets

1616
01:21:21,001 --> 01:21:25,171
of brand new principal photography
which we shot

1617
01:21:25,255 --> 01:21:26,840
the following year in '95.

1618
01:21:26,923 --> 01:21:29,593
Joe Chappelle came in
who had just directed

1619
01:21:29,676 --> 01:21:33,221
<i>Halloween 6</i> for Dimension.
And Joe was great.

1620
01:21:33,305 --> 01:21:34,931
<i>- It's just a box.</i>

1621
01:21:36,224 --> 01:21:38,560
<i>Thank God for men of reason.</i>

1622
01:21:38,643 --> 01:21:42,981
It was my second experience
of working with finance on set.

1623
01:21:43,064 --> 01:21:46,026
When we came to some of the space things,

1624
01:21:46,109 --> 01:21:50,280
we were doing one scene,
one shot, one take.

1625
01:21:50,363 --> 01:21:51,990
It's not a great way to work.

1626
01:21:54,534 --> 01:21:58,538
My understanding is the end
of it all, they said to Joe,

1627
01:21:58,622 --> 01:22:00,290
"We'll put your name on the picture."

1628
01:22:00,373 --> 01:22:01,875
And Joe said, "No, you won't.

1629
01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:05,086
Because a lot of the work
in the movie is Kevin's.

1630
01:22:05,170 --> 01:22:06,338
It's not mine."

1631
01:22:07,672 --> 01:22:11,343
And that's how it falls out
that I have worked

1632
01:22:11,426 --> 01:22:16,431
with one of the true legends
of Hollywood, Alan Smithee.

1633
01:22:16,514 --> 01:22:21,686
Industry code for nobody was prepared
to take responsibility for this movie.

1634
01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:27,442
That often means that the movie
was so awful that--

1635
01:22:27,525 --> 01:22:29,986
that nobody was prepared
to take credit for it.

1636
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,322
And that's not the case in <i>Bloodlines</i>.

1637
01:22:32,405 --> 01:22:35,951
I think a co-directing credit
between Kevin and Joe

1638
01:22:36,034 --> 01:22:38,495
would have been the right thing,
but it isn't.

1639
01:22:38,578 --> 01:22:40,372
It's an Alan Smithee movie.

1640
01:22:40,455 --> 01:22:44,000
<i>I am pain.</i>

1641
01:22:52,050 --> 01:22:55,762
<i>- Tremors 2: Aftershocks.</i>

1642
01:22:55,845 --> 01:22:58,682
<i>Tremors </i>to me is baby <i>Jurassic Park</i>.

1643
01:22:58,765 --> 01:23:00,725
It didn't have the push of the studio.

1644
01:23:00,809 --> 01:23:04,312
It didn't have any of that,
but it had the power of the fans.

1645
01:23:06,773 --> 01:23:08,858
The character of Burt Gummer

1646
01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:12,821
is the glue of all of the <i>Tremors</i>.

1647
01:23:12,862 --> 01:23:15,407
It's fucking Burt's world
and we're all in it.

1648
01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:19,035
Broke into the wrong goddamn rec room,
didn't you, you bastard?

1649
01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:21,579
<i>Tremors 2: Aftershocks.</i>

1650
01:23:21,663 --> 01:23:23,456
I thought <i>Tremors</i> was gonna be a one-off.

1651
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:27,335
It was not this huge hit
that we all thought it should be.

1652
01:23:27,419 --> 01:23:30,171
<i>Hungry? Eat this!</i>

1653
01:23:31,715 --> 01:23:35,176
Of course, I was disappointed.
There goes the feature career.

1654
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:38,221
So I was as surprised as anybody
when I got a phone call.

1655
01:23:38,304 --> 01:23:40,348
<i>- I'm down in Mexico, see,</i>
<i>and I find myself</i>

1656
01:23:40,432 --> 01:23:42,475
<i>in a sort of situation.</i>

1657
01:23:42,559 --> 01:23:43,518
<i>What kind of situation?</i>

1658
01:23:43,601 --> 01:23:45,437
<i>A graboid kind of situation.</i>

1659
01:23:46,771 --> 01:23:48,773
Seriously?
They're actually doing this?

1660
01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:51,151
It didn't do well in the movie houses,

1661
01:23:51,234 --> 01:23:55,447
but by golly, it's found its way
in the aftermarket video.

1662
01:23:55,530 --> 01:23:58,450
"Who's gonna be in it?
Not Kevin? Not Reba?"

1663
01:23:58,533 --> 01:24:00,452
"Fred Ward we think is coming back."

1664
01:24:00,535 --> 01:24:01,786
I said, "Okay, that's good."

1665
01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:03,913
<i>1, 2, 3.</i>

1666
01:24:03,997 --> 01:24:05,248
<i>What's this?</i>

1667
01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:07,876
<i>Scissors cuts paper. I win.</i>

1668
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:10,879
I was thrilled to be back
as Burt firing away.

1669
01:24:12,672 --> 01:24:17,052
More munitions than you could find
in the average ammo dump of NATO.

1670
01:24:17,135 --> 01:24:19,345
<i>World War I anti-tank cartridge.</i>

1671
01:24:19,429 --> 01:24:23,099
And still getting it wrong,
because the creatures had transformed.

1672
01:24:26,519 --> 01:24:30,190
Burt had dealt in <i>Tremors 1</i>
with these underground monsters.

1673
01:24:30,273 --> 01:24:32,776
What should appear
in <i>Tremors 2: Aftershocks</i>?

1674
01:24:32,859 --> 01:24:34,235
These thing called, "shriekers".

1675
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:38,782
They were walking about.
They had a heat-seeking organ.

1676
01:24:38,865 --> 01:24:41,910
They were blind, but they could
find your heat signature.

1677
01:24:41,993 --> 01:24:43,661
This was completely new territory.

1678
01:24:43,745 --> 01:24:46,206
<i>How's a 30-foot worm turn</i>
<i>into that little thing?</i>

1679
01:24:47,582 --> 01:24:49,459
"I feel I was denied critical…"

1680
01:24:49,542 --> 01:24:53,088
<i>…need to know information.</i>

1681
01:24:53,171 --> 01:24:57,008
That line is still repeated
back to me time and again.

1682
01:24:57,092 --> 01:25:00,637
<i>I am completely out of ammo.</i>

1683
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,098
Great writing.
Burt being caught off guard.

1684
01:25:03,181 --> 01:25:06,893
There's nothing better
when a writer falls in love

1685
01:25:06,976 --> 01:25:09,854
with your character and says,
"Oh, let's write

1686
01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:11,439
to the strengths of this character.

1687
01:25:11,523 --> 01:25:14,067
Let's run with it.
Let's have fun with that."

1688
01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:15,568
It's gold for an actor.

1689
01:25:18,029 --> 01:25:19,364
<i>You smoked his ass.</i>

1690
01:25:19,447 --> 01:25:21,533
<i>Doing what I can with what I got.</i>

1691
01:25:21,616 --> 01:25:24,035
The funny thing is Michael like--
likes art.

1692
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:25,370
He's a sweet guy.

1693
01:25:25,453 --> 01:25:29,541
He's more closer to the dad on <i>Family Ties</i>
than he is Burt Gummer.

1694
01:25:29,624 --> 01:25:33,169
But yet, when he embodies it,
he's a fucking animal!

1695
01:25:33,253 --> 01:25:35,296
And he's crazy with this shit.

1696
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:38,883
<i>If certain people had bothered</i>
<i>to gather intelligence</i>

1697
01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:41,761
<i>on the creatures before bumbling</i>
<i>into the situation--</i>

1698
01:25:41,845 --> 01:25:43,096
<i>Knock it off, Burt!</i>

1699
01:25:43,179 --> 01:25:45,098
If I had one problem with the piece,

1700
01:25:45,181 --> 01:25:48,643
we were protecting an entire community
in <i>Tremors 1</i>.

1701
01:25:48,726 --> 01:25:51,938
I said, "We're in an oil field.
Who cares about big oil?"

1702
01:25:52,021 --> 01:25:53,731
Thankfully, in some ways, I was wrong.

1703
01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:56,526
People still cared, because
the characters were so wonderful.

1704
01:25:56,609 --> 01:25:58,194
<i>Doesn't anything ever get you down?</i>

1705
01:25:58,278 --> 01:26:00,446
<i>Well, I'm blessed</i>
<i>with a sunny disposition.</i>

1706
01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:01,656
<i>Most people seem to like it.</i>

1707
01:26:01,739 --> 01:26:06,411
They brought me in it 14 years later
to be Burt Gummer's son.

1708
01:26:06,494 --> 01:26:08,496
Like, that's the biggest compliment.

1709
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:11,958
I know that my lineage
is now set in this world

1710
01:26:12,041 --> 01:26:13,751
and I get a lot of love off of it.

1711
01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:15,545
I'm very fortunate to be part of it.

1712
01:26:15,628 --> 01:26:16,921
<i>You got something to say to me?</i>

1713
01:26:17,005 --> 01:26:21,384
<i>You're suffering from a severe case</i>
<i>of getting too old for this crap.</i>

1714
01:26:21,426 --> 01:26:23,469
<i>So give me the vest and your flares.</i>

1715
01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:27,932
- We have done seven <i>Tremors</i> films
as of 2024

1716
01:26:28,016 --> 01:26:32,437
and one television series that lasted,
I think, 13 episodes.

1717
01:26:34,939 --> 01:26:37,150
I will tell you that I have
a special place in my heart

1718
01:26:37,233 --> 01:26:39,569
for <i>Tremors 4: The Legend Begins.</i>

1719
01:26:39,652 --> 01:26:42,238
I love prequels, a historic piece
in the Old West.

1720
01:26:42,322 --> 01:26:44,199
I thought, "How marvelous is that?"

1721
01:26:44,282 --> 01:26:48,786
<i>I feel I've not been privy to critical,</i>
<i>most needful information.</i>

1722
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:51,539
Hiram Gummer started out
as a man who wanted nothing

1723
01:26:51,623 --> 01:26:54,500
to do with these people, as I see,
snobbish, somewhat effete.

1724
01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:56,628
And he came to say, "I'll stay."

1725
01:26:56,711 --> 01:26:59,923
<i>An ambush. We will lead them</i>
<i>into our very gun muzzles.</i>

1726
01:27:00,006 --> 01:27:02,634
Someone who thought he was better
than everyone else.

1727
01:27:02,717 --> 01:27:04,052
In the course of the piece,

1728
01:27:04,135 --> 01:27:07,347
he learns to accept these people,
fight along with them,

1729
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:09,515
and in a sense, fall in love with them.

1730
01:27:09,599 --> 01:27:11,226
I love a story like that.

1731
01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:16,481
Burt Gummer was the gift
that kept on giving.

1732
01:27:16,564 --> 01:27:21,486
And the trust of a few people
at Universal who kept saying,

1733
01:27:21,569 --> 01:27:22,570
"Let's do another."

1734
01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:27,075
<i>Memo: 4 pounds of C4,</i>

1735
01:27:27,158 --> 01:27:30,286
<i>may be a little excessive.</i>

1736
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:42,924
Some of the best horror
was coming out of Europe.

1737
01:27:44,717 --> 01:27:46,594
<i>The Church</i>, by Michele Soavi.

1738
01:27:46,678 --> 01:27:47,679
I love <i>The Church</i>.

1739
01:27:47,762 --> 01:27:50,014
The ambiance that he's able
to achieve with it,

1740
01:27:50,098 --> 01:27:52,058
and some of the images
are pretty interesting.

1741
01:27:54,185 --> 01:27:56,437
Which really set it up for what I think

1742
01:27:56,521 --> 01:27:59,941
is a masterpiece,
which is <i>Dellamorte Dellamore</i>.

1743
01:28:00,024 --> 01:28:02,986
<i>My name is Francesco Dellamorte.</i>

1744
01:28:03,069 --> 01:28:05,488
<i>Weird name, isn't it?</i>
<i>Francis of Death.</i>

1745
01:28:05,571 --> 01:28:08,741
It was released in America
as <i>Cemetery Man</i>. Terrible title.

1746
01:28:12,704 --> 01:28:16,457
- Michele had done his two films
for Dario Argento.

1747
01:28:16,541 --> 01:28:18,293
He was ready to break out on his own.

1748
01:28:18,376 --> 01:28:21,713
And this has to be the towering
achievement of his career.

1749
01:28:21,796 --> 01:28:25,550
This is arguably the last great
Italian horror film.

1750
01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:28,678
Certainly the last great Italian
horror film that was made for theaters.

1751
01:28:28,761 --> 01:28:30,305
<i>Give me the fucking spade!</i>

1752
01:28:32,015 --> 01:28:35,977
Rupert Everett is a caretaker
in a very ancient,

1753
01:28:36,060 --> 01:28:39,063
very old cemetery where
when people get buried,

1754
01:28:39,147 --> 01:28:41,190
they come back after a few days

1755
01:28:41,274 --> 01:28:43,401
and he has to make sure
that they stay dead.

1756
01:28:44,902 --> 01:28:46,946
He's just resigned to that life.

1757
01:28:48,614 --> 01:28:50,158
<i>- What the hell was that?</i>

1758
01:28:50,241 --> 01:28:52,076
<i>Nothing, I'm uh, just working.</i>

1759
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,455
His bald-headed assistant
falls in love with a girl

1760
01:28:55,538 --> 01:28:58,499
from the village,
and then she ends up dying.

1761
01:29:00,752 --> 01:29:06,299
And he brings her head back in
and is like living with this head.

1762
01:29:06,382 --> 01:29:08,509
It's so fucking bonkers, dude.

1763
01:29:08,593 --> 01:29:12,055
<i>With your consent,</i>
<i>I'd like to marry Gnaghi.</i>

1764
01:29:12,138 --> 01:29:14,474
<i>-This horrible thing?</i>
<i>-Yeah.</i>

1765
01:29:14,557 --> 01:29:17,185
It was based on the <i>Dylan Dog</i> comic,

1766
01:29:17,268 --> 01:29:20,271
which was a very popular
Italian horror comic.

1767
01:29:20,355 --> 01:29:24,150
The design of the character in the comic
was actually based on Rupert Everett.

1768
01:29:24,233 --> 01:29:26,319
So it made perfect sense to cast him.

1769
01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:31,491
The woman that Rupert Everett
is in love with

1770
01:29:31,574 --> 01:29:33,868
is played by Anna Falchi,
who is without a doubt

1771
01:29:33,951 --> 01:29:35,620
one of the most beautiful women on screen.

1772
01:29:35,703 --> 01:29:37,789
<i>Why on your poor husband's grave, huh?</i>

1773
01:29:38,706 --> 01:29:40,833
<i>I've never kept anything from him.</i>

1774
01:29:40,875 --> 01:29:42,835
<i>We've trusted each other implicitly.</i>

1775
01:29:42,919 --> 01:29:45,880
The character is called, "She",
so She becomes emblematic

1776
01:29:45,963 --> 01:29:47,590
of so many different women.

1777
01:29:51,594 --> 01:29:53,930
<i>Dellamorte Dellamore,</i>
of death and of love.

1778
01:29:54,013 --> 01:29:56,641
It's how we come to grips with the dead.

1779
01:29:56,724 --> 01:29:58,684
<i>I can't forgive myself</i>
<i>for having lied to you.</i>

1780
01:29:59,852 --> 01:30:01,270
<i>I don't have a degree in biology.</i>

1781
01:30:01,354 --> 01:30:03,856
There's all kinds of strange perversities
in this movie,

1782
01:30:03,940 --> 01:30:07,485
but it is an absolutely
beautifully-shot film.

1783
01:30:07,568 --> 01:30:10,029
The mise en scène in the movie,
the production design,

1784
01:30:10,113 --> 01:30:13,282
everything, the look
of the film, all the colors,

1785
01:30:13,366 --> 01:30:17,078
all the blues and the reds,
all the atmospheric smoke,

1786
01:30:17,161 --> 01:30:19,414
the fireflies, everything just gives this

1787
01:30:19,497 --> 01:30:22,166
kind of otherworldly,
as if you're crossing over

1788
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:24,669
to the otherworld watching this movie.

1789
01:30:24,752 --> 01:30:26,712
<i>No one will ever make us part.</i>

1790
01:30:28,589 --> 01:30:29,882
<i>Gnaghi, the gun!</i>

1791
01:30:29,966 --> 01:30:32,760
There's a beautiful scene
where he's confronted

1792
01:30:32,844 --> 01:30:33,761
by the Grim Reaper.

1793
01:30:33,845 --> 01:30:37,765
And it's this incredible
practical effect Grim Reaper.

1794
01:30:37,849 --> 01:30:40,017
It's like he's just accepting his fate.

1795
01:30:40,101 --> 01:30:42,311
And the Grim Reaper is--
is basically is telling him,

1796
01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:45,106
he's like, "You are my hand,
you are my arm,

1797
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:47,400
you are what keeps the dead dead.

1798
01:30:47,483 --> 01:30:49,235
It will always be your place."

1799
01:30:49,318 --> 01:30:52,363
<i>If you don't want the dead</i>
<i>coming back to life,</i>

1800
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:55,324
<i>why don't you just kill the living?</i>

1801
01:30:55,408 --> 01:30:57,785
If you've ever lost somebody
that you love,

1802
01:30:57,869 --> 01:30:59,829
you can look at that film
and really be moved by it

1803
01:30:59,912 --> 01:31:01,456
and really respond to the poetry of it.

1804
01:31:01,539 --> 01:31:04,292
<i>Most beautiful living woman</i>
<i>I have ever seen.</i>

1805
01:31:05,668 --> 01:31:06,919
<i>Will I see her again?</i>

1806
01:31:07,003 --> 01:31:10,089
This really showed that
Michele Soavi was on his way

1807
01:31:10,173 --> 01:31:12,341
to taking over the mantle from Dario.

1808
01:31:12,425 --> 01:31:15,928
But unfortunately,
some life problems got involved

1809
01:31:15,970 --> 01:31:19,390
and also the decimation
of the Italian film industry

1810
01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:23,060
meant that he hasn't made
another horror movie to this day.

1811
01:31:23,144 --> 01:31:24,937
<i>I'm the mayor!</i>

1812
01:31:26,022 --> 01:31:26,939
<i>Ex.</i>

1813
01:31:37,074 --> 01:31:38,242
<i>- The Craft.</i>

1814
01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:41,037
<i>The Craft</i> is a movie
that asks the question,

1815
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,707
what if that group of very marginal girls

1816
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:48,336
at the other end of the cafeteria,
what if they actually were witches?

1817
01:31:48,419 --> 01:31:51,047
<i>Oh, shit.</i>
<i>It's the bitches of Eastwick.</i>

1818
01:31:51,130 --> 01:31:52,548
<i>-What?</i>
<i>-Yeah, whatever you do,</i>

1819
01:31:52,632 --> 01:31:54,634
<i>stay away from them.</i>
<i>They're witches.</i>

1820
01:31:54,717 --> 01:31:56,886
And what if they actually
had magical powers?

1821
01:31:56,969 --> 01:31:58,346
<i>Light as a feather, stiff as a board.</i>

1822
01:31:58,429 --> 01:31:59,805
<i>Light as a feather, stiff as a board.</i>

1823
01:31:59,889 --> 01:32:02,642
- Fairuza Balk, Neve Campbell,
Rachel True,

1824
01:32:02,725 --> 01:32:06,020
three witches already have a trio,
a coven of their own,

1825
01:32:06,103 --> 01:32:08,397
but they're missing their fourth.

1826
01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:11,234
Enter Robin Tunney, new girl at school.

1827
01:32:11,317 --> 01:32:15,655
As one tends to do, the misfits
kind of gravitate towards one another.

1828
01:32:15,738 --> 01:32:17,657
<i>You girls watch out for those weirdos.</i>

1829
01:32:17,740 --> 01:32:19,200
<i>We are the weirdos, mister.</i>

1830
01:32:19,283 --> 01:32:21,786
At one point or another,
everybody feels like an outcast.

1831
01:32:21,869 --> 01:32:25,289
Peter Filardi wrote a script
about four teenage girls

1832
01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:27,208
in high school who dabble in witchcraft

1833
01:32:27,291 --> 01:32:30,044
and I was brought in
to do a rewrite of it.

1834
01:32:30,127 --> 01:32:32,338
And as I worked on it, I realized that

1835
01:32:32,421 --> 01:32:35,508
I was personalizing it
to a very large degree.

1836
01:32:35,591 --> 01:32:38,594
My experience in high school especially,

1837
01:32:38,678 --> 01:32:41,514
it was kind of heavy,
it was kind of gothic.

1838
01:32:41,597 --> 01:32:44,976
I think teenagers feel things
more intensely than adults do,

1839
01:32:45,059 --> 01:32:47,270
because it's all happening
for the first time

1840
01:32:47,353 --> 01:32:49,397
and hormones are taking over your life.

1841
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:50,856
<i>Do you guys worship the devil?</i>

1842
01:32:52,233 --> 01:32:54,610
<i>It's like God and the devil.</i>
<i>It's everything.</i>

1843
01:32:54,694 --> 01:32:57,071
I thought it would be nice to invest

1844
01:32:57,154 --> 01:33:00,700
this supernatural story
with real world problems.

1845
01:33:00,783 --> 01:33:04,203
<i>-Don't you ever hit me!</i>
<i>-Don't you touch her! Stop!</i>

1846
01:33:04,287 --> 01:33:06,956
That said, the othe-- flip side
of the coin is that

1847
01:33:07,039 --> 01:33:08,499
it's a little bit of a fantasy.

1848
01:33:11,586 --> 01:33:14,839
The only example that I had
of a movie in a similar genre

1849
01:33:14,922 --> 01:33:16,257
was <i>The Lost Boys.</i>

1850
01:33:16,340 --> 01:33:19,260
At one point we jokingly referred
to the movie as, "The Lost Girls".

1851
01:33:19,343 --> 01:33:23,055
But I really tried to ground
<i>The Craft</i> in reality.

1852
01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:24,765
<i>It just keeps falling out!</i>

1853
01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:27,393
<i>I don't understand it.</i>

1854
01:33:27,476 --> 01:33:29,604
What's really cool about <i>The Craft</i> is that

1855
01:33:29,687 --> 01:33:32,565
it's a bunch of young women
who realize that they are

1856
01:33:32,648 --> 01:33:35,151
so much more powerful together.

1857
01:33:35,234 --> 01:33:37,695
I really liked how they developed
the relationships.

1858
01:33:37,778 --> 01:33:40,615
You saw how complicated it was
and how terrifying,

1859
01:33:40,698 --> 01:33:43,159
but also how powerful and how exciting.

1860
01:33:43,242 --> 01:33:46,037
<i>Do you want in or do you want</i>
<i>to leave the circle?</i>

1861
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,997
<i>Why does it always have</i>
<i>to be that way with you, Nancy?</i>

1862
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,624
<i>Because that's the way it is!</i>

1863
01:33:49,707 --> 01:33:53,127
I believe in the casting gods
that you think you want somebody

1864
01:33:53,210 --> 01:33:54,420
and you don't get them

1865
01:33:54,503 --> 01:33:56,839
and then the person you end up
ends up being so much better

1866
01:33:56,922 --> 01:33:58,341
than who you originally wanted.

1867
01:33:58,424 --> 01:34:01,010
And I loved all four
of those girls in those parts.

1868
01:34:01,093 --> 01:34:02,094
They were perfect.

1869
01:34:02,178 --> 01:34:04,805
The four of them really clicked
in the scenes together.

1870
01:34:04,889 --> 01:34:06,557
But it wasn't a very social set.

1871
01:34:06,641 --> 01:34:11,771
Somebody had to cry almost every day
in a scene or scream or be devastated

1872
01:34:11,854 --> 01:34:13,314
and they took the work seriously.

1873
01:34:13,397 --> 01:34:14,565
It was a difficult movie.

1874
01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:17,276
It was exhausting and everything
was a struggle.

1875
01:34:22,156 --> 01:34:23,824
<i>Sarah.</i>

1876
01:34:25,201 --> 01:34:27,328
The soundtrack was very much
a collaboration between me

1877
01:34:27,411 --> 01:34:29,372
and the music supervisor, Ralph Sall.

1878
01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:31,999
The music really animates scenes for me.

1879
01:34:32,083 --> 01:34:33,250
It's incredibly important.

1880
01:34:33,334 --> 01:34:36,212
As well as the score,
Graeme Revell did an amazing score.

1881
01:34:36,295 --> 01:34:38,381
It was a great pleasure to bring all sorts

1882
01:34:38,464 --> 01:34:40,966
of different elements
into the film scoring.

1883
01:34:41,050 --> 01:34:42,718
All of those instruments,
all of those voices,

1884
01:34:42,802 --> 01:34:46,555
they just have such a beautiful human
and magical element to them.

1885
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:49,809
And I think the craft was
a really good exercise in that.

1886
01:34:52,478 --> 01:34:54,897
The sort of the more magical
little pieces that I wrote

1887
01:34:54,980 --> 01:34:57,858
that ended up on the soundtrack,
that's what the audience wanted.

1888
01:34:57,942 --> 01:35:00,778
Fairuza was a practicing pagan
when we made the film.

1889
01:35:00,861 --> 01:35:03,989
When we were doing the scene on the beach
with the incantations,

1890
01:35:04,031 --> 01:35:07,159
the waves started coming up
harder on the beach.

1891
01:35:07,243 --> 01:35:11,288
But at one point, when we had this shot
with the cameras overhead spinning around,

1892
01:35:11,372 --> 01:35:14,625
a rogue wave came and wiped out
the whole set.

1893
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:16,001
<i>Lend us yours powers.</i>

1894
01:35:16,085 --> 01:35:18,212
<i>Show us your glory.</i>

1895
01:35:18,295 --> 01:35:19,588
<i>We invoke thee!</i>

1896
01:35:19,672 --> 01:35:25,052
I remember Fairuza telling me
that was a very spiritually-enmeshed area.

1897
01:35:25,136 --> 01:35:28,973
We were courting danger
by making this incantation happen.

1898
01:35:29,056 --> 01:35:31,934
<i>Did you feel that?</i>
<i>He blessed me.</i>

1899
01:35:32,017 --> 01:35:34,645
<i>I can feel him running through my veins.</i>

1900
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:39,900
We hired this technical
consultant, Pat, the witch, to help us.

1901
01:35:39,984 --> 01:35:41,986
I wanted to be casting spells
that would be real,

1902
01:35:42,069 --> 01:35:43,946
to do incantations that would be real.

1903
01:35:44,029 --> 01:35:47,158
While not disrespecting any real entities.

1904
01:35:47,241 --> 01:35:50,286
Pat, the witch, gave me a chant
when we were in post-production,

1905
01:35:50,369 --> 01:35:52,329
so that the movie would open number one.

1906
01:35:52,413 --> 01:35:53,539
I did it.

1907
01:35:53,622 --> 01:35:55,916
The movie did open number one,
so you know,

1908
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,084
think what you will.

1909
01:35:57,168 --> 01:35:59,211
<i>-Surprise!</i>
<i>-No.</i>

1910
01:35:59,295 --> 01:36:02,548
<i>Look in your eyes tells me</i>
<i>you might not be so sure.</i>

1911
01:36:02,631 --> 01:36:05,384
It's a movie about women,
and it's not about the men

1912
01:36:05,468 --> 01:36:06,719
in their lives very much.

1913
01:36:06,802 --> 01:36:08,554
<i>You are nothing.</i>

1914
01:36:08,637 --> 01:36:12,683
<i>The only way you know how to treat women</i>
<i>is by treating them like whores!</i>

1915
01:36:12,767 --> 01:36:15,019
And there's something very homoerotic
about their relationship.

1916
01:36:15,102 --> 01:36:18,564
Something very intense and kind
of sexual in their relationship.

1917
01:36:18,647 --> 01:36:21,025
And I cannot tell you
how many people have come out to me

1918
01:36:21,108 --> 01:36:24,278
and said that the movie changed
their idea of themselves,

1919
01:36:24,361 --> 01:36:26,530
because they saw the queerness of it.

1920
01:36:26,614 --> 01:36:31,327
And I realized that I had infused
my gay sensibility into the movie

1921
01:36:31,410 --> 01:36:33,537
without ever uttering the word, "gay".

1922
01:36:33,621 --> 01:36:35,956
<i>Put your fingers underneath.</i>

1923
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,125
<i>Put your fingers where.</i>

1924
01:36:38,209 --> 01:36:42,129
It's endured in a way I never
would have expected it would.

1925
01:36:42,213 --> 01:36:44,632
<i>Oh, relax. It's only magic.</i>

1926
01:36:50,846 --> 01:36:53,224
<i>We don't stop till</i>
<i>the screaming starts, you dig?</i>

1927
01:36:55,851 --> 01:36:57,061
<i>- The Frighteners.</i>

1928
01:36:57,144 --> 01:37:00,397
To us, who grew up in the '80s
and the '90s,

1929
01:37:00,481 --> 01:37:04,819
Peter Jackson was a master of horror
from another world

1930
01:37:04,902 --> 01:37:09,281
that created the bloodiest cartoons
known to man.

1931
01:37:11,367 --> 01:37:14,495
I think people were surprised
that this guy went

1932
01:37:14,578 --> 01:37:18,082
from these weird little independent
horror films

1933
01:37:18,123 --> 01:37:20,918
then suddenly got eyeballed
by Universal Studios

1934
01:37:21,001 --> 01:37:23,921
to do this movie
and got a big budget, big names,

1935
01:37:24,004 --> 01:37:25,548
and then he became the guy

1936
01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:27,550
who brought <i>Lord of the Rings</i>
to the world.

1937
01:37:27,633 --> 01:37:30,094
People forget that he's a horror nerd.

1938
01:37:33,681 --> 01:37:35,182
<i>The wicked will be punished.</i>

1939
01:37:35,224 --> 01:37:39,603
Carving out a career feature by feature,
and he's so passionate about film,

1940
01:37:39,687 --> 01:37:41,146
no matter what the genre is.

1941
01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:43,440
<i>The Frighteners</i>,
it had Michael J. Fox in it.

1942
01:37:43,524 --> 01:37:44,692
Yeah. What's not to like?

1943
01:37:44,775 --> 01:37:46,777
I mean, he's such a fantastic
screen presence.

1944
01:37:46,861 --> 01:37:48,404
<i>This is a letter from my bank.</i>

1945
01:37:48,487 --> 01:37:51,740
<i>This says they want $15,000 from me</i>
<i>or they're gonna sell my house.</i>

1946
01:37:51,824 --> 01:37:55,619
Michael J. Fox is able
to see ghosts and he basically

1947
01:37:55,703 --> 01:37:59,081
is using the ghosts that
he's befriended to haunt places,

1948
01:37:59,164 --> 01:38:01,625
so he can get paid to come
and get rid of them.

1949
01:38:01,709 --> 01:38:03,127
<i>Well, folks, I can do a clearance,</i>

1950
01:38:03,210 --> 01:38:06,046
<i>-but it's not gonna be cheap.</i>
<i>-How much?</i>

1951
01:38:06,130 --> 01:38:08,591
There's such a darkness
at the heart of <i>The Frighteners</i>,

1952
01:38:08,674 --> 01:38:09,884
and sad at parts.

1953
01:38:09,967 --> 01:38:12,553
You just want to kind of hug
Michael J. Fox in this,

1954
01:38:12,636 --> 01:38:15,389
because of some of the things
that his character has gone through.

1955
01:38:15,472 --> 01:38:16,807
He didn't ask for this power.

1956
01:38:16,891 --> 01:38:18,684
He didn't ask to be able to see ghosts.

1957
01:38:18,767 --> 01:38:21,478
He certainly didn't ask for them
to be hanging around,

1958
01:38:21,562 --> 01:38:23,647
so he could help them communicate.

1959
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:25,816
<i>What do you think?</i>
<i>Pretty scary, huh?</i>

1960
01:38:25,900 --> 01:38:27,234
<i>Don't you ever do that again.</i>

1961
01:38:27,318 --> 01:38:30,821
Not a straight up heroic role
for Michael J. Fox,

1962
01:38:30,905 --> 01:38:32,448
which was the norm at this time.

1963
01:38:32,531 --> 01:38:35,451
He's either Alex Keaton or Marty McFly,

1964
01:38:35,534 --> 01:38:38,704
and here he's a broken man
making his living

1965
01:38:38,787 --> 01:38:40,205
by swindling people.

1966
01:38:40,289 --> 01:38:44,960
He ends up crossing paths
with a very evil spirit.

1967
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:52,051
Jake Busey, he is just
a sinister, sinister character

1968
01:38:52,134 --> 01:38:54,720
who is trying to beat the numbers of guys

1969
01:38:54,803 --> 01:38:57,598
like Charles Starkweather
when it comes to killing people.

1970
01:38:57,681 --> 01:38:59,183
<i>I want to kill her now, Betty.</i>

1971
01:38:59,266 --> 01:39:00,392
<i>That'll give us 41.</i>

1972
01:39:00,476 --> 01:39:01,810
<i>That's eight clear of Gacy.</i>

1973
01:39:01,852 --> 01:39:03,812
<i>Another nine will have broken</i>
<i>Bundy's record.</i>

1974
01:39:03,896 --> 01:39:06,231
Peter Jackson, of course,
knows all those tropes

1975
01:39:06,315 --> 01:39:08,567
and really played with it
in <i>The Frighteners</i>

1976
01:39:08,651 --> 01:39:11,695
and appreciated actors like
Jeffrey Combs and Dee Wallace.

1977
01:39:11,779 --> 01:39:14,031
<i>Patronizing do-gooder bitch.</i>

1978
01:39:16,867 --> 01:39:20,412
<i>Oh, Patricia, you kill her.</i>
<i>I'll watch.</i>

1979
01:39:20,496 --> 01:39:23,207
There's no one who was gonna steal a movie

1980
01:39:23,290 --> 01:39:26,168
from Michael J. Fox
and then Jeffrey Combs says,

1981
01:39:26,251 --> 01:39:27,169
"Hold my beer."

1982
01:39:27,252 --> 01:39:30,089
<i>You claim he's a bona fide psychic,</i>
<i>yet all I've heard</i>

1983
01:39:30,172 --> 01:39:32,383
<i>is a lot of ill-informed</i>
<i>meandering waffle.</i>

1984
01:39:32,466 --> 01:39:36,929
As this crazy OCD federal agent

1985
01:39:37,012 --> 01:39:39,348
who has spent way too much time

1986
01:39:39,431 --> 01:39:43,102
in with cults
and the fucking supernatural.

1987
01:39:43,185 --> 01:39:46,397
<i>We have 28 unexplained deaths here.</i>

1988
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:50,693
<i>I think you are involved in each</i>
<i>and every one of them.</i>

1989
01:39:50,776 --> 01:39:53,237
Filmed in Wellington,
where I was living at the time.

1990
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,407
In New Zealand, we have this
ability to shoot things here

1991
01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:57,700
and pretend they're in the States.

1992
01:39:57,783 --> 01:39:59,785
That's a pretty cool trick.
And we do it a lot.

1993
01:39:59,868 --> 01:40:03,414
<i>The Frighteners</i>, which I really enjoyed,
design-wise, it was really satisfying.

1994
01:40:03,497 --> 01:40:07,584
It was really great to watch the form
moving under the wallpaper and stuff.

1995
01:40:11,630 --> 01:40:13,549
In <i>Braindead</i>, it was all in camera.

1996
01:40:13,632 --> 01:40:16,802
<i>Heavenly creatures</i> came along
and they started to experiment

1997
01:40:16,885 --> 01:40:18,762
with what digital could do.

1998
01:40:18,846 --> 01:40:20,848
And then <i>The Frighteners</i> was the next step

1999
01:40:20,931 --> 01:40:24,852
where it was looking really seamless
and impressive.

2000
01:40:27,396 --> 01:40:30,941
<i>The Frighteners</i> is finally getting,
I think, the love it deserves.

2001
01:40:31,025 --> 01:40:33,360
It did okay when it was released,

2002
01:40:33,444 --> 01:40:36,447
but I think a lot of people didn't know
what to take from it.

2003
01:40:36,530 --> 01:40:39,074
And then the studio didn't
really know how to market it.

2004
01:40:39,158 --> 01:40:44,121
It was up against the juggernaut
that was <i>ID4</i>, <i>Independence Day</i>,

2005
01:40:44,204 --> 01:40:45,456
which everyone saw.

2006
01:40:45,539 --> 01:40:47,583
And then it opened on the same day
as the Summer Olympics.

2007
01:40:47,666 --> 01:40:50,377
And so it just didn't have a chance.
It got clobbered right away.

2008
01:40:50,461 --> 01:40:52,880
<i>You are such an asshole.</i>

2009
01:40:52,963 --> 01:40:57,134
<i>Yes, I am. I'm an asshole with an Uzi.</i>

2010
01:40:57,217 --> 01:41:00,637
I don't doubt for a minute that
he's still a dedicated fan to the genre.

2011
01:41:00,721 --> 01:41:03,515
Peter Jackson always, in his head,
knew the tone of this film.

2012
01:41:03,599 --> 01:41:04,933
He knew how it was gonna succeed.

2013
01:41:05,017 --> 01:41:07,853
I saw it in the cinema at the premiere,
actually, with Peter.

2014
01:41:07,936 --> 01:41:09,897
I just watched it as a fan.
I really enjoyed it.

2015
01:41:09,980 --> 01:41:12,983
<i>They don't call me </i>
<i>the “hanging judge” for nothing.</i>

2016
01:41:19,865 --> 01:41:24,119
<i>- Tales from the Crypt presents</i>
<i>Bordello of Blood.</i>

2017
01:41:24,161 --> 01:41:26,705
Alan Katz and I finished
with <i>Demon Knight</i>,

2018
01:41:26,789 --> 01:41:29,333
and right away Universal says,
"What's the next one?"

2019
01:41:29,374 --> 01:41:31,960
And Alan and I had read a script
called, "Fat Tuesday".

2020
01:41:32,044 --> 01:41:35,255
It wasn't terribly right on the money,
but it was close.

2021
01:41:35,339 --> 01:41:37,466
And so we rewrote it
and called it, "Dead Easy".

2022
01:41:37,549 --> 01:41:39,843
And Universal said,
"Great, let's go make it."

2023
01:41:39,927 --> 01:41:42,346
We go to New Orleans,
where it's gonna take place.

2024
01:41:42,429 --> 01:41:45,390
We're looking at locations
and we get a call from Joel Silver.

2025
01:41:45,474 --> 01:41:47,726
They want to do another movie
that Bob Zemeckis

2026
01:41:47,810 --> 01:41:49,812
and Bob Gale wrote that they bought.

2027
01:41:49,895 --> 01:41:51,146
It's called, "<i>Bordello of Blood</i>".

2028
01:41:51,230 --> 01:41:52,940
<i>-Hi, boys.</i>
<i>-Hey, girl.</i>

2029
01:41:54,441 --> 01:41:56,568
<i>How would you like to take</i>
<i>the Skin Express to Tuna Town?</i>

2030
01:41:56,652 --> 01:41:59,363
"You need to rewrite it
in three weeks with Alan,

2031
01:41:59,446 --> 01:42:01,657
and you start shooting
in three weeks in Vancouver."

2032
01:42:01,740 --> 01:42:03,826
And we're like, "Is this a joke, Joel?

2033
01:42:03,909 --> 01:42:05,828
Is this-- is this supposed to be funny?"

2034
01:42:05,953 --> 01:42:08,288
"Just get on the plane.
Get out of there. Stop spending money."

2035
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:10,124
And that's how <i>Bordello of Blood</i>

2036
01:42:10,207 --> 01:42:12,376
became the second
<i>Tales from the Crypt</i> movie.

2037
01:42:15,129 --> 01:42:18,799
Universal paid Bob and Bob
a half a million dollars for that script,

2038
01:42:18,882 --> 01:42:22,386
and it was a time when Steven Spielberg
had just started DreamWorks.

2039
01:42:22,469 --> 01:42:26,014
Universal was afraid that Bob
was gonna go over to DreamWorks

2040
01:42:26,098 --> 01:42:28,225
and they were gonna lose
Bob Zemeckis off the lot.

2041
01:42:28,308 --> 01:42:32,396
<i>This here is the most horrible woman</i>
<i>the world has ever known.</i>

2042
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:33,772
<i>And she's all mine.</i>

2043
01:42:33,856 --> 01:42:38,277
Now, I guess it's my fault in a way
that I had the opportunity to say no.

2044
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,989
I mean, I could have just walked away
from that script, but I didn't want to,

2045
01:42:42,072 --> 01:42:44,158
because I thought, I may never
get the opportunity

2046
01:42:44,241 --> 01:42:46,285
to direct a <i>Tales from the Crypt</i> movie.

2047
01:42:46,368 --> 01:42:47,995
And so I said, "Okay, we'll do it."

2048
01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:55,794
We have a podcast called,
"<i>How Not to Make a Movie</i>",

2049
01:42:55,878 --> 01:42:59,131
and it started, because Alan said,
"We should tell the story."

2050
01:42:59,214 --> 01:43:02,092
And it was relatively,
I think, good therapy.

2051
01:43:02,801 --> 01:43:08,473
<i>I know a place you can get</i>
<i>the best goddamn piece of ass.</i>

2052
01:43:08,557 --> 01:43:10,517
<i>Bordello of Blood</i> had an interesting cast.

2053
01:43:10,601 --> 01:43:11,935
It had Phil Fondacaro.

2054
01:43:12,019 --> 01:43:14,813
<i>The mother of all vampires!</i>

2055
01:43:14,897 --> 01:43:16,940
My favorite.

2056
01:43:17,024 --> 01:43:19,109
And then Angie Everhart.

2057
01:43:19,193 --> 01:43:22,821
<i>I just love a man who gives you head</i>
<i>and lets you keep it.</i>

2058
01:43:22,905 --> 01:43:23,906
Eric Eleniak.

2059
01:43:23,989 --> 01:43:25,365
<i>A whore house?</i>

2060
01:43:25,449 --> 01:43:27,826
<i>A house inhabited by whores.</i>

2061
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:29,369
Chris Sarandon played the preacher.

2062
01:43:29,453 --> 01:43:31,079
He was a delight to work with as well.

2063
01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:34,374
<i>Vile, pernicious,</i>
<i>disgusting little harlot.</i>

2064
01:43:34,458 --> 01:43:35,500
<i>You're not so bad yourself.</i>

2065
01:43:35,584 --> 01:43:37,294
We had Corey Feldman in the cast.

2066
01:43:37,377 --> 01:43:40,756
<i>Hey baby, don't touch me</i>
<i>unless you love me.</i>

2067
01:43:40,839 --> 01:43:42,382
<i>Come on, dude. Let's party.</i>

2068
01:43:42,466 --> 01:43:45,385
- Corey just nailed it
and he was just delightful.

2069
01:43:45,469 --> 01:43:48,513
One of the stars of <i>Demon Knight</i>,
Bill Sadler.

2070
01:43:48,597 --> 01:43:53,101
<i>And then she rips his face off</i>
<i>and she eats him.</i>

2071
01:43:53,185 --> 01:43:55,479
"We'll put him in the wraparound
with the Crypt Keeper,

2072
01:43:55,562 --> 01:43:59,358
and that should be, I think,
very, very exciting for the fans."

2073
01:43:59,441 --> 01:44:02,277
<i>He'd give his left nut</i>
<i>to work with me, I know.</i>

2074
01:44:02,361 --> 01:44:05,447
<i>I'd give my left nut</i>
<i>for this lunch to be over.</i>

2075
01:44:05,530 --> 01:44:09,117
And the lead, of course,
was a stand-up comic, Dennis Miller.

2076
01:44:09,201 --> 01:44:10,661
<i>Last call, let's get it.</i>

2077
01:44:12,746 --> 01:44:13,622
<i>Cha-ching.</i>

2078
01:44:13,705 --> 01:44:17,209
Dennis Miller, he said, you know,
"I have an HBO show on Friday nights,

2079
01:44:17,292 --> 01:44:19,253
so I'm not gonna be shooting Fridays.

2080
01:44:19,336 --> 01:44:21,213
And I only work an eight-hour day."

2081
01:44:21,296 --> 01:44:23,090
And I would go, "No.

2082
01:44:23,173 --> 01:44:25,884
And nobody in this business works
an eight-hour day."

2083
01:44:25,968 --> 01:44:27,052
So that's how it started.

2084
01:44:27,135 --> 01:44:28,512
Then he didn't like the script,
and he said,

2085
01:44:28,595 --> 01:44:31,473
"I can't remember these lines,
so I'm just gonna make up lines.

2086
01:44:31,556 --> 01:44:34,643
And then you'll edit them."
I go, "No."

2087
01:44:34,726 --> 01:44:36,770
And he wound up doing mainly that anyway.

2088
01:44:36,853 --> 01:44:38,897
<i>Guess where you've just landed, lover?</i>

2089
01:44:38,981 --> 01:44:40,399
<i>Larry Flynt's id?</i>

2090
01:44:40,482 --> 01:44:43,610
So it was a terrible punching bag
kind of relationship with him.

2091
01:44:43,694 --> 01:44:45,153
-Uh-huh.
-You comfy?

2092
01:44:45,237 --> 01:44:46,446
Mm-hmm.

2093
01:44:48,532 --> 01:44:51,493
<i>Bordello of Blood</i>, you know,
it was the worst experience in my career.

2094
01:44:51,576 --> 01:44:52,703
It was just terrible.

2095
01:44:52,786 --> 01:44:54,871
We had problems in every respect.

2096
01:44:54,955 --> 01:44:57,916
We had problems with crewing.
We had problems with casting.

2097
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,377
Once we did get cast,
we had problems with shooting.

2098
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:02,754
It was just the worst experience
I've ever had.

2099
01:45:05,007 --> 01:45:07,009
<i>You wanna try to keep it</i>
<i>down here, please?</i>

2100
01:45:07,092 --> 01:45:08,051
<i>I'm trying to rest.</i>

2101
01:45:08,135 --> 01:45:11,054
"Dennis, you know, you've given me
a rough time the entire shoot,

2102
01:45:11,138 --> 01:45:13,015
from the very first day that you got here.

2103
01:45:13,098 --> 01:45:16,268
It's been like pulling teeth
with you every bloody day."

2104
01:45:16,351 --> 01:45:19,479
At the end of the movie, though,
he came over and thanked me

2105
01:45:19,563 --> 01:45:22,607
and said, "You know,
if my wife and I invite you up

2106
01:45:22,691 --> 01:45:26,486
to Santa Barbara for dinner,
you and your wife will come up, right?"

2107
01:45:26,570 --> 01:45:29,114
And I said, "No, I don't think so."

2108
01:45:29,197 --> 01:45:30,282
That's how we ended it.

2109
01:45:30,365 --> 01:45:31,616
<i>Can we talk about this?</i>

2110
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:35,329
<i>As far as I'm concerned,</i>
<i>you and I are through.</i>

2111
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:36,788
After we shot it and it came out,

2112
01:45:36,872 --> 01:45:39,666
I just wiped it off
out of my mind, pretty much.

2113
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:42,419
It was that painful an experience.
It really was.

2114
01:45:42,502 --> 01:45:44,004
<i>First I'll rip your dick off.</i>

2115
01:45:44,087 --> 01:45:47,507
<i>Then I'm gonna grind your balls</i>
<i>into guacamole.</i>

2116
01:45:47,591 --> 01:45:49,343
The 20th anniversary of the movie.

2117
01:45:49,426 --> 01:45:52,095
Here in Vancouver,
there's a theater called, "The Rio",

2118
01:45:52,179 --> 01:45:55,474
that has these retrospectives
and they wanted to do a screening.

2119
01:45:55,515 --> 01:45:58,894
It's sold out. I'm going, "Oh my God,
these people are out of their minds."

2120
01:45:58,977 --> 01:46:02,647
It's amazing how many people
have fond memories of that movie.

2121
01:46:02,731 --> 01:46:04,816
It's beyond understanding for me.

2122
01:46:04,900 --> 01:46:07,736
<i>I feel like I'm in a bad</i>
<i>Tales from the Crypt episode.</i>

2123
01:46:15,952 --> 01:46:19,081
<i>- The Island of Dr. Moreau.</i>

2124
01:46:19,164 --> 01:46:22,751
For me, horror is some
of the best surrealist films

2125
01:46:22,834 --> 01:46:24,044
being made, you know?

2126
01:46:24,127 --> 01:46:27,130
Looking at life and looking at existence
from a whole another side.

2127
01:46:32,844 --> 01:46:33,929
<i>Oh my God.</i>

2128
01:46:34,012 --> 01:46:37,015
The first filmed version
of <i>Island of Doctor Moreau</i>

2129
01:46:37,099 --> 01:46:39,393
by H. G. Wells was in the '30s

2130
01:46:39,476 --> 01:46:44,064
and H. G. Wells famously hated
this version, because the studio

2131
01:46:44,147 --> 01:46:46,274
put in a character called,
the "Panther Girl".

2132
01:46:46,358 --> 01:46:48,819
They wanted some love
and some kind of erotic element to it.

2133
01:46:48,902 --> 01:46:50,404
<i>What's that?</i>

2134
01:46:50,487 --> 01:46:52,656
<i>It's the house.</i>
<i>The house of pain.</i>

2135
01:46:52,739 --> 01:46:56,451
They tried to remake it again in the '70s
with Burt Lancaster and Michael York.

2136
01:46:56,535 --> 01:46:58,787
<i>I created you.</i>
<i>I created you.</i>

2137
01:46:58,870 --> 01:47:01,456
And then they thought
they would make a better,

2138
01:47:01,540 --> 01:47:03,333
more definitive version of all of that

2139
01:47:03,417 --> 01:47:06,628
<i>with The Island of Dr. Moreau</i>
starring Marlon Brando,

2140
01:47:06,711 --> 01:47:10,841
Val Kilmer, David Thewlis,
and that was a complete mess.

2141
01:47:10,924 --> 01:47:12,843
<i>Move back!</i>

2142
01:47:16,847 --> 01:47:21,143
Brando had made me curious,
but then I saw what he was doing.

2143
01:47:21,226 --> 01:47:23,478
Oh lord, lord, lord.

2144
01:47:23,562 --> 01:47:26,314
He's such a great actor,
but he did some crazy things.

2145
01:47:26,398 --> 01:47:30,402
<i>It is here on this very island</i>
<i>that I, sir,</i>

2146
01:47:30,485 --> 01:47:32,404
<i>have found the very essence of the devil.</i>

2147
01:47:32,487 --> 01:47:34,656
I am a filmmaker who worked
with Val Kilmer.

2148
01:47:34,739 --> 01:47:37,951
We are like a little club,
the directors of Val Kilmer movies,

2149
01:47:38,034 --> 01:47:40,620
because we all share
our war stories with each other.

2150
01:47:43,498 --> 01:47:44,958
<i>Not without this you don't.</i>

2151
01:47:45,041 --> 01:47:49,963
This is the Val Kilmer that thought
he was the reincarnation of Marlon Brando.

2152
01:47:50,046 --> 01:47:51,381
And he would tell me this.

2153
01:47:51,465 --> 01:47:52,883
This was the movie where he felt

2154
01:47:52,966 --> 01:47:56,094
Marlon Brando's soul entering him.
True story.

2155
01:47:56,178 --> 01:47:58,513
<i>Tell me what I need.</i>

2156
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,518
<i>Shut up! Shut up!</i>
<i>Where is it?</i>

2157
01:48:03,602 --> 01:48:05,645
That is a remarkable story in
and of itself.

2158
01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:08,482
And by the way, also ended up
becoming a terrific documentary

2159
01:48:08,565 --> 01:48:09,733
about that subject matter.

2160
01:48:09,816 --> 01:48:12,527
This was just a complete
and utter shit show.

2161
01:48:12,611 --> 01:48:17,616
<i>This is the most outrageous spectacle</i>
<i>I have ever witnessed.</i>

2162
01:48:17,699 --> 01:48:20,827
<i>I understand that I must be</i>
<i>shocking to you.</i>

2163
01:48:20,911 --> 01:48:22,579
- I was working with Richard Stanley.

2164
01:48:22,662 --> 01:48:24,498
I put out the Blu-ray of <i>Hardware</i>

2165
01:48:24,581 --> 01:48:27,125
and I plucked up the courage
to ask him like

2166
01:48:27,209 --> 01:48:30,962
what happened on <i>The Island of Dr. Moreau</i>
and he just started talking like

2167
01:48:31,046 --> 01:48:33,173
he took a big breath
and he just talked for hours

2168
01:48:33,256 --> 01:48:35,967
about what went wrong
on <i>The Island of Dr. Moreau</i>.

2169
01:48:36,051 --> 01:48:37,802
It's amazing they got a film out of it.

2170
01:48:37,886 --> 01:48:41,014
When you've got two leads
who are just not only

2171
01:48:41,097 --> 01:48:43,225
non-cooperative with the production,

2172
01:48:43,308 --> 01:48:46,102
but going out of their way
to sabotage the production,

2173
01:48:46,186 --> 01:48:49,439
that is a very difficult thing
to manage as a director

2174
01:48:49,523 --> 01:48:51,441
and the producers were halfway
across the world,

2175
01:48:51,525 --> 01:48:55,362
so these stories were coming in
from Cairns in Australia

2176
01:48:55,445 --> 01:48:57,113
that things were not going well.

2177
01:49:00,492 --> 01:49:02,077
<i>Oh, what a surprise.</i>

2178
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:03,703
<i>I didn't mean to startle you.</i>

2179
01:49:03,787 --> 01:49:08,625
They'd actually set the set an hour away
from where home base was,

2180
01:49:08,708 --> 01:49:12,420
so they lose two hours of the day
just getting to and from the set.

2181
01:49:12,504 --> 01:49:14,548
There was a lot of drugs
on the set that the extras,

2182
01:49:14,631 --> 01:49:16,925
the beast people were,
'cause they had nothing else to do.

2183
01:49:17,008 --> 01:49:18,426
They were just sitting around
in the jungle.

2184
01:49:18,510 --> 01:49:19,678
They were in full makeup.

2185
01:49:19,761 --> 01:49:21,513
So they were just partying the whole time.

2186
01:49:21,596 --> 01:49:24,683
<i>-I had a little methamphetamine,</i>
<i>some morphine, some shrooms,</i>

2187
01:49:24,766 --> 01:49:25,600
<i>and some other shit.</i>

2188
01:49:25,684 --> 01:49:27,060
<i>Keeps you coming back for more.</i>

2189
01:49:27,143 --> 01:49:32,190
The problem was that Richard and Hollywood
weren't necessarily the best bedfellows

2190
01:49:32,274 --> 01:49:35,193
and so you lose a day,
you lose millions of dollars.

2191
01:49:35,277 --> 01:49:37,320
Richard's defense is that
there were storms

2192
01:49:37,404 --> 01:49:41,866
on the island and all kinds of things
that just messed up the shooting.

2193
01:49:41,950 --> 01:49:44,327
But New Line just saw
the dailies that were coming in

2194
01:49:44,411 --> 01:49:46,788
and they didn't see Val Kilmer
in the dailies at all

2195
01:49:46,871 --> 01:49:49,207
and so they fired Richard
and they replaced him

2196
01:49:49,291 --> 01:49:50,458
with John Frankenheimer.

2197
01:49:50,542 --> 01:49:54,045
Not only did he get fired,
but he stayed on the location

2198
01:49:54,129 --> 01:49:57,048
and got himself made up
as one of the half-human

2199
01:49:57,132 --> 01:50:00,135
half-animal characters
and observed things like

2200
01:50:00,218 --> 01:50:03,972
in this very bizarre dangerous
and kind of odd way.

2201
01:50:04,055 --> 01:50:05,473
Some say to sabotage it.

2202
01:50:05,557 --> 01:50:09,185
Some say just to be there
to watch it go down in flames.

2203
01:50:09,269 --> 01:50:12,564
It is a movie where the madness infested

2204
01:50:12,647 --> 01:50:15,150
the production and the cast

2205
01:50:15,233 --> 01:50:17,444
and you actually watch it happen on film.

2206
01:50:17,527 --> 01:50:18,945
<i>Who's the animal?</i>

2207
01:50:19,029 --> 01:50:20,572
<i>Be calm, calm.</i>

2208
01:50:20,655 --> 01:50:23,575
<i>We've got to think and reason</i>
<i>this through together.</i>

2209
01:50:23,658 --> 01:50:25,368
Fairuza Balk and all.

2210
01:50:25,452 --> 01:50:28,371
No one is immune
from <i>The Island of Dr. Moreau</i>.

2211
01:50:28,455 --> 01:50:30,165
<i>I want to be like you.</i>

2212
01:50:30,248 --> 01:50:32,459
<i>I mean, how would you look</i>
<i>if you were like me?</i>

2213
01:50:34,336 --> 01:50:36,338
<i>You see?</i>
<i>I've made you smile.</i>

2214
01:50:36,421 --> 01:50:39,049
They knew that Brando
was already being difficult,

2215
01:50:39,132 --> 01:50:41,092
so they decided they needed kind

2216
01:50:41,176 --> 01:50:44,012
of a military drill sergeant
type of director.

2217
01:50:44,095 --> 01:50:45,597
John Frankenheimer fit the bill.

2218
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,558
<i>To walk on all fours,</i>

2219
01:50:48,642 --> 01:50:51,770
<i>that is the law.</i>

2220
01:50:51,811 --> 01:50:56,441
I actually really love this movie,
'cause it is just so,

2221
01:50:56,524 --> 01:50:57,901
"What the fuck?"

2222
01:50:57,984 --> 01:50:59,569
<i>Good doggy.</i>

2223
01:51:02,197 --> 01:51:06,701
It's a movie about a crazy doctor
creating craziness

2224
01:51:06,785 --> 01:51:09,704
and it itself is a crazy thing.

2225
01:51:09,788 --> 01:51:12,582
<i>Look at these people!</i>
<i>Look at him!</i>

2226
01:51:12,666 --> 01:51:15,877
So here's a movie that was
a box office disaster, right?

2227
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,506
That disaster has somehow found
its way into the zeitgeist

2228
01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:22,926
in such a strong way that
other filmmakers were inspired

2229
01:51:23,009 --> 01:51:25,679
to make movies about
what these guys had made.

2230
01:51:25,762 --> 01:51:28,181
<i>What the hell are you supposed</i>
<i>to be anyway?</i>

2231
01:51:28,264 --> 01:51:29,516
<i>It doesn't look like anything!</i>

2232
01:51:29,599 --> 01:51:31,434
I would really like to have seen
what Richard

2233
01:51:31,518 --> 01:51:33,395
would have done with it and I think it,

2234
01:51:33,478 --> 01:51:37,941
honestly, if it had gone ahead
with Jürgen Prochnow as Moreau,

2235
01:51:38,024 --> 01:51:41,528
it would have been a $5 million movie
and it probably would have got made.

2236
01:51:41,611 --> 01:51:43,321
Would it have been a masterpiece?
Who knows?

2237
01:51:43,405 --> 01:51:46,533
But it certainly wouldn't have been
the mess that it ended up being.

2238
01:51:57,085 --> 01:52:00,714
<i>- Sometimes They Come Back… Again.</i>

2239
01:52:00,797 --> 01:52:03,633
I found the idea of
<i>Sometimes They Come Back… Again</i>

2240
01:52:03,717 --> 01:52:06,594
interesting, because
of the demonic forces involved.

2241
01:52:06,678 --> 01:52:08,888
<i>Close your eyes.</i>

2242
01:52:08,972 --> 01:52:12,100
<i>Okay. Surprise!</i>

2243
01:52:12,183 --> 01:52:15,478
I had been a big fan of <i>The Exorcist</i>,
saw it a number of times.

2244
01:52:15,562 --> 01:52:17,522
I watched it one Christmas
with the family,

2245
01:52:17,605 --> 01:52:20,650
because I thought it was
a very faith-affirming film.

2246
01:52:20,734 --> 01:52:24,612
Good versus evil. The exorcism.
Conquering the devil.

2247
01:52:24,696 --> 01:52:26,740
<i>Sometimes They Come Back… Again,</i>

2248
01:52:26,823 --> 01:52:28,992
I thought, "Alright, this sounds like fun.

2249
01:52:29,075 --> 01:52:30,326
A bit crazy."

2250
01:52:30,410 --> 01:52:32,454
<i>I'm your childhood friend, Johnny!</i>

2251
01:52:33,788 --> 01:52:37,208
From the time I was hired
to the time I wound up on set

2252
01:52:37,292 --> 01:52:39,043
was a very short amount of time.

2253
01:52:39,127 --> 01:52:41,796
So basically, it was dealing
with the script itself.

2254
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:45,216
Did not delve into the hundreds
of pages of Stephen King,

2255
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:46,843
nor did I see the first one.

2256
01:52:46,926 --> 01:52:48,636
It's like, "Alright, put your boots on,

2257
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:50,805
pull up your trousers,
and appear on the set."

2258
01:52:54,392 --> 01:52:57,187
I thought it was a fascinating cast.

2259
01:52:57,228 --> 01:52:59,564
Alexis Arquette?
I didn't know what hit me.

2260
01:52:59,647 --> 01:53:01,691
I thought he was one
of the strangest human beings

2261
01:53:01,775 --> 01:53:03,067
I had ever met in my life.

2262
01:53:03,151 --> 01:53:07,572
His looks, his attitude, fascinating.
And well cast.

2263
01:53:07,655 --> 01:53:08,948
<i>Looks great on you.</i>

2264
01:53:09,032 --> 01:53:10,992
<i>Just consider it</i>
<i>an early birthday present.</i>

2265
01:53:11,075 --> 01:53:13,369
The active threat that he was.

2266
01:53:13,453 --> 01:53:16,164
I thought, "He's so strange,
what father would let him

2267
01:53:16,247 --> 01:53:17,999
into his house in the first place?"

2268
01:53:18,082 --> 01:53:19,709
<i>You're disgusting.</i>

2269
01:53:19,793 --> 01:53:21,044
<i>That's true.</i>

2270
01:53:21,127 --> 01:53:23,254
<i>But no one does a tongue tango</i>
<i>like I do, sweetheart.</i>

2271
01:53:23,338 --> 01:53:27,884
I loved working with Hilary Swank
before she became the Hilary Swank.

2272
01:53:27,967 --> 01:53:29,594
<i>What was that all about?</i>

2273
01:53:29,677 --> 01:53:30,512
<i>I don't like him.</i>

2274
01:53:30,595 --> 01:53:32,472
<i>I noticed that.</i>
<i>What's the deal?</i>

2275
01:53:32,555 --> 01:53:34,265
<i>He reminds me of someone</i>
<i>I used to know.</i>

2276
01:53:34,349 --> 01:53:37,811
A loving daughter who's put in
life-threatening circumstances,

2277
01:53:37,894 --> 01:53:41,439
up for anything, thrilled to be working
as a young actress,

2278
01:53:41,523 --> 01:53:43,483
and just a delightful human being.

2279
01:53:43,566 --> 01:53:45,068
<i>That was my grandmother's pet,</i>

2280
01:53:45,151 --> 01:53:47,529
<i>and somebody stabbed it</i>
<i>to death with a fire poker.</i>

2281
01:53:47,612 --> 01:53:50,240
<i>If you could please find out who did it,</i>
<i>we'd all feel a lot safer, okay?</i>

2282
01:53:50,323 --> 01:53:52,283
<i>Sometimes They Come Back… Again</i>

2283
01:53:52,367 --> 01:53:55,245
had a great number
of uncomfortable situations.

2284
01:53:58,206 --> 01:53:59,833
Physically and mentally,

2285
01:53:59,916 --> 01:54:02,669
physically cutting off parts
of one's own finger.

2286
01:54:03,837 --> 01:54:06,714
Fire, blood, electrocution,
et cetera, et cetera.

2287
01:54:06,798 --> 01:54:08,883
A father's worst nightmare?

2288
01:54:08,967 --> 01:54:12,637
Seeing his daughter in a sexual situation
with a demon?

2289
01:54:13,721 --> 01:54:16,224
Don't date that particular boy.

2290
01:54:16,307 --> 01:54:19,102
<i>He's bleeding like a stuck pig</i>
<i>in summertime.</i>

2291
01:54:19,185 --> 01:54:20,979
<i>There's no stopping this heavy flow.</i>

2292
01:54:21,062 --> 01:54:23,523
- Character of the father
had so much to confront.

2293
01:54:23,606 --> 01:54:25,942
He was literally saving
his daughter's life

2294
01:54:26,025 --> 01:54:28,695
and his own life, his own sanity.

2295
01:54:28,778 --> 01:54:31,489
<i>Uh-uh. Guns are not allowed.</i>

2296
01:54:31,573 --> 01:54:34,492
What I find most interesting
about dealing with the demonic

2297
01:54:34,576 --> 01:54:39,372
rather than a monster is a monster
is something outside ourselves,

2298
01:54:39,455 --> 01:54:42,917
whereas the demonic is very much
a part of human nature.

2299
01:54:44,085 --> 01:54:46,880
<i>Looks to me like a bad hair day.</i>

2300
01:54:46,963 --> 01:54:49,883
It's a very human condition
having the past revisit you

2301
01:54:49,966 --> 01:54:51,634
in an uncomfortable way.

2302
01:54:51,718 --> 01:54:52,594
<i>Catch you later.</i>

2303
01:55:03,438 --> 01:55:05,398
<i>- The Dentist.</i>

2304
01:55:05,481 --> 01:55:07,609
I did <i>L.A. Law</i>, <i>Major League</i>,

2305
01:55:07,692 --> 01:55:09,652
and then you're trying to find
what's the next thing.

2306
01:55:09,736 --> 01:55:11,863
And I've always enjoyed jumping
around a bit.

2307
01:55:11,946 --> 01:55:15,867
When I got the chance to jump
into the horror, it felt good.

2308
01:55:17,493 --> 01:55:18,620
<i>- Oh, God.</i>

2309
01:55:18,703 --> 01:55:22,123
People are generally petrified
of the dentist.

2310
01:55:22,206 --> 01:55:24,000
You're just vulnerable.
You're leaning back.

2311
01:55:24,083 --> 01:55:28,129
You're opening your mouth, which is like,
can you make yourself any more vulnerable?

2312
01:55:28,212 --> 01:55:31,007
But the guy's got sharp objects
and sounds.

2313
01:55:34,052 --> 01:55:36,137
You've got pain that
you're already trying to deal with.

2314
01:55:36,220 --> 01:55:39,891
It's the culmination
of the most bizarre experiences.

2315
01:55:41,351 --> 01:55:43,144
<i>What did you do?</i>
<i>He's bleeding!</i>

2316
01:55:43,227 --> 01:55:45,730
<i>The Dentist</i> was really interesting,

2317
01:55:45,813 --> 01:55:48,316
because you have this guy
who just wants cleanliness.

2318
01:55:48,399 --> 01:55:49,525
He wants beauty.

2319
01:55:49,609 --> 01:55:51,945
He wants everything beauti--
"I can make you beautiful."

2320
01:55:52,028 --> 01:55:57,325
<i>- I am an instrument</i>
<i>of perfection and hygiene.</i>

2321
01:55:57,408 --> 01:55:59,452
<i>The enemy of decay and corruption.</i>

2322
01:55:59,535 --> 01:56:03,915
And catches his wife doing it
with an oily, greasy pool man

2323
01:56:03,998 --> 01:56:05,291
on their anniversary.

2324
01:56:05,375 --> 01:56:09,379
Just enough for him to flip the switch
and go off the deep end, as he does.

2325
01:56:09,462 --> 01:56:11,798
<i>Dr. Feinstone! I am a dentist!</i>

2326
01:56:11,881 --> 01:56:15,593
<i>And this is my wife!</i>
<i>You filthy piece of shit!</i>

2327
01:56:15,677 --> 01:56:18,554
You don't want to be his patient that day.

2328
01:56:18,638 --> 01:56:20,098
<i>Open wide.</i>

2329
01:56:22,266 --> 01:56:25,770
The first draft of the script was
by Stuart Gordon and Dennis Paoli.

2330
01:56:25,853 --> 01:56:28,690
Charles Finch,
he added a bunch of elements.

2331
01:56:28,773 --> 01:56:31,025
I think Stuart said the scariest words

2332
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:34,070
in the English language is,
"The dentist will see you now."

2333
01:56:34,153 --> 01:56:36,322
<i>Sarah, you're up next.</i>

2334
01:56:36,406 --> 01:56:39,117
With <i>The Dentist</i>, once again,
it's no money.

2335
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,869
But what I did is
I really tried to design it,

2336
01:56:41,953 --> 01:56:43,997
'cause it was a very enclosed thing.

2337
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,040
It was just in a dental office.

2338
01:56:46,124 --> 01:56:49,127
There's no dark stuff.
It's just bright lights.

2339
01:56:49,210 --> 01:56:52,380
And so that was kind of a challenge to me.

2340
01:56:54,215 --> 01:56:57,427
Power. 'Cause as much as it pains you,
no pun intended,

2341
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:59,846
to sit back with your mouth open
and feel vulnerable,

2342
01:56:59,929 --> 01:57:03,182
to have those sharp objects
and you're the one I'm looking at.

2343
01:57:03,266 --> 01:57:04,559
That's some power right there.

2344
01:57:04,642 --> 01:57:06,227
<i>Needles really freak me out.</i>

2345
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:07,854
<i>Have you ever had nitrous oxide?</i>

2346
01:57:07,937 --> 01:57:09,772
It's very strange that these obje--

2347
01:57:09,856 --> 01:57:12,442
and they're obviously not as sharp
as they would be

2348
01:57:12,525 --> 01:57:15,570
in the dentist's office,
but you're in some-- another actor's mouth

2349
01:57:15,653 --> 01:57:18,489
and internally, you're freaking out.

2350
01:57:18,573 --> 01:57:19,574
You're angry.

2351
01:57:20,575 --> 01:57:22,160
<i>Just like Matt.</i>

2352
01:57:24,037 --> 01:57:26,914
I just basically copied
some Hitchcock scenes

2353
01:57:26,998 --> 01:57:28,666
like the <i>Dial M for Murder</i>.

2354
01:57:30,585 --> 01:57:32,378
I wanted to play up the horror.

2355
01:57:32,462 --> 01:57:36,883
And so we built a huge mouth
and so we had a giant needle

2356
01:57:36,966 --> 01:57:38,134
and we had big teeth,

2357
01:57:38,217 --> 01:57:40,595
but we could only afford
one half of the mouth.

2358
01:57:40,678 --> 01:57:42,638
We couldn't afford to build a whole mouth

2359
01:57:42,722 --> 01:57:45,558
and then flip the film to show
the other side.

2360
01:57:45,641 --> 01:57:47,268
<i>Get it out of the way, goddammit!</i>

2361
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:52,231
The beauty of the opera
and him on a stage.

2362
01:57:56,235 --> 01:57:59,781
That's where you really lean
on a director to say, "Is it too far?"

2363
01:57:59,864 --> 01:58:02,408
And I think Brian just was like,
"Bring it.

2364
01:58:02,492 --> 01:58:03,701
Just keep bringing it, man."

2365
01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:10,500
It was the most intense shoot
I've ever been on.

2366
01:58:10,583 --> 01:58:13,211
The days were just brutal. Brutal.

2367
01:58:13,294 --> 01:58:17,715
I mean the place you just had
to get to every day consistently

2368
01:58:17,799 --> 01:58:19,759
for I think what,
three weeks or something.

2369
01:58:19,842 --> 01:58:23,137
It took me a little while to dump him.

2370
01:58:23,221 --> 01:58:25,389
I like how stylish the movie is.

2371
01:58:25,473 --> 01:58:27,975
I thought that movie
was gonna be a disaster.

2372
01:58:28,059 --> 01:58:30,228
And I was really surprised when it worked.

2373
01:58:30,311 --> 01:58:34,190
I loved how the opening
with Corbin in the padded cell

2374
01:58:34,273 --> 01:58:36,109
and how he's telling the story.

2375
01:58:36,192 --> 01:58:40,279
What I liked about that was that
it just made it an unreliable narrator.

2376
01:58:40,363 --> 01:58:43,574
You don't know what happened,
because this guy's crazy.

2377
01:58:43,658 --> 01:58:46,661
<i>Leeches.</i>
<i>Blood-sucking leeches!</i>

2378
01:58:46,744 --> 01:58:49,997
My personal dentist at the time,
I'd done <i>Dentist 1</i>,

2379
01:58:50,081 --> 01:58:53,209
movie was out, and he said,
"I saw that <i>Dentist</i> movie."

2380
01:58:53,292 --> 01:58:54,544
I went, "Oh, okay."

2381
01:58:54,627 --> 01:58:57,839
He said, "Yeah, it was great."
He said, "But I've got to ask you a favor.

2382
01:58:57,922 --> 01:59:01,008
Please don't do any more
of these movies." I'm like…

2383
01:59:01,092 --> 01:59:02,260
And my mouth is wide open.

2384
01:59:02,343 --> 01:59:04,428
"What are you talking about? Ah."
I thought he was joking.

2385
01:59:04,512 --> 01:59:07,431
"We spend millions,
and millions, and millions

2386
01:59:07,515 --> 01:59:12,186
of dollars to uh-- and convince people
that dentistry is safe and it's harmless.

2387
01:59:12,270 --> 01:59:15,731
And you come along and do these movies
and destroy all of it."

2388
01:59:15,815 --> 01:59:17,650
I sort of promised him.
I said, "Yeah, no more."

2389
01:59:17,733 --> 01:59:19,068
I said, "That was--
it was too hard to do."

2390
01:59:19,152 --> 01:59:20,945
<i>Much worse than I thought, Mark.</i>

2391
01:59:21,028 --> 01:59:22,363
<i>The decay is out of control.</i>

2392
01:59:22,446 --> 01:59:24,031
Then we went and made <i>Dentist 2</i>.

2393
01:59:32,415 --> 01:59:34,709
<i>You'll never take it off.</i>

2394
01:59:34,792 --> 01:59:37,128
<i>- Stephen King's Thinner.</i>

2395
01:59:37,211 --> 01:59:40,256
Adapting a novel is a very daunting task,

2396
01:59:40,339 --> 01:59:42,091
no matter what format
you're adapting it for.

2397
01:59:42,175 --> 01:59:44,677
When you're adapting an author
like Stephen King,

2398
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:49,599
who writes such rich
and dense worlds, adapting him

2399
01:59:49,682 --> 01:59:51,893
for a feature film is fraught
with challenges.

2400
01:59:51,976 --> 01:59:54,562
And that's why you have
this spectrum of quality

2401
01:59:54,645 --> 01:59:56,689
when it comes to Stephen King adaptations.

2402
01:59:56,772 --> 01:59:58,316
It's not easy to do.

2403
01:59:58,399 --> 02:00:01,360
And sometimes even the best intentions
aren't enough

2404
02:00:01,444 --> 02:00:04,572
to contort that material
in enough of a way to get it

2405
02:00:04,655 --> 02:00:06,282
to fit onto that screen.

2406
02:00:06,365 --> 02:00:08,242
<i>-You weigh yourself?</i>
<i>-297.</i>

2407
02:00:08,326 --> 02:00:09,869
<i>Billy, you were 297 last week.</i>

2408
02:00:09,952 --> 02:00:12,330
<i>Well, it takes some time</i>
<i>for these diets to work.</i>

2409
02:00:12,413 --> 02:00:15,666
A great film doesn't get a lot
of lip service is <i>Thinner</i>,

2410
02:00:15,750 --> 02:00:19,003
Stephen King's story, directed
by Tom Holland. Fantastic.

2411
02:00:19,086 --> 02:00:20,213
<i>-To winning!</i>
<i>-To winning!</i>

2412
02:00:20,296 --> 02:00:22,048
<i>May it ever be so sweet.</i>

2413
02:00:22,131 --> 02:00:26,719
In which a very boorish,
very rotund guy runs afoul

2414
02:00:26,802 --> 02:00:28,137
of some gypsies…

2415
02:00:32,433 --> 02:00:35,519
who are able to wield a curse against him.

2416
02:00:35,603 --> 02:00:38,314
The curse being that he loses weight.

2417
02:00:39,690 --> 02:00:42,652
<i>283.</i>
<i>Somebody call Richard Simmons.</i>

2418
02:00:42,735 --> 02:00:44,153
All be so cursed, right?

2419
02:00:44,237 --> 02:00:46,072
However, this curse doesn't stop.

2420
02:00:46,155 --> 02:00:50,076
His weight loss continues
until he is a wreck of a human being.

2421
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:53,037
<i>It's not anorexia.</i>
<i>I don't have a tapeworm.</i>

2422
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:54,789
<i>I've been eating like mad</i>
<i>for over six weeks</i>

2423
02:00:54,872 --> 02:00:56,290
<i>and I'm still losing weight.</i>

2424
02:00:56,374 --> 02:00:57,833
My buddy Robert Burke is in it.

2425
02:00:57,917 --> 02:00:59,085
<i>I want to find the old guy.</i>

2426
02:00:59,168 --> 02:01:00,878
<i>Find him and tell him</i>
<i>we don't deserve this.</i>

2427
02:01:00,962 --> 02:01:04,090
<i>I want you to kill that old bastard</i>
<i>and you say it's from me.</i>

2428
02:01:04,173 --> 02:01:07,051
Michael Constantine
from <i>Room 222</i> is in it.

2429
02:01:07,134 --> 02:01:09,762
<i>I make sure something happen to them.</i>

2430
02:01:09,845 --> 02:01:13,432
<i>That justice, white man, gypsy justice.</i>

2431
02:01:13,516 --> 02:01:15,893
Michael Constantine giving Robert Burke

2432
02:01:15,977 --> 02:01:18,229
the back of his hand
and cursing him by saying…

2433
02:01:18,312 --> 02:01:19,355
<i>Thinner.</i>

2434
02:01:19,438 --> 02:01:20,731
…is pretty scary.

2435
02:01:20,815 --> 02:01:23,776
And it's a really, really enjoyable film.

2436
02:01:23,859 --> 02:01:28,197
Excellent special effects, great makeup
and really effective performances.

2437
02:01:28,281 --> 02:01:30,866
<i>-This is getting out of hand.</i>
<i>-This has been out of hand.</i>

2438
02:01:30,950 --> 02:01:33,452
<i>And I'm just the guy</i>
<i>to put it back in hand.</i>

2439
02:01:33,536 --> 02:01:36,080
- It is hard to watch in the best sense.

2440
02:01:36,163 --> 02:01:37,873
It's a very effective movie.

2441
02:01:40,042 --> 02:01:43,337
<i>Strawberry pie, mm.</i>

2442
02:01:43,421 --> 02:01:46,966
For someone growing up in the '90s
and for a Stephen King fan,

2443
02:01:47,049 --> 02:01:49,135
these things had a profound impact on me.

2444
02:01:49,218 --> 02:01:51,304
Not only as a fan,
but as someone who would

2445
02:01:51,387 --> 02:01:54,890
in another decade be making
my own adaptations.

2446
02:01:54,974 --> 02:01:58,894
I can see how all
of these examples in this era

2447
02:01:58,978 --> 02:02:01,314
made me the filmmaker that I am today.

2448
02:02:01,397 --> 02:02:04,984
<i>I'm being erased.</i>

2449
02:02:11,657 --> 02:02:14,827
- <i>Necronomicon: The Book of the Dead</i>.

2450
02:02:14,910 --> 02:02:18,247
The '90s were a good time for me
because I was able

2451
02:02:18,331 --> 02:02:22,209
to be generally working on
one movie after another.

2452
02:02:22,293 --> 02:02:26,130
<i>Mr. Lovecraft. Always a treat.</i>

2453
02:02:26,213 --> 02:02:30,217
And even stuff that I had originated
like the N<i>ecronomicon</i>

2454
02:02:30,301 --> 02:02:33,554
which was just kind of
an experiment in financing.

2455
02:02:33,637 --> 02:02:36,182
Getting the financing
from Europe and from Asia.

2456
02:02:36,265 --> 02:02:39,852
Getting a director from each one
and doing Lovecraft movie here.

2457
02:02:39,935 --> 02:02:43,647
<i>I take great pride in presenting</i>
<i>fictional possibilities</i>

2458
02:02:43,731 --> 02:02:47,193
<i>to enlighten the darkest depths</i>
<i>of experience.</i>

2459
02:02:47,276 --> 02:02:51,697
<i>Necronomicon</i> was an anthology
and that's not generally a good thing.

2460
02:02:51,781 --> 02:02:55,034
It wasn't very successful.
I had great hopes for that movie.

2461
02:02:55,117 --> 02:03:00,164
<i>You are not alone.</i>

2462
02:03:00,247 --> 02:03:03,459
<i>Necronomicon</i>
was Christophe Gans' first movie.

2463
02:03:03,542 --> 02:03:07,671
He did the opening segment
and he's a French critic of movies

2464
02:03:07,755 --> 02:03:10,591
and just has all these references.

2465
02:03:14,929 --> 02:03:17,973
And I think the episode
that I did is very off-putting.

2466
02:03:18,057 --> 02:03:21,018
<i>They took my mind.</i>

2467
02:03:21,102 --> 02:03:23,687
<i>They need us to breed.</i>

2468
02:03:23,771 --> 02:03:25,106
But I really like it.

2469
02:03:25,189 --> 02:03:27,274
I think there's some
really good stuff in it.

2470
02:03:27,358 --> 02:03:29,819
<i>Seems inhumane but we needed it</i>

2471
02:03:29,902 --> 02:03:32,780
<i>for our self-preservation</i>
<i>and it's all we can do.</i>

2472
02:03:33,948 --> 02:03:37,993
I was able to do
the body melt deterioration

2473
02:03:38,077 --> 02:03:39,620
just the way I wanted it.

2474
02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:44,875
I love that kind of stuff
and I think it's a really good one.

2475
02:03:46,252 --> 02:03:49,463
It was fun to make Jeffrey Combs
look like H. P. Lovecraft

2476
02:03:49,547 --> 02:03:51,298
and all the goofy stuff in it.

2477
02:03:51,382 --> 02:03:56,554
The Omniati monks and the great library
which was actually a mausoleum in Compton.

2478
02:03:56,637 --> 02:03:59,890
You could smell corpses in there
when we were shooting.

2479
02:03:59,974 --> 02:04:02,268
It was a little bit, you know, disgusting.

2480
02:04:02,351 --> 02:04:03,686
<i>It's coming!</i>

2481
02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:10,943
Most filmmakers are fans of anthologies,
but the audience isn't.

2482
02:04:11,026 --> 02:04:12,653
They don't like the stop and start.

2483
02:04:12,736 --> 02:04:15,156
But we got to do a lot
of really cool stuff.

2484
02:04:15,239 --> 02:04:16,198
I like that movie.

2485
02:04:16,282 --> 02:04:19,994
<i>Consider your privileges</i>
<i>revoked, Mr. Lovecraft.</i>

2486
02:04:29,378 --> 02:04:32,631
<i>Killer Tongue</i>, one of the stranger movies
I've been involved in.

2487
02:04:40,097 --> 02:04:42,391
I got the chance
to work with Chris Figg again

2488
02:04:42,475 --> 02:04:45,811
who had produced the first two
<i>Hellraiser</i> movies and <i>Nightbreed</i>.

2489
02:04:45,895 --> 02:04:51,150
He contacted me with a script,
called, "<i>La Lengua Asesina</i>",

2490
02:04:51,233 --> 02:04:52,067
<i>Killer Tongue</i>.

2491
02:04:52,151 --> 02:04:54,069
Maddest thing I've ever read.

2492
02:04:57,907 --> 02:05:01,952
In <i>Killer Tongue</i>
I play a convict called, "Wiggy".

2493
02:05:02,036 --> 02:05:05,039
Robert Englund plays the chief screw.

2494
02:05:05,122 --> 02:05:06,665
We're on a kind of chain gang.

2495
02:05:06,749 --> 02:05:08,417
<i>The fuck are you looking at, huh?</i>

2496
02:05:08,459 --> 02:05:10,294
<i>You wipe that smile off your face!</i>

2497
02:05:10,377 --> 02:05:16,342
A meteor is falling through space,
cut back to Melinda Clarke as Candy,

2498
02:05:16,425 --> 02:05:18,385
the pregnant nun, and her poodles.

2499
02:05:18,469 --> 02:05:22,139
The fragment of comet lands
in each bowl of soup.

2500
02:05:22,223 --> 02:05:26,268
And when the poodles drink the soup,
they get transformed into drag queens.

2501
02:05:26,352 --> 02:05:30,773
<i>It's us. You're bitches.</i>
<i>Remember? Little fluffy things?</i>

2502
02:05:30,856 --> 02:05:34,777
The effect that the meteor
tainted soup had on Candy,

2503
02:05:34,860 --> 02:05:38,572
Melinda Clarke's character,
was an alien in her mouth.

2504
02:05:38,656 --> 02:05:42,201
She is now possessed
of a 6-foot-long tongue

2505
02:05:42,284 --> 02:05:46,413
which has a mind of its own
and a very, very bad attitude

2506
02:05:46,497 --> 02:05:49,750
to almost everything
and everyone around her.

2507
02:05:49,833 --> 02:05:52,002
And she can't quite control it.

2508
02:05:52,086 --> 02:05:55,297
<i>-Goddamn, I'm sexy.</i>
<i>-Get out of my body.</i>

2509
02:05:55,381 --> 02:05:57,925
<i>What do you want me to do,</i>
<i>grow legs and rent an apartment?</i>

2510
02:05:58,008 --> 02:05:59,635
When I mention <i>Killer Tongue</i> to people,

2511
02:05:59,718 --> 02:06:02,513
I often hasten to point out
that it's not a porn movie.

2512
02:06:06,433 --> 02:06:08,686
Meanwhile, the rest of the comet
lands in the desert.

2513
02:06:08,769 --> 02:06:11,230
When you get very close
to the comet, it sends you

2514
02:06:11,313 --> 02:06:13,816
into throes of sexual ecstasy.

2515
02:06:13,899 --> 02:06:16,902
Unless you actually make
the mistake, as the convict

2516
02:06:16,986 --> 02:06:20,698
sitting next to me did, of touching it,
in which case you explode.

2517
02:06:22,449 --> 02:06:26,078
All out of the brilliant
and remarkable mind

2518
02:06:26,161 --> 02:06:30,374
of Alberto Sciamma, a Spanish filmmaker
who wrote and directed it.

2519
02:06:30,457 --> 02:06:33,752
We were actually filming
on the spaghetti western set.

2520
02:06:33,836 --> 02:06:36,255
The towns that were built
for fistful of dollars

2521
02:06:36,338 --> 02:06:39,049
and so forth, still standing,
which was kind of exciting.

2522
02:06:41,093 --> 02:06:43,596
This was a point at which
I still had hair.

2523
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:46,223
But I'd reached that point
where the egg in the nest

2524
02:06:46,307 --> 02:06:49,226
was very apparent
in the chain gang quarters.

2525
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:52,021
I had a little glass case
with all my wigs in.

2526
02:06:52,104 --> 02:06:54,356
This was Alberto's idea. It was brilliant.

2527
02:06:54,440 --> 02:06:57,026
So you start with a very small hair piece

2528
02:06:57,109 --> 02:07:00,571
and then it grows
as the ball spot gets bigger.

2529
02:07:00,654 --> 02:07:03,198
<i>Anybody else wanna play ball?</i>

2530
02:07:06,410 --> 02:07:08,662
For me it sits there
in the middle of the '90s

2531
02:07:08,746 --> 02:07:12,750
as a point at which
mainstream horror meets

2532
02:07:12,833 --> 02:07:15,753
the explosion of Spanish cinema.

2533
02:07:15,836 --> 02:07:18,547
The spirit of Almodóvar and all of that.

2534
02:07:18,631 --> 02:07:20,633
It is quite the maddest thing
I've ever seen.

2535
02:07:20,716 --> 02:07:23,177
And everybody should rush to see it.

2536
02:07:31,393 --> 02:07:32,936
<i>Not scared, are ya?</i>

2537
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:34,480
<i>- Scream.</i>

2538
02:07:35,981 --> 02:07:38,567
<i>Scream</i> really had everything
going against it

2539
02:07:38,651 --> 02:07:39,735
when it came to Hollywood.

2540
02:07:39,818 --> 02:07:44,156
Hollywood thought that audiences
were tired of the teen-slasher movie.

2541
02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:47,242
But combined with a script
by Kevin Williamson

2542
02:07:47,326 --> 02:07:51,163
that was so deliciously meta
and managed to adhere

2543
02:07:51,246 --> 02:07:53,582
to some of those slasher tropes
while also turning them

2544
02:07:53,666 --> 02:07:55,834
on their head,
it changed the game forever.

2545
02:07:55,918 --> 02:07:59,171
<i>-I'm getting ready to watch a video.</i>
<i>-Really? What?</i>

2546
02:07:59,254 --> 02:08:01,256
<i>Oh, just some scary movie.</i>

2547
02:08:01,340 --> 02:08:03,300
<i>-You like scary movies?</i>
<i>-Uh-huh.</i>

2548
02:08:03,384 --> 02:08:08,305
They were so lucky that Wes,
who wanted to reinvent himself again,

2549
02:08:08,389 --> 02:08:10,057
said yes to directing that movie.

2550
02:08:10,140 --> 02:08:12,476
When we first read it,
we didn't quite get it.

2551
02:08:12,559 --> 02:08:14,603
At first we were like,
"Why is Wes doing this?"

2552
02:08:14,687 --> 02:08:18,273
Not quite getting the whole meta thing
and how that was gonna play out.

2553
02:08:18,357 --> 02:08:21,694
<i>-What's your favorite scary movie?</i>
<i>-Halloween.</i>

2554
02:08:21,777 --> 02:08:23,445
<i>You know, the one with the guy</i>
<i>in the white mask</i>

2555
02:08:23,529 --> 02:08:25,406
<i>who walks around and stalks babysitters?</i>

2556
02:08:25,489 --> 02:08:29,368
Wes is the master.
Kevin is the new phenomenon.

2557
02:08:29,451 --> 02:08:32,121
So he has this beautiful,
amazing ingredients

2558
02:08:32,204 --> 02:08:34,123
and Wes is like, "I'm gonna
show you how to cook it."

2559
02:08:34,206 --> 02:08:38,585
Kevin Williamson needed Wes
to bring this incredible,

2560
02:08:38,669 --> 02:08:42,172
beautiful source material to life.

2561
02:08:45,509 --> 02:08:50,431
That original script was so true.

2562
02:08:50,514 --> 02:08:53,267
So perfectly on point.

2563
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:55,769
It was like whispers from God.

2564
02:08:55,853 --> 02:08:58,731
Everything works.
Makes sense.

2565
02:08:58,814 --> 02:09:02,151
Completely delineated
each character and spoke

2566
02:09:02,234 --> 02:09:05,237
to people as if they were feeling it.

2567
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:07,156
<i>- You never told me your name.</i>

2568
02:09:07,239 --> 02:09:08,615
<i>Why do you want to know my name?</i>

2569
02:09:08,699 --> 02:09:10,325
<i>- 'Cause I want to know</i>
<i>who I'm looking at.</i>

2570
02:09:11,827 --> 02:09:14,163
The whole Drew Barrymore prologue.

2571
02:09:14,246 --> 02:09:19,293
The idea of having a celebrity
of her stature open the movie like that.

2572
02:09:19,376 --> 02:09:21,211
And that was a kind of repurposing

2573
02:09:21,295 --> 02:09:24,506
of Alfred Hitchcock's casting
of Janet Leigh in <i>Psycho</i>.

2574
02:09:24,590 --> 02:09:28,635
I think was culturally
incredibly impactful.

2575
02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:31,513
<i>-Listen, asshole!</i>
<i>-No, you listen, you little bitch!</i>

2576
02:09:31,597 --> 02:09:34,391
<i>You hang up on me again,</i>
<i>I'll gut you like a fish. Understand?</i>

2577
02:09:34,475 --> 02:09:36,643
Wes he had just put together
the first Drew stuff

2578
02:09:36,727 --> 02:09:38,020
and he was dead tired.

2579
02:09:38,103 --> 02:09:40,355
And it was literally
shipped to Cannes.

2580
02:09:40,439 --> 02:09:42,524
He's like, "This is gonna make
or break our production,

2581
02:09:42,608 --> 02:09:44,526
because they don't understand the movie."

2582
02:09:44,610 --> 02:09:46,403
Because they didn't know what they had.

2583
02:09:49,865 --> 02:09:53,160
The essence of who they cast,
there's a wink of like,

2584
02:09:53,243 --> 02:09:54,620
"This is just a little off."

2585
02:09:54,703 --> 02:09:56,288
And that's what makes it different.

2586
02:09:56,371 --> 02:09:59,249
<i>Casey Becker and Steve Orth</i>
<i>were killed last night.</i>

2587
02:09:59,333 --> 02:10:00,709
<i>What? No way!</i>

2588
02:10:00,793 --> 02:10:01,919
<i>And we're not just talking killed.</i>

2589
02:10:02,002 --> 02:10:03,796
<i>We're talking splatter-movie killed.</i>

2590
02:10:03,879 --> 02:10:07,299
The reporter which is Courteney.
The ingénue which is Neve.

2591
02:10:07,382 --> 02:10:11,386
The sexy, mysterious,
could be killer, which is Skeet.

2592
02:10:11,470 --> 02:10:13,347
His wild best friend, which is Matt.

2593
02:10:13,430 --> 02:10:16,809
Dewey, who's our millennial
version of Barney Fife.

2594
02:10:16,892 --> 02:10:21,605
David was just playing him
and he's an eccentric wonderful person.

2595
02:10:21,688 --> 02:10:23,607
<i>You look awfully young</i>
<i>to be a police officer.</i>

2596
02:10:23,690 --> 02:10:24,983
<i>I'm 25 years old.</i>

2597
02:10:25,067 --> 02:10:27,778
<i>'Cause of my boyish good looks,</i>
<i>muscle mass has increased</i>

2598
02:10:27,861 --> 02:10:29,488
<i>my acceptance as a serious police officer.</i>

2599
02:10:29,571 --> 02:10:30,989
My character Randy,

2600
02:10:31,073 --> 02:10:34,076
just him saying the rules
of what was going on.

2601
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:36,995
<i>There are certain rules</i>
<i>that one must abide by</i>

2602
02:10:37,079 --> 02:10:39,581
<i>in order to successfully survive</i>
<i>a horror movie.</i>

2603
02:10:39,665 --> 02:10:41,834
<i>Number one, you can never have sex.</i>

2604
02:10:41,917 --> 02:10:43,877
He took these things that were in movies

2605
02:10:43,961 --> 02:10:47,756
and he made them galvanized
as the Commandments.

2606
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,843
<i>Number two, you can never drink</i>
<i>or do drugs.</i>

2607
02:10:50,926 --> 02:10:53,053
<i>And number three, never say,</i>

2608
02:10:53,136 --> 02:10:54,930
<i>"I'll be right back."</i>
<i>'Cause you won't be back.</i>

2609
02:10:55,013 --> 02:10:57,474
Everyone was super inclusive.
Wes would arrange a dinner.

2610
02:10:57,558 --> 02:10:59,101
Courteney would arrange wine.

2611
02:10:59,184 --> 02:11:02,104
Neve would have like little get-togethers
after long days of shoot in her room.

2612
02:11:02,187 --> 02:11:03,564
Dave would have parties.

2613
02:11:03,647 --> 02:11:07,109
Matt and Skeet would set up like, we would
play sports. I mean, it was amazing.

2614
02:11:07,192 --> 02:11:09,736
<i>- How come Jamie Lee Curtis is</i>
<i>in all of these movies?</i>

2615
02:11:09,820 --> 02:11:12,072
<i>She's the scream queen.</i>

2616
02:11:12,155 --> 02:11:14,825
<i>With a set of lungs like that</i>
<i>she should be.</i>

2617
02:11:14,908 --> 02:11:18,036
Wes wasn't just shooting it,
he knew exactly the edits.

2618
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:21,081
He would say, "I'm gonna edit this here.
I've got the music's thing there.

2619
02:11:21,164 --> 02:11:23,375
Okay. I've got the fear part here."

2620
02:11:23,458 --> 02:11:26,003
He would say this stuff
and it was a puzzle to him.

2621
02:11:26,086 --> 02:11:27,921
<i>-Damn little shits.</i>
<i>-What'd you call me?</i>

2622
02:11:28,005 --> 02:11:30,841
I had no preconceptions of horror movies.

2623
02:11:30,924 --> 02:11:33,427
In fact, Wes taught me a lot
about how to approach scenes.

2624
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:36,722
About how to maybe go quiet
before something big is gonna happen.

2625
02:11:36,805 --> 02:11:38,432
It puts the audience more on edge.

2626
02:11:42,477 --> 02:11:45,314
He would encourage me to explore.
That's really what he did.

2627
02:11:45,397 --> 02:11:47,274
He encouraged the creative aspect.

2628
02:11:47,357 --> 02:11:49,651
The <i>Red Right Hand</i> song,
the Nick Cave song

2629
02:11:49,735 --> 02:11:53,322
was really formative for Wes Craven
in the movie.

2630
02:11:53,405 --> 02:11:57,409
<i>♪ Designed and directed</i>
<i>by his red right hand ♪</i>

2631
02:11:57,492 --> 02:12:02,497
That inspired me to also work outside
just an orchestral framework.

2632
02:12:02,581 --> 02:12:06,084
Sidney's theme, I felt an affinity
with the Sidney character.

2633
02:12:06,168 --> 02:12:08,795
I think Wes really appreciated
that I was trying to go

2634
02:12:08,879 --> 02:12:10,464
for this more human approach

2635
02:12:10,547 --> 02:12:13,383
rather than just a kind
of ticking-clock type of score.

2636
02:12:13,467 --> 02:12:16,386
One of the most, if not
the most iconic kill is Rose.

2637
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:18,138
Rose through the doggy door.

2638
02:12:21,558 --> 02:12:23,769
Commenting on it without commenting on it.

2639
02:12:23,852 --> 02:12:27,522
<i>No, please don't kill me, Mr. Ghostface.</i>
<i>I want to be in the sequel.</i>

2640
02:12:27,606 --> 02:12:31,526
And dying in a unique way,
that to me was a real tone setter.

2641
02:12:34,613 --> 02:12:36,823
Watching a movie about horror movies

2642
02:12:36,907 --> 02:12:39,201
and watching people get killed
in a horror movie

2643
02:12:39,284 --> 02:12:41,995
and you're watching these people
watch that happen.

2644
02:12:42,079 --> 02:12:45,248
It is almost like
you're part of that group

2645
02:12:45,332 --> 02:12:46,917
in the living room with us.

2646
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:48,627
That was just never done before.

2647
02:12:48,669 --> 02:12:50,212
<i>-Ooh, ooh!</i>
<i>-Yes, yes!</i>

2648
02:12:50,295 --> 02:12:52,339
Skeet's behind me and I'm watching

2649
02:12:52,422 --> 02:12:56,802
Jamie Lee Curtis and I'm going,
"Jamie, look behind you."

2650
02:12:56,885 --> 02:13:00,263
<i>Jamie, look behind you.</i>
<i>Look behind you.</i>

2651
02:13:00,347 --> 02:13:03,809
So the fact that my name just happens
to be Jamie, the actor.

2652
02:13:03,892 --> 02:13:06,186
I-- when I did that, I'll never forget it.

2653
02:13:06,269 --> 02:13:08,563
And Wes goes, he's like, "Easter egg."

2654
02:13:08,647 --> 02:13:10,983
He had no known that the gods,
the universe,

2655
02:13:11,066 --> 02:13:12,401
the powers had aligned.

2656
02:13:12,484 --> 02:13:13,777
<i>Behind you.</i>

2657
02:13:13,860 --> 02:13:16,571
And that's the only time
in the whole franchise

2658
02:13:16,655 --> 02:13:19,074
that Skeet put the costume on
to kill someone.

2659
02:13:19,157 --> 02:13:20,617
The rest of the time, it's stunt guys.

2660
02:13:22,911 --> 02:13:25,998
The first time I'd heard that
it was screening.

2661
02:13:26,081 --> 02:13:29,960
I want to say it was in Poughkeepsie.
Poughkeepsie, New York.

2662
02:13:30,043 --> 02:13:31,253
So they were playing for real people.

2663
02:13:31,336 --> 02:13:34,464
And apparently Wes said,
we had an amazing screening.

2664
02:13:37,926 --> 02:13:40,429
Some people screamed.
Some people laughed.

2665
02:13:40,512 --> 02:13:42,681
But they were completely
engulfed in the movie.

2666
02:13:42,764 --> 02:13:45,642
And I said, "Holy shit.
People are liking this."

2667
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:50,272
We opened to 6 million.

2668
02:13:50,355 --> 02:13:52,774
Then the next week, we kept going up.

2669
02:13:52,858 --> 02:13:54,484
It's just the superest, rarest thing.

2670
02:13:54,568 --> 02:13:58,947
The trajectory is always down.
And it started going nuts.

2671
02:13:59,740 --> 02:14:01,616
<i>We all go a little mad sometimes.</i>

2672
02:14:01,700 --> 02:14:03,618
What makes <i>Scream</i>,
not just a horror movie.

2673
02:14:03,702 --> 02:14:05,162
Forget it.
It's not just a movie.

2674
02:14:05,245 --> 02:14:09,249
It's a pop culture phenomenon
that is only getting bigger by the day.

2675
02:14:09,332 --> 02:14:13,211
I knew it would leave a mark.
I knew it would be interesting.

2676
02:14:13,295 --> 02:14:18,258
But I didn't-- I could not predict
the veracity of what it is.

2677
02:14:18,341 --> 02:14:23,430
I mean, Ghostface is almost
a spiritual being at this point.

2678
02:14:23,513 --> 02:14:25,307
And it's incredible.

2679
02:14:25,390 --> 02:14:29,603
And it's obviously super humbling
to be a part of something like that.

2680
02:14:29,686 --> 02:14:31,146
<i>I'll be right back!</i>

2681
02:14:31,188 --> 02:14:33,023
<i>Oh!</i>

2682
02:14:33,565 --> 02:14:39,446
SCORE VS. SOUNDTRACK:
THE MUSIC OF '90S HORROR

2683
02:14:39,488 --> 02:14:42,991
Soundtracks, of course, are so important
to the films themselves.

2684
02:14:43,075 --> 02:14:46,411
But the '90s was perhaps
the peak of the integration

2685
02:14:46,495 --> 02:14:48,371
with a pop culture soundtrack.

2686
02:14:48,455 --> 02:14:50,624
Bands that you know with the film.

2687
02:14:53,877 --> 02:14:59,299
The '80s into the '90s was a great time
for music and movies.

2688
02:14:59,382 --> 02:15:02,260
And it was another way
of promoting your film.

2689
02:15:02,344 --> 02:15:03,470
<i>That's more like it.</i>

2690
02:15:03,553 --> 02:15:07,474
<i>♪ Well, sweet a little sista's</i>
<i>high in hell cheatin' on a halo ♪</i>

2691
02:15:07,557 --> 02:15:11,186
This was a period
where the soundtrack album became massive.

2692
02:15:11,269 --> 02:15:12,312
With <i>Pulp Fiction</i>,

2693
02:15:12,395 --> 02:15:15,315
Tarantino had a huge influence
on a lot of us.

2694
02:15:15,398 --> 02:15:17,943
And he had all these classic needle drops.

2695
02:15:18,026 --> 02:15:20,946
Uma Thurman dancing to Urge Overkill.

2696
02:15:21,029 --> 02:15:24,282
Playing a Neil Diamond riff
in a Quentin Tarantino movie,

2697
02:15:24,366 --> 02:15:26,451
merging the old and the new together

2698
02:15:26,535 --> 02:15:29,121
in a way you didn't know
you always wanted.

2699
02:15:29,204 --> 02:15:32,707
<i>♪ You'll be a woman soon ♪</i>

2700
02:15:32,791 --> 02:15:34,626
Well, the studios realized
quickly after that

2701
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:36,753
that this was a major
marketing possibility.

2702
02:15:36,837 --> 02:15:39,714
Whether or not it was on MTV or radio.

2703
02:15:39,798 --> 02:15:42,300
♪ <i>Deepest, bluest, my hat</i>
<i>is like a shark's fin ♪</i>

2704
02:15:42,384 --> 02:15:44,678
♪ <i>Deepest, bluest, my hat</i>
<i>is like a shark's fin ♪</i>

2705
02:15:44,761 --> 02:15:46,680
The studios really wanted
to take advantage

2706
02:15:46,763 --> 02:15:49,724
of popular music
or a certain kind of music

2707
02:15:49,808 --> 02:15:53,186
on a soundtrack with a classic score
and it worked.

2708
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:55,856
We got a lot of great soundtracks
from the '90s.

2709
02:15:55,939 --> 02:16:00,694
<i>♪ She's a lot like you,</i>
<i>the dangerous type ♪</i>

2710
02:16:00,777 --> 02:16:04,656
<i>The Craft</i>,<i> The Crow</i>, <i>Blade</i>,
like those are soundtracks

2711
02:16:04,739 --> 02:16:06,658
that I still listen to to this day.

2712
02:16:06,741 --> 02:16:11,955
<i>♪ Dream the crow black dream ♪</i>

2713
02:16:11,997 --> 02:16:15,333
<i>Jawbreaker</i> had Imperial Teen in it
and it was spot on.

2714
02:16:15,458 --> 02:16:18,920
You cannot think of <i>Jawbreaker</i>
without hearing that song in your head.

2715
02:16:19,004 --> 02:16:20,589
<i>♪ She said yoo-hoo ♪</i>

2716
02:16:20,672 --> 02:16:22,465
<i>♪ Ah yoo-hoo, ah yoo-hoo ♪</i>

2717
02:16:22,549 --> 02:16:27,512
I remember a lot of like '90s grunge music
being in <i>I Know What You Did Last Summer</i>.

2718
02:16:27,596 --> 02:16:31,183
<i>- Stop screaming and listen to</i>
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer,</i>

2719
02:16:31,266 --> 02:16:34,811
<i>the album, out now</i>
<i>on Columbia CDs and cassettes.</i>

2720
02:16:34,895 --> 02:16:38,190
A lot of the soundtracks
of the era actually had a cover

2721
02:16:38,273 --> 02:16:40,859
or two of an older song as its big hook.

2722
02:16:40,942 --> 02:16:45,280
But then it was also an opportunity
for these record labels to kind of sneak

2723
02:16:45,363 --> 02:16:46,990
lesser-known bands in on it.

2724
02:16:47,073 --> 02:16:49,576
As a result you had a readymade mixtape.

2725
02:16:49,659 --> 02:16:52,329
All of our soundtracks
were loaded with new bands

2726
02:16:52,412 --> 02:16:55,081
and loaded with alternative bands,
'cause alternative was the thing.

2727
02:16:58,543 --> 02:17:00,837
It was about selling the movie,
but it was also about

2728
02:17:00,921 --> 02:17:03,590
selling the soundtrack
to the point where we actually

2729
02:17:03,673 --> 02:17:06,551
talk about the band Garbage
in the movie.

2730
02:17:06,635 --> 02:17:09,721
<i>-You like Garbage?</i>
<i>-Oh yeah, Shirley Manson, she rocks.</i>

2731
02:17:09,804 --> 02:17:13,767
<i>Strangeland</i>, my son Jesse
who was 15 at the time

2732
02:17:13,850 --> 02:17:17,312
he was very involved
in choosing the music for the movie,

2733
02:17:17,395 --> 02:17:19,856
'cause he was much more familiar
with the newer bands.

2734
02:17:19,940 --> 02:17:22,609
A band like System of a Down,
they were unknown.

2735
02:17:22,692 --> 02:17:26,112
The soundtrack was bigger
at the time than the movie was.

2736
02:17:26,196 --> 02:17:27,447
It was a hell of a soundtrack.

2737
02:17:27,530 --> 02:17:31,826
<i>It's time to expand</i>
<i>your spiritual horizons.</i>

2738
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:34,579
My first movie, <i>Shopping</i>,
was partly financed,

2739
02:17:34,663 --> 02:17:37,082
because we actually put together
the soundtrack album

2740
02:17:37,165 --> 02:17:38,583
before we even put together the movie.

2741
02:17:38,667 --> 02:17:43,004
And we brought on bands
like Jesus Jones, EMF, Orbital.

2742
02:17:45,507 --> 02:17:46,925
I loved Orbital.

2743
02:17:47,008 --> 02:17:50,595
They were part of this kind
of young techno wave

2744
02:17:50,679 --> 02:17:53,765
that were coming out of Europe
that the studio didn't quite get.

2745
02:17:53,848 --> 02:17:56,184
When I'd done <i>Mortal Kombat</i>,
which was the movie I did before

2746
02:17:56,268 --> 02:17:58,895
<i>Event Horizon</i>, you know,
I put an entire kind

2747
02:17:58,979 --> 02:18:01,314
of house techno soundtrack on that movie.

2748
02:18:01,398 --> 02:18:03,024
<i>♪ Mortal Kombat ♪</i>

2749
02:18:06,027 --> 02:18:08,238
Studio freaked out.
They didn't like it at all.

2750
02:18:08,321 --> 02:18:09,781
So I had to really fight for that.

2751
02:18:09,864 --> 02:18:12,450
Ultimately, they were glad that
we did go that direction,

2752
02:18:12,534 --> 02:18:15,245
because the soundtrack album
went platinum.

2753
02:18:15,328 --> 02:18:17,914
I was pushing in that direction
for <i>Event Horizon</i>.

2754
02:18:17,956 --> 02:18:20,959
The last track in the movie
is <i>The Prodigy</i>.

2755
02:18:23,586 --> 02:18:26,131
They said, "No, you can't end
the movie like that."

2756
02:18:26,214 --> 02:18:29,634
And then the track got released
in America, became huge.

2757
02:18:29,718 --> 02:18:31,428
And then the studio were like,
"Oh yeah, we like it.

2758
02:18:31,511 --> 02:18:32,637
We like that idea."

2759
02:18:32,721 --> 02:18:34,723
And of course, at that point,
once the track had become huge,

2760
02:18:34,806 --> 02:18:36,975
it cost five times as much
as we could have bought it

2761
02:18:37,058 --> 02:18:38,685
for a couple of weeks beforehand.

2762
02:18:38,768 --> 02:18:39,978
That was another thing that killed me.

2763
02:18:40,061 --> 02:18:42,772
Like the budgets for, you know,
just one song being more

2764
02:18:42,856 --> 02:18:44,190
than the whole scoring budget.

2765
02:18:44,274 --> 02:18:48,320
<i>♪ We don't need no education ♪</i>

2766
02:18:48,403 --> 02:18:52,574
Music supervisors hired usually
by the studio or someone.

2767
02:18:52,615 --> 02:18:55,660
Because to get songs in a movie,
it's a lot of work.

2768
02:18:55,744 --> 02:18:57,787
The artists have to approach the label.

2769
02:18:57,871 --> 02:19:00,957
Sometimes they want to use,
not the song in complete,

2770
02:19:01,041 --> 02:19:02,042
but they want to use parts.

2771
02:19:02,125 --> 02:19:04,044
Can they break it up?
Can they get stems from it?

2772
02:19:04,127 --> 02:19:06,963
Meaning, can they use parts
of the song without the vocal?

2773
02:19:07,047 --> 02:19:08,173
Or can they remix it?

2774
02:19:08,256 --> 02:19:10,216
Figuring out a license for that.
Figuring out the budgets.

2775
02:19:10,300 --> 02:19:12,135
"How much can we spend on this?"

2776
02:19:12,218 --> 02:19:13,595
You know, it's not just straightforward

2777
02:19:13,678 --> 02:19:15,430
as, "Hey, can we use your song
in the movie?"

2778
02:19:15,513 --> 02:19:18,224
<i>Now, get focused!</i>
<i>Or get the fuck off my team!</i>

2779
02:19:18,308 --> 02:19:20,810
There are ways songs can do
things that score can't.

2780
02:19:20,894 --> 02:19:23,646
Classical and rock,
if you pick the right pieces,

2781
02:19:23,730 --> 02:19:25,940
can really work together really well.

2782
02:19:26,024 --> 02:19:30,445
- Think of <i>The Crow</i> original soundtrack
with bands like Pantera and Filter.

2783
02:19:30,528 --> 02:19:32,155
And it was the kind of music I understood.

2784
02:19:32,238 --> 02:19:34,699
I could come in and say,
"Look, I can write a score

2785
02:19:34,783 --> 02:19:37,702
where the intros and outros are the songs.

2786
02:19:37,786 --> 02:19:40,288
I can make it sound like
it's all meant to be there."

2787
02:19:40,372 --> 02:19:44,167
The score album is all the other elements
that aren't songs.

2788
02:19:44,250 --> 02:19:48,838
The soundtrack album of <i>The Crow</i>,
which I also had a song at the end of,

2789
02:19:48,922 --> 02:19:51,132
sold 3 million records at some point.

2790
02:19:51,216 --> 02:19:54,636
And the score album had sold
1 million records, which was a shock.

2791
02:19:54,719 --> 02:19:56,596
And my lawyer said to me,
"Well, obviously,

2792
02:19:56,679 --> 02:19:59,641
all those 1 million people
bought yours by mistake.

2793
02:19:59,724 --> 02:20:01,726
They were looking for the other one."

2794
02:20:01,810 --> 02:20:02,811
"Fuck you."

2795
02:20:03,937 --> 02:20:06,064
It could be true,
but I'm never going to admit it.

2796
02:20:06,147 --> 02:20:08,608
It was very hard
to find these horror scores.

2797
02:20:08,691 --> 02:20:11,236
And so you'd have
to really know where to look.

2798
02:20:11,319 --> 02:20:15,198
A score for something like <i>Scream</i>,
you could find the soundtrack everywhere,

2799
02:20:15,281 --> 02:20:18,284
but you can't find that
Marco Beltrami score anywhere.

2800
02:20:21,162 --> 02:20:24,666
Varèse Sarabande was always
the sort of go-to label

2801
02:20:24,749 --> 02:20:27,335
if you wanted the--
particularly obscure films.

2802
02:20:27,419 --> 02:20:29,087
A lot of stuff sounds the same.

2803
02:20:29,170 --> 02:20:32,632
Like there was a lot of John Williams
wannabe type of music.

2804
02:20:32,715 --> 02:20:35,760
Wes Craven, he helped me a lot
with how I score.

2805
02:20:35,844 --> 02:20:39,597
The <i>Scream</i> movies were bigger,
bombastic type of scores,

2806
02:20:39,681 --> 02:20:40,890
so it had to be a ride.

2807
02:20:40,974 --> 02:20:44,352
Wasn't just like one particular style,
it was all over the map.

2808
02:20:47,272 --> 02:20:50,984
Wes was really tapped
into the teen zeitgeist.

2809
02:20:51,067 --> 02:20:52,777
He would encourage me to explore.

2810
02:20:52,861 --> 02:20:54,112
Film is telling a story.

2811
02:20:54,195 --> 02:20:58,491
It is trying to propound
certain emotions or surprise.

2812
02:21:00,743 --> 02:21:02,662
Especially in horror movies,
a lot of red herrings.

2813
02:21:05,665 --> 02:21:07,667
I look for that core of humanity,

2814
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:09,794
or who's going through
the drama, who's trying

2815
02:21:09,878 --> 02:21:12,422
to find redemption or overcome
whatever it is.

2816
02:21:12,505 --> 02:21:14,674
<i>Legal troubles over copyright</i>
<i>infringements</i>

2817
02:21:14,757 --> 02:21:16,384
<i>aren't slowing down Napster.</i>

2818
02:21:16,468 --> 02:21:19,220
<i>The song swapping company is now</i>
<i>in the top 50 list</i>

2819
02:21:19,304 --> 02:21:21,014
<i>of most visited sites on the web.</i>

2820
02:21:21,097 --> 02:21:24,100
Going into the 2000s
when the file sharing thing

2821
02:21:24,184 --> 02:21:25,393
became a legal issue,

2822
02:21:25,477 --> 02:21:29,939
the tendency to use those soundtracks
started to tail off.

2823
02:21:30,023 --> 02:21:33,318
The long-term outcome
of that whole process has been

2824
02:21:33,401 --> 02:21:35,069
what they call, "the democratization

2825
02:21:35,153 --> 02:21:37,572
of music production",
which is a fabulous thing

2826
02:21:37,655 --> 02:21:39,115
as far as creativity goes,

2827
02:21:39,199 --> 02:21:42,577
but it's the antithesis
of fabulous, because all the--

2828
02:21:42,660 --> 02:21:44,621
the platforms just hoover up
all the money.

2829
02:21:44,704 --> 02:21:47,624
I would hate to be starting out
as an artist now.

2830
02:21:47,707 --> 02:21:51,961
I mean, the idea of even making a penny,
it is very, very difficult.

2831
02:21:52,045 --> 02:21:55,798
<i>Jesus, the music scene's gone</i>
<i>to hell since I've been dead.</i>

2832
02:21:56,424 --> 02:22:00,595
1997

2833
02:22:11,940 --> 02:22:16,819
Peter Hyams directed <i>The Relic</i>,
which is about this ancient monster

2834
02:22:16,903 --> 02:22:19,697
that is terrorizing
the Field Museum in Chicago.

2835
02:22:22,659 --> 02:22:25,578
Relic was based on a novel from 1995.

2836
02:22:25,662 --> 02:22:28,665
It's up to a detective and a biologist

2837
02:22:28,748 --> 02:22:32,710
to track down this creature
and contain it as best they can.

2838
02:22:32,794 --> 02:22:35,088
The detective is played by Tom Sizemore,

2839
02:22:35,171 --> 02:22:37,966
and the biologist is played by
Penelope Ann Miller,

2840
02:22:38,049 --> 02:22:39,050
and they do a great job.

2841
02:22:39,133 --> 02:22:41,386
<i>-Where is this head?</i>
<i>-It's over there by the sink.</i>

2842
02:22:41,469 --> 02:22:42,762
<i>Lieutenant D'Agosta.</i>

2843
02:22:42,845 --> 02:22:46,182
<i>-Oh my God! Oh! Oh!</i>
<i>-Get her out of here!</i>

2844
02:22:46,266 --> 02:22:47,433
I hadn't done anything like it,

2845
02:22:47,517 --> 02:22:50,353
so I-- I just was fascinated
with the idea of it.

2846
02:22:50,436 --> 02:22:52,855
<i>Oh my God. The Kothoga.</i>

2847
02:22:52,939 --> 02:22:55,441
- Gale Anne Hurd,
tremendously bright woman.

2848
02:22:55,525 --> 02:22:58,570
It was originally written
for the Museum of Natural History.

2849
02:22:58,653 --> 02:23:01,114
A lot of pre-production
had already been set,

2850
02:23:01,197 --> 02:23:04,576
then the museum said no.
And it really broke my heart.

2851
02:23:04,659 --> 02:23:07,996
The museum in Chicago and--
and the fact that Chicago

2852
02:23:08,079 --> 02:23:09,789
is such a photogenic city.

2853
02:23:09,872 --> 02:23:11,749
I rationalized my way into it.

2854
02:23:11,833 --> 02:23:13,960
However, I wish I had shot it in New York.

2855
02:23:14,043 --> 02:23:16,546
<i>Whatever this thing was,</i>
<i>it ate those leaves</i>

2856
02:23:16,629 --> 02:23:19,048
<i>and is rapidly evolving</i>
<i>into something reptilian.</i>

2857
02:23:19,132 --> 02:23:22,594
The creature designed
by Stan Winston is a marvel

2858
02:23:22,677 --> 02:23:23,845
of practical effects.

2859
02:23:26,723 --> 02:23:29,684
The design of that creature
was pretty important.

2860
02:23:29,767 --> 02:23:32,103
I had worked with Stan,
'cause I had produced a film

2861
02:23:32,186 --> 02:23:33,605
called <i>The Monster Squad</i>.

2862
02:23:33,688 --> 02:23:35,523
I loved working with Stan Winston.

2863
02:23:35,607 --> 02:23:40,403
Brilliantly talented and has a bunch
of uber talents around him.

2864
02:23:40,486 --> 02:23:43,615
We just went through sketch
after sketch, different ideas.

2865
02:23:47,076 --> 02:23:49,996
It is a hybrid creature
and I think one of the things

2866
02:23:50,079 --> 02:23:52,749
that <i>Relic</i> does really,
really well is the conception

2867
02:23:52,832 --> 02:23:54,459
of that creature. It looks great.

2868
02:23:56,169 --> 02:23:59,088
It's the perfect creature
to wreak havoc on a bunch

2869
02:23:59,172 --> 02:24:01,841
of oblivious party-goers at the museum.

2870
02:24:05,219 --> 02:24:07,722
- If you're doing a chase
to kind of grab people

2871
02:24:07,805 --> 02:24:10,183
and have them nervous, their Adam's apple

2872
02:24:10,266 --> 02:24:14,187
bobbing up and down,
you set the chase in a confined space.

2873
02:24:14,270 --> 02:24:17,065
The more frightening it is,
the more nerve-wracking it is.

2874
02:24:20,193 --> 02:24:24,530
My favorite moment in that film
is after people have been killed

2875
02:24:24,614 --> 02:24:27,325
and the museum has gone on lockdown.

2876
02:24:27,408 --> 02:24:29,577
It's like the guy is like
bitching and moaning about

2877
02:24:29,661 --> 02:24:30,912
how he's not gonna get blamed for this.

2878
02:24:30,995 --> 02:24:32,163
<i>-I'm not taking the fall--</i>
<i>-Dad.</i>

2879
02:24:32,246 --> 02:24:34,457
<i>For this fiasco, I can tell you that.</i>

2880
02:24:34,540 --> 02:24:37,543
And then out of nowhere
the Kothoga comes down,

2881
02:24:37,627 --> 02:24:39,712
grabs him, and like rips his head off.

2882
02:24:39,796 --> 02:24:41,172
<i>When I get my hands on him…</i>

2883
02:24:43,132 --> 02:24:45,760
And that jump scare, muah, I love it.

2884
02:24:45,843 --> 02:24:47,053
It's my favorite moment in the film.

2885
02:24:47,136 --> 02:24:50,014
<i>We know this thing is part reptilian,</i>
<i>probably ectothermic.</i>

2886
02:24:50,098 --> 02:24:52,558
<i>Maybe if we can change</i>
<i>his temperature by 40 degrees,</i>

2887
02:24:52,642 --> 02:24:53,935
<i>we can freeze this son of bitch.</i>

2888
02:24:54,018 --> 02:24:57,647
Opening day in LA, it was playing
at the National Theatre.

2889
02:24:57,730 --> 02:25:00,858
It was pretty empty.
I went, "Well, it failed."

2890
02:25:00,942 --> 02:25:02,318
I was inconsolable.

2891
02:25:02,402 --> 02:25:04,779
Then at 11:30 at that night,
the phone rang

2892
02:25:04,862 --> 02:25:07,490
and it was Sherry Lansing
and she said, "How does it feel

2893
02:25:07,573 --> 02:25:09,409
to have the number one picture
in America?"

2894
02:25:09,492 --> 02:25:11,452
<i>I don't want a way out.</i>
<i>We've got to stop it!</i>

2895
02:25:11,536 --> 02:25:12,745
<i>I'll stay with you!</i>

2896
02:25:12,829 --> 02:25:14,872
<i>-Get inside! Get inside!</i>
<i>-This is crazy!</i>

2897
02:25:14,956 --> 02:25:18,292
I think people want to have
an emotional ride in a movie

2898
02:25:18,376 --> 02:25:21,462
and that's why those kinds
of movies do well.

2899
02:25:21,546 --> 02:25:23,214
<i>I know who you are.</i>

2900
02:25:35,017 --> 02:25:38,980
From the point where I saw
<i>Eraserhead</i> for the first time

2901
02:25:39,063 --> 02:25:44,318
I watched every David Lynch film
instantly when it came out.

2902
02:25:44,402 --> 02:25:47,196
<i>Oh, mommy! Mommy!</i>

2903
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:50,158
They were totally fucked up,
you would say, you know?

2904
02:25:50,241 --> 02:25:51,159
And that's amazing.

2905
02:25:51,242 --> 02:25:55,246
You can not underestimate
someone like David Lynch,

2906
02:25:55,329 --> 02:25:58,332
because that's someone
who really has a vision.

2907
02:26:01,711 --> 02:26:02,587
<i>- Here I am.</i>

2908
02:26:02,670 --> 02:26:05,548
I love that David Lynch
has never felt the need

2909
02:26:05,631 --> 02:26:09,677
to confine himself to the boxes
of simplifying any of his stories.

2910
02:26:09,761 --> 02:26:13,723
<i>And your name.</i>
<i>What the fuck is your name?</i>

2911
02:26:13,806 --> 02:26:18,311
Something about <i>Lost Highway</i>
and realizing that what you see

2912
02:26:18,394 --> 02:26:22,315
is never what it is and things
are never as they appear.

2913
02:26:22,398 --> 02:26:25,234
Sure, that's an old trope,
but David Lynch takes it to another level.

2914
02:26:25,318 --> 02:26:27,653
<i>I like to remember things my own way.</i>

2915
02:26:27,737 --> 02:26:28,780
<i>-What do you mean by that?</i>

2916
02:26:28,821 --> 02:26:32,658
<i>-How I remembered them,</i>
<i>not necessarily the way they happened.</i>

2917
02:26:32,742 --> 02:26:35,244
The thing about horror that
makes horror work so well

2918
02:26:35,328 --> 02:26:37,830
is when you can't explain
what's happening.

2919
02:26:37,914 --> 02:26:41,959
The unexplainable to me is
the scariest thing in the world.

2920
02:26:44,045 --> 02:26:47,715
It's sort of about somebody
who dissociates so much

2921
02:26:47,799 --> 02:26:49,509
they don't even really know
who they are anymore.

2922
02:26:49,592 --> 02:26:52,136
Whether they killed somebody
or whether they didn't kill them.

2923
02:26:52,220 --> 02:26:55,181
<i>-Renee!</i>
<i>-Sit down, killer!</i>

2924
02:26:55,264 --> 02:26:58,726
Lynch himself became
very interested if not obsessed

2925
02:26:58,810 --> 02:27:01,979
with the idea of somebody
divorcing themselves

2926
02:27:02,063 --> 02:27:05,358
from the reality of an act
they very likely committed.

2927
02:27:06,776 --> 02:27:08,736
He was thinking of O.J. Simpson.

2928
02:27:08,820 --> 02:27:13,074
This really was a fixation for Lynch
during the development of the film.

2929
02:27:13,157 --> 02:27:16,536
<i>The jury having found you guilty</i>
<i>of murder in the first degree,</i>

2930
02:27:16,619 --> 02:27:19,455
<i>it is my order that you be put</i>
<i>to death in the electric chair.</i>

2931
02:27:19,539 --> 02:27:22,083
David Lynch is sitting home
watching the O.J. trial

2932
02:27:22,166 --> 02:27:25,211
and watching a person
who he believes to be guilty

2933
02:27:25,294 --> 02:27:28,840
and is recognizing that that person
doesn't believe they're guilty.

2934
02:27:28,923 --> 02:27:31,425
That the cognitive dissonance has happened

2935
02:27:31,509 --> 02:27:34,554
to such a degree that
O.J. believes he's innocent

2936
02:27:34,637 --> 02:27:36,973
and O.J.'s making promises
to find the real killers

2937
02:27:37,056 --> 02:27:39,934
and that sort of schism fed directly

2938
02:27:40,017 --> 02:27:42,228
into Bill Pullman's character
in <i>Lost Highway</i>.

2939
02:27:42,311 --> 02:27:44,397
<i>Dick Laurent is dead, isn't he?</i>

2940
02:27:44,480 --> 02:27:46,566
<i>I didn't think you knew Dick.</i>

2941
02:27:46,649 --> 02:27:48,943
<i>-How do you know he's dead?</i>
<i>-I don't.</i>

2942
02:27:49,026 --> 02:27:51,946
That O.J. thing, it was everywhere anyway.

2943
02:27:52,029 --> 02:27:55,241
But if you were in Los Angeles,
it was inescapable.

2944
02:27:55,324 --> 02:27:58,703
I've never talked about this
on any interview before.

2945
02:27:58,786 --> 02:28:03,875
When we shot <i>Tales from the Hood</i>,
one of O.J.'s daughters, Arnelle Simpson,

2946
02:28:03,958 --> 02:28:06,878
was our stunt double for Paula Jai Parker.

2947
02:28:06,961 --> 02:28:09,589
Every day, every now and then,
we would have to stop,

2948
02:28:09,672 --> 02:28:15,303
'cause of the helicopters going over
for the trial of a man accused

2949
02:28:15,386 --> 02:28:18,472
of being a batterer and a-- a murderer

2950
02:28:18,556 --> 02:28:22,226
while we're shooting David Alan Grier
beating Arnelle,

2951
02:28:22,310 --> 02:28:23,978
'cause she's the stunt double.

2952
02:28:24,061 --> 02:28:25,271
It was bizarro.

2953
02:28:25,354 --> 02:28:27,356
She was just like the sweetest person

2954
02:28:27,440 --> 02:28:30,484
and she would hang out
even when she wasn't shooting.

2955
02:28:30,568 --> 02:28:33,529
I think because it was
one of the few places

2956
02:28:33,613 --> 02:28:35,907
you could escape that trial.

2957
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:38,075
<i>Where the fuck are we going, Alice?</i>

2958
02:28:38,159 --> 02:28:39,994
<i>We have to go to the desert, baby.</i>

2959
02:28:40,077 --> 02:28:42,163
You can't get away from the fact
that the white Bronco

2960
02:28:42,246 --> 02:28:44,081
is on a road and it's a lonely road,

2961
02:28:44,165 --> 02:28:46,083
and there's nobody around
except that murderer

2962
02:28:46,167 --> 02:28:47,335
and his buddy in the car.

2963
02:28:47,418 --> 02:28:49,795
And then next thing you know
you've got <i>Lost Highway</i>.

2964
02:28:51,297 --> 02:28:54,634
I'm willing to drive down the <i>Lost Highway</i>
with uh, Dave Lynch.

2965
02:28:56,427 --> 02:28:57,637
I love <i>Lost Highway</i>.

2966
02:28:57,720 --> 02:28:59,847
It's a film that I look at over
and over, and over again.

2967
02:28:59,931 --> 02:29:01,098
It's nightmarish.

2968
02:29:01,182 --> 02:29:04,185
- I love and I'm totally
made uncomfortable

2969
02:29:04,268 --> 02:29:07,980
by the spooky feelings
that a David Lynch moment

2970
02:29:08,064 --> 02:29:08,981
can create in me.

2971
02:29:09,065 --> 02:29:12,902
Like a man walking up to me
and handing me his phone and saying…

2972
02:29:12,985 --> 02:29:14,612
<i>I'm there right now.</i>

2973
02:29:14,695 --> 02:29:16,155
<i>What do you mean you're where?</i>

2974
02:29:16,238 --> 02:29:17,365
<i>At your house.</i>

2975
02:29:17,448 --> 02:29:19,575
I mean, who thinks of that stuff?

2976
02:29:19,659 --> 02:29:23,704
Robert Blake gives kind of
a beautiful strange,

2977
02:29:23,788 --> 02:29:26,707
scary nightmarish performance
and Bill Pullman,

2978
02:29:26,791 --> 02:29:30,378
he's just absolutely,
I would say, terrified

2979
02:29:30,461 --> 02:29:32,421
at the exchange that
he and Robert Blake have.

2980
02:29:32,505 --> 02:29:37,093
This scene really stands out
as an example of Lynch's power

2981
02:29:37,176 --> 02:29:39,887
to really unnerve its viewer.

2982
02:29:42,932 --> 02:29:45,101
Ironically, the great actor Robert Blake,

2983
02:29:45,184 --> 02:29:48,688
who we know from <i>In Cold Blood</i>,
<i>Electra Glide in Blue</i>, <i>Baretta</i>,

2984
02:29:48,771 --> 02:29:52,900
was himself years later involved
in another high-profile murder

2985
02:29:52,984 --> 02:29:56,612
of his uh, I guess baby mama.
Kind of weird. Lynchian.

2986
02:29:56,696 --> 02:29:58,406
- What is it Al?
What do you think?

2987
02:29:58,489 --> 02:30:01,158
<i>I think there's no such thing</i>
<i>as a bad coincidence.</i>

2988
02:30:01,242 --> 02:30:04,745
<i>- Blue Velvet</i>, <i>Twin Peaks</i>,
<i>Lost Highway</i>, <i>Mulholland Drive</i>.

2989
02:30:04,829 --> 02:30:06,872
Truly an incredible body of work.

2990
02:30:06,956 --> 02:30:10,292
And there's no other director
who is like David Lynch.

2991
02:30:10,376 --> 02:30:11,752
That's for sure.

2992
02:30:11,836 --> 02:30:14,088
<i>It's been a pleasure talking to you.</i>

2993
02:30:22,596 --> 02:30:24,598
<i>Premutos: The Fallen Angel</i>.

2994
02:30:24,682 --> 02:30:26,600
Directed by Olaf Ittenbach.

2995
02:30:26,684 --> 02:30:28,477
It is a German movie.

2996
02:30:28,561 --> 02:30:32,231
All I can say it's layers
of gore on gore, on gore.

2997
02:30:32,314 --> 02:30:33,733
Practical effect gore.

2998
02:30:35,693 --> 02:30:38,529
The '90s gave us all these
low-budget German filmmakers

2999
02:30:38,612 --> 02:30:42,033
that were very much in this like
exploitation gore space.

3000
02:30:46,037 --> 02:30:50,041
It is about a book that
is found that releases a curse

3001
02:30:50,124 --> 02:30:51,500
that summons the dead.

3002
02:30:54,587 --> 02:30:56,130
But that's not why you watch it.

3003
02:30:56,213 --> 02:30:58,466
This is a showcase
of every practical effect

3004
02:30:58,549 --> 02:30:59,884
that you can do in your home.

3005
02:30:59,967 --> 02:31:01,969
It literally stains the walls.

3006
02:31:02,053 --> 02:31:03,220
It stains the carpets.

3007
02:31:03,304 --> 02:31:06,182
It is highly offensive
but really, really fun.

3008
02:31:09,185 --> 02:31:12,605
<i>Premutos</i> does go back and forth
between different time periods

3009
02:31:12,688 --> 02:31:15,816
which is very ambitious
for a no-budget film

3010
02:31:15,900 --> 02:31:17,193
done in someone's backyard.

3011
02:31:20,946 --> 02:31:23,074
The other kind of aspect of--
that I love about it

3012
02:31:23,157 --> 02:31:25,076
is that it makes use of snow.

3013
02:31:25,159 --> 02:31:28,162
It's this white surface
and you can just put a lot of gore on it.

3014
02:31:28,245 --> 02:31:30,706
There's intestines.
There's blood. There's guts.

3015
02:31:30,790 --> 02:31:32,333
There's knife through a head.

3016
02:31:32,416 --> 02:31:33,250
There's sword play.

3017
02:31:36,295 --> 02:31:38,380
And it's this great example
of like you're not having

3018
02:31:38,464 --> 02:31:40,716
to clean up, because
it's outside and it's water.

3019
02:31:43,761 --> 02:31:45,763
Things explode. Things gush.

3020
02:31:45,846 --> 02:31:50,476
Also an incredible amount
of dick trauma in this movie.

3021
02:31:50,559 --> 02:31:52,478
Every dick gets kicked.

3022
02:31:54,522 --> 02:31:58,025
It gets surgically altered by a doctor.

3023
02:31:58,109 --> 02:32:01,779
There's so much dick trauma in this movie
and I am so here for it.

3024
02:32:06,367 --> 02:32:10,579
This is a movie that celebrates
just the gross and the squish.

3025
02:32:10,663 --> 02:32:12,873
It's a love letter to practical effects.

3026
02:32:25,553 --> 02:32:29,807
<i>The Wax Mask</i> is another example
of late Italian horror

3027
02:32:29,890 --> 02:32:32,643
which I think is very worthy of watching.

3028
02:32:35,479 --> 02:32:38,149
It is basically a remake of <i>House of Wax</i>

3029
02:32:38,232 --> 02:32:40,401
which was a remake
of <i>Mystery of the Wax Museum</i>,

3030
02:32:40,484 --> 02:32:42,111
the Gaston Leroux story.

3031
02:32:42,194 --> 02:32:43,904
It takes place in Paris
where there's a guy

3032
02:32:43,988 --> 02:32:47,158
who runs a wax museum
and it's not going to plan.

3033
02:32:47,241 --> 02:32:50,161
He gets disfigured
and he goes on a murder spree

3034
02:32:50,244 --> 02:32:53,205
trying to find people to put
in his wax works.

3035
02:32:55,541 --> 02:32:58,794
It stars Robert Hossein
who was a filmmaker, a director

3036
02:32:58,878 --> 02:33:01,255
in his own right,
and also a very prolific actor.

3037
02:33:01,338 --> 02:33:04,508
He actually directed plays
at the Grand-Guignol Theatre in Paris.

3038
02:33:04,592 --> 02:33:07,386
So he really is the right guy
for this role.

3039
02:33:07,469 --> 02:33:09,180
<i>- And what exactly are you researching?</i>

3040
02:33:09,263 --> 02:33:11,348
<i>Perfection.</i>
<i>I'm using techniques…</i>

3041
02:33:12,516 --> 02:33:13,934
<i>new to the artistic world.</i>

3042
02:33:14,018 --> 02:33:16,520
Sergio Stivaletti,
while he's no as Michele Soavi,

3043
02:33:16,604 --> 02:33:20,941
he still was also was on his way
to being you know, a decent director.

3044
02:33:21,025 --> 02:33:23,152
But unfortunately, the bottom
fell out of the industry.

3045
02:33:23,235 --> 02:33:24,820
<i>I'm sure I recognize her.</i>

3046
02:33:24,904 --> 02:33:27,114
<i>Different hair coloring, but it's her.</i>

3047
02:33:27,198 --> 02:33:28,574
<i>What a strange coincidence.</i>

3048
02:33:28,657 --> 02:33:32,328
<i>Wax Mask</i> started life
as a Lucio Fulci film

3049
02:33:32,411 --> 02:33:34,163
with Dario Argento producing,

3050
02:33:34,246 --> 02:33:38,542
which was just a very tantalizing prospect
for any horror fan of the era

3051
02:33:38,626 --> 02:33:41,128
that Lucio was finally
going to have a budget.

3052
02:33:41,212 --> 02:33:42,796
Unfortunately, Fulci died.

3053
02:33:42,880 --> 02:33:45,549
So the project just was stuck in limbo.

3054
02:33:45,633 --> 02:33:47,384
And they had to find
a replacement director,

3055
02:33:47,468 --> 02:33:49,011
'cause they'd already done
the pre-production

3056
02:33:49,094 --> 02:33:50,804
with Stivaletti doing the effects.

3057
02:33:54,808 --> 02:33:57,770
It has a really pretty good
steampunk look about it,

3058
02:33:57,853 --> 02:34:00,105
and a lot of good production value.

3059
02:34:02,983 --> 02:34:05,110
So it has all the elements
to make something,

3060
02:34:05,194 --> 02:34:07,821
but you can't help but wonder
what it would have been

3061
02:34:07,905 --> 02:34:09,323
had it been a Fulci movie.

3062
02:34:20,042 --> 02:34:22,962
<i>- Stephen King's The Shining.</i>

3063
02:34:23,045 --> 02:34:26,006
Outside of <i>It</i> and <i>The Stand</i>,
which are kind of the juggernauts

3064
02:34:26,090 --> 02:34:29,551
of the King television miniseries
explosion of the '90s,

3065
02:34:29,635 --> 02:34:32,554
you've got a bunch of others
that are events of different degrees.

3066
02:34:32,638 --> 02:34:35,808
You've got <i>The Tommyknockers</i>,
and <i>The Langoliers</i>,

3067
02:34:35,891 --> 02:34:38,644
and <i>The Golden Years</i>,
and <i>Storm of the Century</i>.

3068
02:34:38,727 --> 02:34:41,021
Stephen King himself would take advantage

3069
02:34:41,105 --> 02:34:46,568
of the novel on television approach
to correct in his mind

3070
02:34:46,652 --> 02:34:50,281
one of the biggest failures
of adaptation in his career.

3071
02:34:50,364 --> 02:34:52,658
<i>Here's Johnny!</i>

3072
02:34:52,741 --> 02:34:55,119
There's no mystery about
Stephen King's opinion

3073
02:34:55,202 --> 02:34:57,579
of Stanley Kubrick's version
of <i>The Shining</i>.

3074
02:34:57,663 --> 02:35:01,500
It was well known even at the time
that he did not appreciate it.

3075
02:35:01,583 --> 02:35:05,546
And-- and I think it's because
the book was so personal to King

3076
02:35:05,629 --> 02:35:07,381
and so autobiographical.

3077
02:35:07,464 --> 02:35:10,676
He wrote a draft or two
for the Kubrick film

3078
02:35:10,759 --> 02:35:13,178
that Kubrick just chucked aside.

3079
02:35:13,262 --> 02:35:17,224
After the success of <i>The Stand</i>,
ABC went to King and said,

3080
02:35:17,308 --> 02:35:18,976
"What would you like to do next?"

3081
02:35:19,059 --> 02:35:21,770
And he said, "You know,
I'd really like to do

3082
02:35:21,854 --> 02:35:24,189
<i>The Shining</i> the way it was intended.

3083
02:35:27,401 --> 02:35:30,362
<i>Hello Danny, I've been waiting for you.</i>

3084
02:35:30,446 --> 02:35:33,240
When he wrote the book,
he was a wet alcoholic.

3085
02:35:33,324 --> 02:35:36,160
When he wrote the miniseries,
he was a dry alcoholic.

3086
02:35:36,243 --> 02:35:38,954
He hadn't drunk for years
and he could see it

3087
02:35:39,038 --> 02:35:42,207
with even more clarity
and from a different perspective.

3088
02:35:42,291 --> 02:35:46,170
It became really evident to me
when I called Gary Sinise

3089
02:35:46,253 --> 02:35:50,507
before we started the casting process
and Gary said to me,

3090
02:35:50,591 --> 02:35:55,596
"You know, I'd really be hesitant about
stepping into the shoes of Jack Nicholson.

3091
02:35:55,679 --> 02:35:59,266
Suddenly, it came crashing down
on me like a load of bricks

3092
02:35:59,350 --> 02:36:02,978
that this is not going to be an easy task.

3093
02:36:06,648 --> 02:36:07,441
<i>Boo.</i>

3094
02:36:07,524 --> 02:36:10,277
We didn't cast Steven Weber
until three days

3095
02:36:10,361 --> 02:36:12,112
before shooting was to begin.

3096
02:36:12,196 --> 02:36:14,156
King said, "If we don't do it today,

3097
02:36:14,239 --> 02:36:15,991
I'm pulling the plug.
That's it."

3098
02:36:16,075 --> 02:36:19,036
<i>Fe-fi-fo-fum.</i>

3099
02:36:20,204 --> 02:36:23,916
<i>Uh, the giant has come</i>
<i>to eat you up in your bed.</i>

3100
02:36:23,999 --> 02:36:27,169
It was a great role
and I had no kind of fears

3101
02:36:27,252 --> 02:36:29,046
that it would be
in the shadow of Jack Nicholson

3102
02:36:29,129 --> 02:36:31,382
or that this whole project
would be in the shadows

3103
02:36:31,465 --> 02:36:32,925
of the Kubrick film.

3104
02:36:33,008 --> 02:36:35,094
Stephen King and director Mick Garris

3105
02:36:35,177 --> 02:36:37,221
liked me enough to then pair me
in a reading

3106
02:36:37,304 --> 02:36:40,099
with Rebecca De Mornay and we clicked

3107
02:36:40,182 --> 02:36:43,018
and had a chemistry
that they seemed to like.

3108
02:36:43,102 --> 02:36:45,979
And I think what they seemed
to like was that I had a degree

3109
02:36:46,063 --> 02:36:47,523
of normalcy about me.

3110
02:36:47,606 --> 02:36:51,235
That I didn't go in uh, grinning
and arching my eyebrows

3111
02:36:51,318 --> 02:36:54,696
and being Jack,
which had become so iconic.

3112
02:36:54,780 --> 02:36:57,241
Warner Brothers was sending us to Canada.

3113
02:36:57,324 --> 02:36:59,493
Everything was a financial decision.

3114
02:36:59,576 --> 02:37:04,915
And I said, I'm begging you,
let us stop in Estes Park, Colorado

3115
02:37:04,998 --> 02:37:06,750
and go to the Stanley Hotel.

3116
02:37:06,834 --> 02:37:11,046
Stephen King was in the bar,
closing night of the season,

3117
02:37:11,130 --> 02:37:15,926
looking into the mirrored wall
and he saw the whole story

3118
02:37:16,009 --> 02:37:17,428
laid out in front of him there.

3119
02:37:17,511 --> 02:37:20,889
And so we shot where it takes place.

3120
02:37:20,973 --> 02:37:23,517
<i>Aren't you the caretaker here, Wes?</i>

3121
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,853
<i>Oh, I don't believe so, sir.</i>

3122
02:37:25,936 --> 02:37:28,522
<i>You've always been the caretaker.</i>

3123
02:37:28,605 --> 02:37:31,900
It was a gigantic production
which extended over months

3124
02:37:31,984 --> 02:37:33,902
and Stephen King was very available.

3125
02:37:33,986 --> 02:37:35,362
He was around all the time.

3126
02:37:35,446 --> 02:37:39,575
He actually did a cameo
in a really fantastic scene

3127
02:37:39,658 --> 02:37:42,369
where he was the conductor
of a ghost orchestra.

3128
02:37:42,453 --> 02:37:45,539
<i>Wanna go upstairs?</i>
<i>See the sights?</i>

3129
02:37:47,875 --> 02:37:50,043
I was reading the book
while we were shooting

3130
02:37:50,127 --> 02:37:53,213
and there was this little kind
of couplet that I found.

3131
02:37:53,297 --> 02:37:55,674
"Wow, that's beautiful.
It's poetic.

3132
02:37:55,757 --> 02:37:57,593
Uh, what does it mean?

3133
02:37:57,676 --> 02:38:00,262
Stephen King's downstairs.
I'm going to ask him."

3134
02:38:00,345 --> 02:38:04,099
<i>People with the shining see things</i>
<i>like pictures in a book.</i>

3135
02:38:04,183 --> 02:38:07,102
<i>And sometimes book pictures can be scary.</i>

3136
02:38:07,186 --> 02:38:09,438
So much of what happens to Jack Torrance

3137
02:38:09,521 --> 02:38:12,232
in terms of his being possessed
by these evil spirits

3138
02:38:12,316 --> 02:38:17,529
is in fact, a very concise way
of describing what happens to the addict.

3139
02:38:17,613 --> 02:38:21,658
The irresistible pull towards
self-destruction, self-loathing.

3140
02:38:21,742 --> 02:38:26,246
Taking his family, who he loves
so deeply, down with him.

3141
02:38:26,330 --> 02:38:30,000
<i>There are ghosts here.</i>
<i>You know there are.</i>

3142
02:38:31,502 --> 02:38:33,086
<i>And other things, too.</i>

3143
02:38:33,170 --> 02:38:36,507
Courtland Mead was a joy.
He was very precocious.

3144
02:38:36,590 --> 02:38:38,550
He took direction beautifully.

3145
02:38:38,634 --> 02:38:40,636
A perfect little Danny Torrance.

3146
02:38:40,719 --> 02:38:43,388
And working with Rebecca De Mornay
was fantastic.

3147
02:38:43,472 --> 02:38:47,100
I think she had a really good grasp
of Wendy Torrance.

3148
02:38:47,184 --> 02:38:51,355
And what she brought to it was
a fuller humanity to this role.

3149
02:38:51,438 --> 02:38:53,607
<i>-Who did this to you, huh?</i>
<i>-Don't you touch him!</i>

3150
02:38:53,690 --> 02:38:55,025
<i>You so much as lay a finger on him again,</i>

3151
02:38:55,108 --> 02:38:56,818
<i>I will wait till you're asleep</i>
<i>and I will kill you.</i>

3152
02:38:56,902 --> 02:38:58,904
The monster aspect of things.

3153
02:38:58,987 --> 02:39:01,740
I loved wearing that makeup
in certain sequences.

3154
02:39:01,823 --> 02:39:04,493
<i>There you are, doc, been looking for ya.</i>

3155
02:39:06,745 --> 02:39:10,916
I loved chasing Danny down this corridor,
swinging a mallet.

3156
02:39:10,999 --> 02:39:13,460
<i>Danny!</i>

3157
02:39:13,544 --> 02:39:17,130
Weber, I think, deserves
so many kudos playing the shit

3158
02:39:17,214 --> 02:39:20,008
out of the part and doing an amazing job.

3159
02:39:20,092 --> 02:39:23,387
There was so much more
complexity, and humanity,

3160
02:39:23,470 --> 02:39:25,722
and pain that he brought to it.

3161
02:39:25,806 --> 02:39:28,976
<i>Just one is no longer my vocabulary.</i>

3162
02:39:29,059 --> 02:39:32,396
<i>Got a lot of lost time to make up for</i>
<i>and uh, it's been a dry century.</i>

3163
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:36,984
There was still a real hard line
between cinema and television

3164
02:39:37,067 --> 02:39:39,903
and so we were still--
but we're just television.

3165
02:39:39,987 --> 02:39:42,864
So, well done, but it'll never
be anything great.

3166
02:39:42,948 --> 02:39:46,785
But over the years, I've seen
enthusiasm and support

3167
02:39:46,868 --> 02:39:51,039
for the miniseries version of <i>The Shining</i>
growing by leaps and bounds.

3168
02:39:51,123 --> 02:39:52,666
And so that's very gratifying.

3169
02:39:54,668 --> 02:39:57,045
<i>Great party, isn't it?</i>

3170
02:39:57,129 --> 02:39:58,130
The reviews were great.

3171
02:39:58,213 --> 02:40:01,300
It was number 1, 2, and 3
in the ratings for the week.

3172
02:40:01,383 --> 02:40:05,053
There was a lot of gratification
more on King's part

3173
02:40:05,137 --> 02:40:06,221
than on mine, I think.

3174
02:40:06,305 --> 02:40:09,182
Because he was the mover
and shaker behind it

3175
02:40:09,266 --> 02:40:10,934
getting made his way.

3176
02:40:11,018 --> 02:40:14,479
To have him be able to smile
and say, "We did it",

3177
02:40:14,563 --> 02:40:17,107
was one of the best feelings
you could possibly imagine.

3178
02:40:17,190 --> 02:40:19,776
<i>Stay close, darling.</i>
<i>I'll be back.</i>

3179
02:40:25,782 --> 02:40:27,200
<i>God help us.</i>

3180
02:40:30,746 --> 02:40:35,292
<i>Event Horizon</i> is not only
one of Paul W. S. Anderson's best films,

3181
02:40:35,375 --> 02:40:39,463
it's also one of those movies
that is criminally underrated.

3182
02:40:39,546 --> 02:40:42,257
I can remember us all just being
like, "Holy fucking,

3183
02:40:42,341 --> 02:40:43,842
what did we just see?"

3184
02:40:45,385 --> 02:40:46,595
<i>I'm waiting.</i>

3185
02:40:46,678 --> 02:40:47,846
<i>Ah!</i>

3186
02:40:47,929 --> 02:40:52,225
<i>Event Horizon </i>is about
the discovery of a ship,

3187
02:40:52,309 --> 02:40:55,228
the Event Horizon,
that was long thought lost

3188
02:40:55,312 --> 02:40:58,940
by creating a black hole to get
from one point in space to another.

3189
02:40:59,024 --> 02:41:00,108
<i>- Jesus.</i>

3190
02:41:01,193 --> 02:41:03,528
<i>-Very impressive ship, Doctor.</i>
<i>-Thank you.</i>

3191
02:41:03,612 --> 02:41:06,740
There's something about not
being able to get outside

3192
02:41:06,823 --> 02:41:09,534
of your environment
that just adds to the tension

3193
02:41:09,618 --> 02:41:11,953
and the danger of everything.

3194
02:41:15,499 --> 02:41:17,125
<i>- What the hell happened to his eyes?</i>

3195
02:41:17,209 --> 02:41:19,836
<i>-Explosive decompression.</i>
<i>-Decompression doesn't do that.</i>

3196
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:22,506
I'd kind of grown up watching
big American action movies

3197
02:41:22,589 --> 02:41:24,049
as well as the horror movies.

3198
02:41:24,132 --> 02:41:27,552
As a lifelong fan of <i>Alien</i>,
this was an opportunity for me

3199
02:41:27,636 --> 02:41:30,055
to go out into space and try
and terrify people.

3200
02:41:30,138 --> 02:41:33,058
And I thought Philip Eisner's
concept of making

3201
02:41:33,141 --> 02:41:36,311
a haunted house movie in space was genius.

3202
02:41:38,480 --> 02:41:40,148
In Philip's original draft,

3203
02:41:40,232 --> 02:41:43,193
the spaceship
wasn't so much haunted as it was

3204
02:41:43,276 --> 02:41:47,489
kind of overrun by these creatures
from a different dimension.

3205
02:41:47,572 --> 02:41:51,660
And I wanted to kind of steer
the movie away from that

3206
02:41:51,743 --> 02:41:53,870
and introduce the idea of hell.

3207
02:41:53,954 --> 02:41:57,082
<i>- Be with me… forever.</i>

3208
02:41:57,165 --> 02:41:59,751
Andrew Kevin Walker came in
to do a specific draft

3209
02:41:59,835 --> 02:42:03,630
to move the movie into a more kind of
hellish horror movie realm.

3210
02:42:03,714 --> 02:42:07,175
He'd just come off doing <i>Seven</i>
and then Fish said,

3211
02:42:07,259 --> 02:42:09,636
"I don't want to say hell.
I think it's too on the nose."

3212
02:42:09,720 --> 02:42:12,639
And the compromise we came up
with was I got Fish

3213
02:42:12,723 --> 02:42:14,057
to say it one time.

3214
02:42:14,141 --> 02:42:17,269
So you kind of pick where you feel like
it's gonna have the most impact.

3215
02:42:17,352 --> 02:42:19,479
And that's in the conversation
with Jason Isaacs.

3216
02:42:19,563 --> 02:42:22,691
<i>This ship has been beyond</i>
<i>the boundaries of our universe.</i>

3217
02:42:22,774 --> 02:42:25,986
<i>Who knows where it's been</i>
<i>and what it's brought back with it.</i>

3218
02:42:26,069 --> 02:42:27,195
<i>From hell.</i>

3219
02:42:27,279 --> 02:42:28,780
Working with Fishburne was fantastic.

3220
02:42:28,864 --> 02:42:32,325
I wasn't hugely experienced working
with actors of his caliber.

3221
02:42:32,409 --> 02:42:34,536
And you know, he could have
kind of taken over the set.

3222
02:42:34,619 --> 02:42:36,163
He could have been very intimidating.

3223
02:42:36,246 --> 02:42:38,832
He wasn't. He was very giving.
He was very supportive.

3224
02:42:38,915 --> 02:42:40,584
And by the way, so was Sam Neill.

3225
02:42:40,667 --> 02:42:43,587
<i>The crew is dead, Doctor.</i>
<i>Your ship killed them.</i>

3226
02:42:43,670 --> 02:42:46,339
<i>-We came here to do a job.</i>
<i>-We're aborting, Doctor.</i>

3227
02:42:46,423 --> 02:42:48,383
I learnt a lot about actors on that movie.

3228
02:42:48,467 --> 02:42:50,927
They both became like godfathers
to me in terms of kind

3229
02:42:51,011 --> 02:42:52,804
of teaching me an actor's craft.

3230
02:42:52,888 --> 02:42:55,515
<i>-It shows you things.</i>
<i>-What does?</i>

3231
02:42:55,599 --> 02:42:57,809
<i>The dark inside me.</i>

3232
02:42:57,893 --> 02:43:00,562
It was an intense experience
for the actors,

3233
02:43:00,645 --> 02:43:03,899
because we were shooting
entirely on sets in a studio.

3234
02:43:03,982 --> 02:43:05,484
And it became very claustrophobic.

3235
02:43:05,567 --> 02:43:07,486
I remember talking
to Joely Richardson about it

3236
02:43:07,569 --> 02:43:09,404
where she said, you know,
"I'm just dreading coming

3237
02:43:09,488 --> 02:43:11,615
to work, going back into this same room

3238
02:43:11,698 --> 02:43:14,743
that's covered in blood with intestines
hanging from the ceiling.

3239
02:43:14,826 --> 02:43:16,161
It's like it's getting to me."

3240
02:43:16,244 --> 02:43:18,622
And I thought that was good.
It kind of put all the actors on edge.

3241
02:43:20,123 --> 02:43:22,959
<i>Okay, baby bear.</i>
<i>I got it.</i>

3242
02:43:23,043 --> 02:43:26,046
I felt like the movie had
to have some unique thought

3243
02:43:26,129 --> 02:43:27,881
behind the design of the sets.

3244
02:43:27,964 --> 02:43:29,591
Because the sets were the creature.

3245
02:43:29,674 --> 02:43:33,303
The spaceship is the adversary.
That's what wants to kill you.

3246
02:43:33,386 --> 02:43:35,180
I wanted the images of the <i>Event Horizon</i>

3247
02:43:35,263 --> 02:43:38,809
to be beautiful, but also incredibly
disturbing at the same time.

3248
02:43:38,892 --> 02:43:40,685
And you see that in the flashes of hell.

3249
02:43:40,769 --> 02:43:42,813
They have an almost painterly
feel to them.

3250
02:43:42,896 --> 02:43:45,232
And that's very much
the influence of Witkin, Bosch,

3251
02:43:45,315 --> 02:43:46,775
Bruegel, artists like that.

3252
02:43:46,858 --> 02:43:49,027
In any horror movie, it's a truism

3253
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:53,031
that what people imagine is much worse
than anything you can show them.

3254
02:43:53,114 --> 02:43:55,075
'Cause you never see
where the Event Horizon goes

3255
02:43:55,158 --> 02:43:57,285
in anything other than flashes.

3256
02:43:57,327 --> 02:44:01,248
<i>Liberate tutemet ex inferis.</i>

3257
02:44:03,792 --> 02:44:04,626
<i>We're leaving.</i>

3258
02:44:04,709 --> 02:44:07,128
I've had people come up to me
and say, "Oh, I saw your movie.

3259
02:44:07,212 --> 02:44:09,256
It was-- it was just so terrible."

3260
02:44:09,339 --> 02:44:12,175
And they tell me these things
that they saw in the film

3261
02:44:12,259 --> 02:44:15,679
that I never shot, but they've imagined
in those flashes of horror.

3262
02:44:15,762 --> 02:44:17,722
They're imagining what scares them

3263
02:44:17,806 --> 02:44:20,559
and they're kind of projecting
that onto the movie that I made.

3264
02:44:20,642 --> 02:44:22,602
<i>What happened to your eyes?</i>

3265
02:44:22,686 --> 02:44:25,981
<i>Where we're we going,</i>
<i>we won't need eyes to see.</i>

3266
02:44:26,064 --> 02:44:27,899
<i>Titanic </i>was supposed
to have our release date

3267
02:44:27,983 --> 02:44:30,277
at the end of summer,
but <i>Titanic</i> wasn't gonna be ready.

3268
02:44:30,360 --> 02:44:32,404
So suddenly <i>Titanic</i> got pushed
to Christmas

3269
02:44:32,487 --> 02:44:34,489
and we were like, "You're in.

3270
02:44:34,573 --> 02:44:35,991
You're getting released on this date."

3271
02:44:39,369 --> 02:44:42,581
It's hard to say whether I was happy
with the theatrical cut or not.

3272
02:44:42,664 --> 02:44:44,416
The theatrical cut was done very quickly

3273
02:44:44,499 --> 02:44:47,252
and I think we probably trimmed
the movie a little bit too much

3274
02:44:47,335 --> 02:44:49,004
before putting it into theaters.

3275
02:44:49,087 --> 02:44:52,591
So could we have put more
visions of hell in there? Perhaps.

3276
02:44:52,674 --> 02:44:54,050
But would that have been too much?

3277
02:44:54,134 --> 02:44:56,761
I think there's a power to kind
of being more restrained.

3278
02:44:56,845 --> 02:44:58,221
But I'm very proud of the movie.

3279
02:44:58,305 --> 02:44:59,598
You know, I really stand behind it.

3280
02:44:59,681 --> 02:45:01,808
It's not like I feel like
the movie was destroyed

3281
02:45:01,892 --> 02:45:03,351
by Paramount in any way.

3282
02:45:05,979 --> 02:45:09,399
I think cinema audiences, and especially
American cinema audiences,

3283
02:45:09,482 --> 02:45:13,111
they don't like ambiguity.
They react negatively about it.

3284
02:45:13,194 --> 02:45:16,281
I think that hurt us
when we first released the movie.

3285
02:45:16,364 --> 02:45:19,534
But I think that ambiguity
is what people talk about.

3286
02:45:19,618 --> 02:45:21,369
It's what people theorize about.

3287
02:45:21,453 --> 02:45:24,205
And I think that has given
the movie life over time.

3288
02:45:24,289 --> 02:45:27,584
So I think the movie would not have become
the kind of cult classic that it is

3289
02:45:27,667 --> 02:45:29,711
if we'd taken all the ambiguity out.

3290
02:45:29,794 --> 02:45:33,298
I would trade the longevity
of <i>Event Horizon</i>

3291
02:45:33,381 --> 02:45:35,759
for another $10, $20 million
at the box office

3292
02:45:35,842 --> 02:45:36,885
any day of the week.

3293
02:45:36,968 --> 02:45:38,511
<i>They're fine. They're with us.</i>

3294
02:45:39,846 --> 02:45:41,222
<i>They're with us.</i>

3295
02:45:49,814 --> 02:45:51,608
<i>- Mimic.</i>

3296
02:45:51,691 --> 02:45:54,736
Guillermo del Toro is another one
who came up in the '90s.

3297
02:45:54,819 --> 02:45:57,280
<i>Cronos</i> was his feature debut,
which made a splash

3298
02:45:57,364 --> 02:45:58,698
amongst the horror faithful.

3299
02:45:58,782 --> 02:46:02,369
That got him on the radar of Miramax,
who hired him to do <i>Mimic</i>.

3300
02:46:04,204 --> 02:46:07,082
It's about giant cockroaches
in the sewers of New York.

3301
02:46:07,165 --> 02:46:09,876
But in typical Guillermo fashion
has given it

3302
02:46:09,960 --> 02:46:13,463
a kind of fairy tale sheen
that elevates it beyond that.

3303
02:46:18,426 --> 02:46:20,887
The creature design, of course,
is really unsettling,

3304
02:46:20,971 --> 02:46:22,389
because the reason it's called, "<i>Mimic</i>"

3305
02:46:22,472 --> 02:46:25,558
is 'cause the cockroaches have evolved
to disguise themselves

3306
02:46:25,642 --> 02:46:26,518
to look like humans.

3307
02:46:26,601 --> 02:46:28,353
<i>- These things can imitate us.</i>

3308
02:46:28,436 --> 02:46:31,898
<i>They can infiltrate us and breed a legion</i>
<i>before anyone would even notice.</i>

3309
02:46:31,982 --> 02:46:35,443
Del Toro is from Mexico,
and he took a very American

3310
02:46:35,527 --> 02:46:37,696
sort of locale,
which is the New York subway,

3311
02:46:37,779 --> 02:46:39,364
and he really exploited
that horror baggage

3312
02:46:39,447 --> 02:46:41,408
in an effective way
with the idea that a bug

3313
02:46:41,491 --> 02:46:45,412
could be standing in a crowd of commuters
and-- and you wouldn't notice them.

3314
02:46:45,495 --> 02:46:48,665
<i>Do you have the time?</i>
<i>Sir, the time?</i>

3315
02:46:50,041 --> 02:46:52,544
- It's a really effective bit of
sleight of hand in those moments.

3316
02:46:52,627 --> 02:46:53,712
They're really unsettling.

3317
02:46:57,549 --> 02:47:02,053
I love being in dark underground spaces
and you know, who isn't scared of bugs?

3318
02:47:02,137 --> 02:47:04,180
I'm from a family of coal miners,

3319
02:47:04,264 --> 02:47:06,641
so I think kind of going
into dark underground spaces

3320
02:47:06,725 --> 02:47:08,560
is something that really
speaks to me almost

3321
02:47:08,643 --> 02:47:10,687
on a kind of genetic level.

3322
02:47:10,770 --> 02:47:13,648
<i>Mimic</i>, I think, suffered from the presence

3323
02:47:13,732 --> 02:47:17,277
of the Weinsteins, the now
infamous Brothers Weinstein,

3324
02:47:17,360 --> 02:47:20,030
who on-- I happen to know on at least one,

3325
02:47:20,113 --> 02:47:22,115
maybe several occasions,
tried to fire Guillermo

3326
02:47:22,198 --> 02:47:24,534
from his own movie
and made his life a living hell.

3327
02:47:24,617 --> 02:47:26,536
<i>What the hell is going on around here?</i>

3328
02:47:27,787 --> 02:47:29,330
<i>Oh God!</i>

3329
02:47:30,248 --> 02:47:32,876
In fact, Bob Weinstein famously
showed up on set

3330
02:47:32,959 --> 02:47:34,711
and tried to fire Guillermo del Toro,

3331
02:47:34,794 --> 02:47:37,839
and star Mira Sorvino
had to step in and say,

3332
02:47:37,922 --> 02:47:39,424
"If he goes, I go."

3333
02:47:39,507 --> 02:47:41,259
And in spite of that, I think he crafted

3334
02:47:41,342 --> 02:47:45,722
what is a very beautiful
and evocative creature feature,

3335
02:47:45,805 --> 02:47:47,474
beautifully photographed, painterly.

3336
02:47:47,557 --> 02:47:50,351
<i>Now if we could catch that male</i>
<i>and kill him,</i>

3337
02:47:50,435 --> 02:47:54,647
<i>then the females won't be able to breed</i>
<i>and the whole generation could die out.</i>

3338
02:47:54,731 --> 02:47:57,067
The Weinsteins had this horrible way
of working

3339
02:47:57,150 --> 02:47:59,652
where they would ghost cut the movies,

3340
02:47:59,736 --> 02:48:02,197
like Guillermo was there working
with his editor and doing this,

3341
02:48:02,280 --> 02:48:05,033
but yet they would take the footage
and they would ghost cut their own thing.

3342
02:48:05,116 --> 02:48:08,995
It seemed like they were browbeating him.
It made things difficult for me as well.

3343
02:48:11,331 --> 02:48:15,460
Working with Guillermo del Toro was really
a inspiring process for me.

3344
02:48:15,543 --> 02:48:19,089
He has a great flair
for the visual. Imagination.

3345
02:48:19,172 --> 02:48:22,217
This whole creepiness
of the bugs and all that

3346
02:48:22,300 --> 02:48:24,969
sort of came up with
a musical language that was,

3347
02:48:25,053 --> 02:48:27,931
Guillermo used to say, "It gives me
the butt willies to hear this music."

3348
02:48:28,014 --> 02:48:28,932
That was his shorthand.

3349
02:48:29,015 --> 02:48:31,017
When he wanted something like that,
he'd give me the scene

3350
02:48:31,101 --> 02:48:33,394
and say, "I need you
to do the butt willy music."

3351
02:48:33,478 --> 02:48:36,523
<i>- Come here.</i>
<i>Come here, come here.</i>

3352
02:48:36,606 --> 02:48:39,150
When I finally saw the movie
all put together

3353
02:48:39,234 --> 02:48:40,360
with the music and everything,

3354
02:48:40,443 --> 02:48:42,237
I thought it was a powerful experience.

3355
02:48:47,075 --> 02:48:49,577
<i>- Mimic</i> finally was rescued
in a director's cut.

3356
02:48:49,661 --> 02:48:51,871
I'm told that's his preferred
vision, so you know,

3357
02:48:51,955 --> 02:48:53,164
there's a happier ending for <i>Mimic</i>.

3358
02:48:53,248 --> 02:48:55,750
<i>- Keep saying something like</i>
<i>the dark angels</i>

3359
02:48:55,834 --> 02:48:56,960
<i>are coming to get her.</i>

3360
02:48:57,043 --> 02:48:59,003
<i>Chinese people come up</i>
<i>with some pretty wild stuff.</i>

3361
02:48:59,087 --> 02:49:01,965
It offers some of the promise
of what Guillermo

3362
02:49:02,048 --> 02:49:03,341
would become as a filmmaker.

3363
02:49:03,424 --> 02:49:06,511
- You really feel like
he's one of the icons of the genre,

3364
02:49:06,594 --> 02:49:08,304
if not a patron saint of the genre,

3365
02:49:08,388 --> 02:49:11,641
because he is so effusive
and articulate about

3366
02:49:11,724 --> 02:49:15,603
why horror films are important
and why creatures, not monsters,

3367
02:49:15,687 --> 02:49:18,940
as he would say, are important
to us as a society.

3368
02:49:20,733 --> 02:49:22,819
<i>Funny, funny shoes.</i>

3369
02:49:29,951 --> 02:49:34,122
<i>- Wishmaster.</i>
<i>Careful what you wish for.</i>

3370
02:49:34,205 --> 02:49:38,001
There were many, many new types
of villains in the '90s, that's for sure.

3371
02:49:38,084 --> 02:49:41,588
<i>Wishmaster's</i> The Djinn, of course,
is a very, very old myth.

3372
02:49:41,671 --> 02:49:44,090
It's a wonderful one
that isn't a traditional monster.

3373
02:49:44,174 --> 02:49:46,926
<i>Careful what you wish for.</i>

3374
02:49:47,010 --> 02:49:48,595
Be careful what you wish for.

3375
02:49:48,678 --> 02:49:51,848
Because if you wish too far,
it might come back to bite you.

3376
02:49:51,931 --> 02:49:52,849
<i>- Hey buddy, you okay?</i>

3377
02:49:55,977 --> 02:50:00,940
<i>Wishmaster</i> is about a malevolent genie
who's unleashed in the present day.

3378
02:50:01,024 --> 02:50:03,443
We were trying
to create a new horror icon.

3379
02:50:03,526 --> 02:50:06,821
You know, it was my second film,
but I wanted to surround myself

3380
02:50:06,905 --> 02:50:10,450
with a team that would help, and actors,
and as well as a creative team

3381
02:50:10,533 --> 02:50:12,202
that would give me a comfort level.

3382
02:50:12,285 --> 02:50:14,787
You did have your executives
and the pressure

3383
02:50:14,871 --> 02:50:17,123
of the three or four
or five producers involved.

3384
02:50:17,207 --> 02:50:19,417
And then, you know, bring in Wes Craven

3385
02:50:19,500 --> 02:50:22,003
to exec produce, 'cause I had
a relationship with Wes

3386
02:50:22,086 --> 02:50:24,380
and that was very helpful
and he was very supportive

3387
02:50:24,464 --> 02:50:26,007
and he was always there to go to.

3388
02:50:26,090 --> 02:50:29,886
<i>-This is not something you wish to see.</i>
<i>-Uh-huh.</i>

3389
02:50:33,306 --> 02:50:37,060
<i>- Neon Maniacs</i> was my really first
sort of outreach in horror

3390
02:50:37,143 --> 02:50:41,981
and my first realization, by the way,
of what an art special effects makeup is.

3391
02:50:43,900 --> 02:50:46,152
The Djinn, I'm very proud
of the fact that I got

3392
02:50:46,236 --> 02:50:49,405
to play both the human
and the monster version of it.

3393
02:50:49,489 --> 02:50:51,908
Quite frankly, as a kid growing up,
I'd have severe acne

3394
02:50:51,991 --> 02:50:54,953
and so I never considered
myself attractive.

3395
02:50:55,036 --> 02:50:59,791
And so, now playing this presumably
debonair, suave dude, I'm thinking,

3396
02:50:59,874 --> 02:51:01,334
"I don't know about that."

3397
02:51:01,417 --> 02:51:04,837
<i>Does it bother you knowing</i>
<i>that your beauty will fade?</i>

3398
02:51:04,921 --> 02:51:07,006
<i>That your looking glass</i>
<i>will day by day tell you</i>

3399
02:51:07,090 --> 02:51:08,800
<i>a long and unhappy story?</i>

3400
02:51:08,883 --> 02:51:12,553
The look in Demerest's eyes
is Richard Ramirez.

3401
02:51:12,637 --> 02:51:16,349
There is nobody that I've looked
at that scares me like he did.

3402
02:51:16,432 --> 02:51:17,558
I knew that was pure evil.

3403
02:51:17,642 --> 02:51:21,062
<i>Ask for an end to change, an end to decay.</i>

3404
02:51:21,145 --> 02:51:23,731
<i>Say, "I wish to be beautiful forever."</i>

3405
02:51:23,815 --> 02:51:25,650
<i>I wish to be beautiful forever.</i>

3406
02:51:25,733 --> 02:51:28,528
The voice came about,
is it a British accent?

3407
02:51:28,611 --> 02:51:30,363
Is it a Middle Eastern accent?

3408
02:51:30,446 --> 02:51:34,575
For me, it was almost
as if it had to be a gaseous burp

3409
02:51:34,659 --> 02:51:36,286
coming up out of the earth.

3410
02:51:36,369 --> 02:51:38,788
<i>Spare me, child.</i>

3411
02:51:38,871 --> 02:51:40,915
<i>Behold my true face.</i>

3412
02:51:40,999 --> 02:51:42,875
For energy, and because
I could eat it quickly,

3413
02:51:42,959 --> 02:51:44,460
I was eating jelly beans.

3414
02:51:44,544 --> 02:51:46,045
Jelly beans are made with whey.

3415
02:51:46,129 --> 02:51:49,340
And I realized that if it coated
my throat and I didn't clear it,

3416
02:51:49,424 --> 02:51:52,468
it would make the voice very gurgly.

3417
02:51:52,552 --> 02:51:54,220
Even more gurgly than this.

3418
02:51:54,304 --> 02:51:59,183
<i>Make your wish.</i>

3419
02:51:59,267 --> 02:52:01,644
- Robert is an amazing artist,
so working with him

3420
02:52:01,728 --> 02:52:05,189
as a director, very specific,
but would then get out of the way.

3421
02:52:05,273 --> 02:52:08,192
Knew, of course, what he wanted.
Had done all the conceptual art.

3422
02:52:08,276 --> 02:52:10,653
I mean, he went to bed
and dreamed about it and woke up

3423
02:52:10,737 --> 02:52:12,030
and had breakfast with it.

3424
02:52:12,113 --> 02:52:16,284
There was no question
that he knew every single mile marker

3425
02:52:16,367 --> 02:52:17,327
on that long road.

3426
02:52:17,410 --> 02:52:19,912
<i>- A court sorcerer is said</i>
<i>to have imprisoned</i>

3427
02:52:19,996 --> 02:52:21,831
<i>an evil spirit within it.</i>

3428
02:52:21,914 --> 02:52:24,917
<i>A creature from the spaces</i>
<i>between the worlds. A Djinn.</i>

3429
02:52:25,001 --> 02:52:28,212
I stacked the cast with all these people
that I had worked with before.

3430
02:52:28,296 --> 02:52:30,840
Once Robert Englund was brought
onto the film, then it was like,

3431
02:52:30,923 --> 02:52:35,094
"Oh, well, why don't we get Kane Hodder
and get Tony Todd and then we have like,

3432
02:52:35,178 --> 02:52:38,431
these three icons of horror that
we can use as a marketing hook.

3433
02:52:38,514 --> 02:52:41,684
A lot of people call it like,
"<i>The Expendables</i> of horror films".

3434
02:52:41,768 --> 02:52:44,687
You had Ted Raimi and Danny Hicks
from <i>Evil Dead 2,</i>

3435
02:52:44,771 --> 02:52:46,314
Joe Pilato from <i>Day of the Dead</i>,

3436
02:52:46,397 --> 02:52:49,901
Angus Scrimm, his voiceover really sets
the tone at the opening of the movie.

3437
02:52:49,984 --> 02:52:52,236
<i>- In the time before time,</i>

3438
02:52:52,320 --> 02:52:54,781
<i>God breathed life into the universe.</i>

3439
02:52:54,864 --> 02:52:57,325
I just wanted all my friends
in the movie, you know?

3440
02:52:57,408 --> 02:52:59,869
<i>God, how I'd love</i>
<i>to host a party like that.</i>

3441
02:53:01,537 --> 02:53:02,663
<i>As you wish.</i>

3442
02:53:02,747 --> 02:53:05,416
My big monster brothers,
who were my mentors

3443
02:53:05,500 --> 02:53:07,835
for that film and were wonderful guides.

3444
02:53:07,919 --> 02:53:08,961
I'll never forget that.

3445
02:53:09,045 --> 02:53:13,508
<i>The name is Valentine.</i>
<i>Johnny Valentine.</i>

3446
02:53:13,591 --> 02:53:16,594
<i>You remember that when they</i>
<i>ask how you lost your eye.</i>

3447
02:53:16,677 --> 02:53:21,349
My favorite kill, approaching the guard,
played by Kane Hodder.

3448
02:53:21,432 --> 02:53:26,229
I asked Robert Kurtzman, would it be okay
to do this one right down the barrel?

3449
02:53:26,312 --> 02:53:29,232
I say, "I have to get in there",
something like that. And he says…

3450
02:53:29,315 --> 02:53:32,693
<i>Well, now you'd have to go through me</i>
<i>and that is something I would love to see.</i>

3451
02:53:32,777 --> 02:53:35,071
And so as I'm walking,
I look right down the lens

3452
02:53:35,154 --> 02:53:37,657
and I smile like, we know what's coming.

3453
02:53:45,498 --> 02:53:47,959
Bookending the movie
with these big action set pieces

3454
02:53:48,042 --> 02:53:49,836
was probably my favorite thing to do.

3455
02:53:49,919 --> 02:53:53,756
<i>Free us, Wizard.</i>
<i>Lift this curse. Help us.</i>

3456
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:56,551
I was very comfortable,
of course, in the doing those sequences,

3457
02:53:56,634 --> 02:53:58,678
because they were effects-heavy
sequences, too.

3458
02:54:03,433 --> 02:54:05,685
A true cult classic now.

3459
02:54:05,768 --> 02:54:08,312
In the hands of many
other directors that story

3460
02:54:08,396 --> 02:54:10,982
might have fallen flat,
but Bob really managed

3461
02:54:11,065 --> 02:54:12,984
to make it into something really fun.

3462
02:54:13,067 --> 02:54:15,361
- As the movie got older
and more people discovered it

3463
02:54:15,445 --> 02:54:17,280
over the years, it became more beloved.

3464
02:54:17,363 --> 02:54:19,991
And of course, it spawned
three sequels after that.

3465
02:54:20,074 --> 02:54:21,868
<i>- I want to walk right</i>
<i>through the bars, man.</i>

3466
02:54:21,951 --> 02:54:24,162
<i>-Walk right on out of the jail.</i>
<i>-Done.</i>

3467
02:54:27,832 --> 02:54:30,418
I'm always impressed
when I go to a fan convention

3468
02:54:30,501 --> 02:54:32,128
how many people love the character

3469
02:54:32,211 --> 02:54:34,964
and they come up
with <i>Wishmaster</i>-inspired things.

3470
02:54:35,047 --> 02:54:37,717
So I just love that people love it
all these years later.

3471
02:54:41,220 --> 02:54:44,515
What a beautiful, beautiful monster
they came up with.

3472
02:54:44,599 --> 02:54:46,726
<i>Did I hear you say, "freeze"?</i>

3473
02:54:49,395 --> 02:54:50,396
- I made this.

3474
02:54:50,480 --> 02:54:52,940
This is my version of the <i>Wishmaster</i>.

3475
02:54:53,024 --> 02:54:58,196
It is a 360-degree version.
Took me 200 hours to sculpt.

3476
02:54:58,279 --> 02:54:59,655
This is 2 ounces of silver.

3477
02:54:59,739 --> 02:55:02,116
And it's quite beautiful
if I say so myself.

3478
02:55:02,200 --> 02:55:03,951
<i>Magic.</i>

3479
02:55:04,035 --> 02:55:06,662
I can't tell you, a kid that grew up
not being able

3480
02:55:06,746 --> 02:55:09,290
to see horror movies
to now know that I guess

3481
02:55:09,373 --> 02:55:13,544
in some way or another it is
in the pantheon of monsters,

3482
02:55:13,628 --> 02:55:15,630
monster movies. I couldn't be prouder.

3483
02:55:15,713 --> 02:55:17,423
<i>Pleasure doing business with you.</i>

3484
02:55:24,597 --> 02:55:29,227
<i>- Texas Chainsaw Massacre:</i>
<i>The Next Generation.</i>

3485
02:55:29,310 --> 02:55:30,853
The <i>Texas Chainsaw Massacre.</i>

3486
02:55:30,937 --> 02:55:33,814
That's not a found footage film,
but God bless America

3487
02:55:33,898 --> 02:55:35,441
did it feel like I was watching something

3488
02:55:35,525 --> 02:55:37,568
I shouldn't have been watching
when I first saw it.

3489
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:42,865
What I love about <i>Return</i>
<i>of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre</i>

3490
02:55:42,949 --> 02:55:45,826
is that it is written and directed
by the screenwriter of the original.

3491
02:55:45,910 --> 02:55:48,538
He had written about these kids
being carved up by this family

3492
02:55:48,621 --> 02:55:51,582
Twenty years earlier and the sympathies
are all with those kids.

3493
02:55:51,666 --> 02:55:54,544
He comes back a middle-aged man
and he fucking hates those kids.

3494
02:55:54,627 --> 02:55:57,088
<i>Guys need sex, okay?</i>
<i>You can get prostrate cancer.</i>

3495
02:55:57,171 --> 02:55:59,006
<i>You can't get cancer from not having sex.</i>

3496
02:55:59,090 --> 02:56:01,592
<i>Like you'd know. Never had a date</i>
<i>in your life. You're so ugly.</i>

3497
02:56:01,676 --> 02:56:02,718
They're terrible people.

3498
02:56:02,802 --> 02:56:05,221
You kind of are fully
on the side of the family

3499
02:56:05,304 --> 02:56:07,848
when these teens get got as they say.

3500
02:56:07,932 --> 02:56:09,100
<i>Heather!</i>

3501
02:56:12,853 --> 02:56:15,064
We are gifted with a <i>Texas Chainsaw</i> movie

3502
02:56:15,147 --> 02:56:17,275
that has Renée Zellweger
and Matthew McConaughey in it.

3503
02:56:17,358 --> 02:56:18,901
<i>Stop. You're scaring me.</i>

3504
02:56:18,985 --> 02:56:21,779
<i>You don't know shit about being scared,</i>
<i>little girl. Not yet.</i>

3505
02:56:21,862 --> 02:56:25,783
The first time you see Leatherface in
<i>Texas Chainsaw: The Next Generation</i>,

3506
02:56:25,866 --> 02:56:28,619
and it's one of the most unsettling,
strange moments

3507
02:56:28,703 --> 02:56:30,871
Kim didn't want to let go of.

3508
02:56:30,955 --> 02:56:33,416
That he's not just running towards you
with a chainsaw.

3509
02:56:33,499 --> 02:56:35,501
That there's a lot going on
in this character

3510
02:56:35,585 --> 02:56:37,587
that is very strange and unpredictable.

3511
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:40,923
There's two versions of Leatherface
in nine movies

3512
02:56:41,007 --> 02:56:42,842
that is shrill and shrieking,

3513
02:56:42,925 --> 02:56:45,219
and feels like something unknowable.

3514
02:56:45,303 --> 02:56:47,221
And it's the original and it's this one.

3515
02:56:48,723 --> 02:56:50,266
<i>Stop! Stop!</i>

3516
02:56:51,976 --> 02:56:54,854
- He's the angry, screaming teen
when he's got that one face on

3517
02:56:54,937 --> 02:56:57,315
and then he gets dressed for dinner
and he's a little more ladylike.

3518
02:56:59,150 --> 02:57:00,735
<i>You sit the fuck down!</i>

3519
02:57:00,818 --> 02:57:03,571
I like to refer to Leatherface
in the they/them pronouns

3520
02:57:03,654 --> 02:57:06,574
because I believe
they are in this discovery

3521
02:57:06,657 --> 02:57:08,659
of what their identity may be.

3522
02:57:08,743 --> 02:57:11,329
I thought it was really profound
and powerful the way that

3523
02:57:11,412 --> 02:57:13,080
they presented Leatherface in that film.

3524
02:57:13,164 --> 02:57:15,499
And I think if you get too attached
to wanting

3525
02:57:15,583 --> 02:57:18,127
your movie monsters to be exactly the way

3526
02:57:18,210 --> 02:57:20,129
that they were when you first
fell in love with them,

3527
02:57:20,212 --> 02:57:22,381
then you're never going
to appreciate their--

3528
02:57:22,465 --> 02:57:24,925
all these incredible manifestations
of the way

3529
02:57:25,009 --> 02:57:27,053
these characters can evolve over time.

3530
02:57:27,136 --> 02:57:29,805
- I think Kim, it's part
of a world that he's lived in

3531
02:57:29,889 --> 02:57:31,641
for so long, that he helped birth

3532
02:57:31,724 --> 02:57:34,560
and then he understands it
really, really well.

3533
02:57:34,644 --> 02:57:38,105
<i>Are we having a party or what?</i>
<i>Here we go!</i>

3534
02:57:38,189 --> 02:57:40,274
<i>I'm sorry! Please, no!</i>

3535
02:57:40,358 --> 02:57:41,359
<i>Fire in the hole!</i>

3536
02:57:41,442 --> 02:57:42,568
- What's scary is the family.

3537
02:57:42,652 --> 02:57:44,695
And Leatherface is only one facet
of the family.

3538
02:57:44,779 --> 02:57:46,405
The idea that the tow truck driver

3539
02:57:46,489 --> 02:57:49,158
who's gonna pick up your car
is going to murder you.

3540
02:57:49,241 --> 02:57:50,868
<i>Boy's dead.</i>

3541
02:57:50,951 --> 02:57:52,953
<i>No, he's not.</i>
<i>He just passed out.</i>

3542
02:57:54,497 --> 02:57:55,706
<i>- He's dead now.</i>

3543
02:57:55,790 --> 02:57:59,710
Or that the nice real estate lady
with the boob job is part of this family.

3544
02:57:59,794 --> 02:58:03,339
<i>Phony three dollar bills.</i>
<i>Changed my life, though.</i>

3545
02:58:03,422 --> 02:58:05,257
It resonates more for me
as I get older, I think,

3546
02:58:05,341 --> 02:58:07,968
that there are people who are
kind of functioning members

3547
02:58:08,052 --> 02:58:10,638
of society who are really batshit.

3548
02:58:10,721 --> 02:58:14,266
There's something so wonderful
and true to the spirit

3549
02:58:14,350 --> 02:58:16,727
of what Tobe Hooper created
in the first film

3550
02:58:16,811 --> 02:58:19,063
and yet takes it now into the '90s.

3551
02:58:19,146 --> 02:58:22,483
There is this weird almost Wall Street

3552
02:58:22,566 --> 02:58:27,780
secret society culture of wealth
that is somehow exploited

3553
02:58:27,863 --> 02:58:31,117
like the deep dark heart
of American farmland

3554
02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:35,037
and you go, "Oh my God,
this is a movie of right now."

3555
02:58:35,121 --> 02:58:37,331
<i>Do you know how you always hear</i>
<i>these stories about these people</i>

3556
02:58:37,415 --> 02:58:39,625
<i>who run everything,</i>
<i>but nobody knows who they are?</i>

3557
02:58:39,709 --> 02:58:40,710
<i>Well, it's true.</i>

3558
02:58:40,793 --> 02:58:43,337
It's kind of meta but nobody
gives it credit for being meta.

3559
02:58:43,421 --> 02:58:46,841
This Illuminati character,
with his pierced nipples and whatnot,

3560
02:58:46,924 --> 02:58:49,301
pulls up in the limo
and he chastises them,

3561
02:58:49,385 --> 02:58:52,513
'cause he's the boss and to me
the only thing that makes sense

3562
02:58:52,596 --> 02:58:55,224
is that that's an avatar for Kim Henkel.

3563
02:58:55,307 --> 02:59:00,354
<i>I want these people</i>
<i>to know the meaning of horror.</i>

3564
02:59:00,438 --> 02:59:02,565
It played once in '95 under <i>Return</i>

3565
02:59:02,648 --> 02:59:05,484
and then it got released in '97
under the title, <i>Next Generation.</i>

3566
02:59:05,568 --> 02:59:08,279
Matthew McConaughey
and Renée Zellweger were just

3567
02:59:08,362 --> 02:59:11,490
starting their careers when they got cast
in <i>Texas Chainsaw: Next Generation.</i>

3568
02:59:11,574 --> 02:59:13,743
By the time the film actually came out,

3569
02:59:13,826 --> 02:59:16,704
they wanted to distance themselves
from it and it's a shame,

3570
02:59:16,787 --> 02:59:22,209
because it is a strange kind of experiment
in what horror could be

3571
02:59:22,293 --> 02:59:24,795
and I think it's one of the most
underrated films in the canon.

3572
02:59:24,879 --> 02:59:28,716
<i>Welcome to my world.</i>

3573
02:59:38,726 --> 02:59:40,895
<i>- I Know What You Did Last Summer.</i>

3574
02:59:40,978 --> 02:59:43,689
If I'm gonna be perfectly honest
like I was like

3575
02:59:43,773 --> 02:59:49,278
a '90s ironic cool kid like I enjoyed
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer,</i>

3576
02:59:49,361 --> 02:59:52,573
but I smoked a Parliament afterwards
and made fun of it.

3577
02:59:52,656 --> 02:59:57,703
<i>To our last summer of immature</i>
<i>adolescent decadence.</i>

3578
02:59:57,787 --> 03:00:00,372
I think I was like a little too cool
for school back then.

3579
03:00:00,456 --> 03:00:02,208
I think that I could appreciate it more.

3580
03:00:07,588 --> 03:00:10,424
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer</i>
has such an elegant set-up.

3581
03:00:10,508 --> 03:00:15,346
It's a bunch of kids that are having fun
and driving a windy road

3582
03:00:15,429 --> 03:00:16,931
and they accidentally hit somebody.

3583
03:00:17,014 --> 03:00:18,516
<i>Watch out!</i>

3584
03:00:20,518 --> 03:00:23,771
They all panic and freak out
and talk about what to do.

3585
03:00:23,854 --> 03:00:25,523
<i>This is your future, Julie.</i>

3586
03:00:25,606 --> 03:00:28,234
<i>College. It's your scholarship.</i>

3587
03:00:28,317 --> 03:00:31,278
<i>The guy's already dead.</i>
<i>If we go to the police, we're dead, too.</i>

3588
03:00:31,362 --> 03:00:33,197
And they make the very
unfortunate decision

3589
03:00:33,280 --> 03:00:37,034
to not say anything
and they let it fester for a year.

3590
03:00:37,117 --> 03:00:39,078
<i>We make a pact.</i>

3591
03:00:39,161 --> 03:00:41,038
<i>Right here and now,</i>
<i>we take this to our grave.</i>

3592
03:00:41,121 --> 03:00:43,082
- That is kind of where the story starts.

3593
03:00:43,165 --> 03:00:46,126
This is the post-<i>Scream</i> world,
so now studios are like

3594
03:00:46,210 --> 03:00:48,546
very into teenagers.
Very into teen horror.

3595
03:00:48,629 --> 03:00:50,840
They're seeing money signs everywhere.

3596
03:00:50,923 --> 03:00:54,093
It stars Freddie Prinze Jr.,
Jennifer Love Hewitt,

3597
03:00:54,176 --> 03:00:56,512
Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Ryan Phillippe.

3598
03:00:56,595 --> 03:00:59,807
Jennifer Love Hewitt was already
a big star on the small screen.

3599
03:00:59,890 --> 03:01:01,851
She goes from the small screen
Party of Five

3600
03:01:01,934 --> 03:01:05,980
to the party of four killer teenagers
in <i>I Know What You Did Last Summer.</i>

3601
03:01:06,063 --> 03:01:08,649
<i>He's just out there</i>
<i>and he's watching us and waiting.</i>

3602
03:01:08,732 --> 03:01:13,529
<i>What are you waiting for? Huh?</i>
<i>What are you waiting for?</i>

3603
03:01:13,571 --> 03:01:17,533
This was written by Kevin Williamson
before he wrote <i>Scream</i> actually.

3604
03:01:17,575 --> 03:01:19,952
He had the script for
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer</i>.

3605
03:01:20,035 --> 03:01:21,287
That's why the script didn't sell.

3606
03:01:21,370 --> 03:01:23,998
<i>Scream</i> hit it big
and then suddenly everybody

3607
03:01:24,081 --> 03:01:26,667
was knocking on Kevin Williamson's door.
"What else you got?"

3608
03:01:26,750 --> 03:01:27,960
Lucky for us he said,

3609
03:01:28,043 --> 03:01:30,754
"Boom, I've got this little thing called,
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer.</i>"

3610
03:01:30,796 --> 03:01:32,047
Behind you!

3611
03:01:33,215 --> 03:01:35,217
<i>No!</i>

3612
03:01:36,969 --> 03:01:40,639
This film was rushed into production
following the success of <i>Scream</i>.

3613
03:01:40,723 --> 03:01:42,433
But the similarities end there.

3614
03:01:42,516 --> 03:01:45,269
Directed by Jim Gillespie,
who didn't do a lot of horror,

3615
03:01:45,352 --> 03:01:48,522
the film was adapted from a 1973 novel

3616
03:01:48,606 --> 03:01:51,400
and the novelist purportedly was horrified

3617
03:01:51,483 --> 03:01:54,403
that they turned her story
into a slasher movie,

3618
03:01:54,486 --> 03:01:55,821
but it worked so well.

3619
03:01:58,449 --> 03:02:00,868
You've got a really imposing
figure in the killer

3620
03:02:00,951 --> 03:02:04,955
and he's using a fisherman's hook
played by Muse Watson. Perfection.

3621
03:02:05,039 --> 03:02:06,624
<i>What do you want?</i>

3622
03:02:08,834 --> 03:02:11,170
We get a little bit
of the <i>Scooby-Doo</i> element

3623
03:02:11,253 --> 03:02:13,088
in the sense that it's a whodunnit.

3624
03:02:13,172 --> 03:02:17,217
We're introduced to characters
and storylines very early on.

3625
03:02:17,301 --> 03:02:18,802
We're planting seeds.

3626
03:02:18,886 --> 03:02:21,889
<i>Hey!</i>
<i>You forgot your cigarettes.</i>

3627
03:02:21,931 --> 03:02:24,350
We're going this direction,
this direction, this direction.

3628
03:02:24,433 --> 03:02:25,976
A lot of misdirection.

3629
03:02:28,270 --> 03:02:30,981
And typical of the era,
<i>I Know What You Did Last Summer</i>

3630
03:02:31,065 --> 03:02:36,570
is jam-packed with amazing banger tracks
from bands who were big at the time.

3631
03:02:36,654 --> 03:02:41,241
You've got Kula Shaker,
Offspring, Korn, Soul Asylum,

3632
03:02:41,325 --> 03:02:44,078
a veritable who's who
of the '90s alt-rock scene.

3633
03:02:45,704 --> 03:02:48,916
The film was such a hit that
a sequel was perhaps inevitable

3634
03:02:48,999 --> 03:02:51,961
and indeed the very last stinger
at the end of the film

3635
03:02:52,044 --> 03:02:53,337
sets it up perfectly.

3636
03:02:54,421 --> 03:02:56,548
For <i>I Still Know What You Did Last Summer</i>,

3637
03:02:56,632 --> 03:03:00,260
Jennifer Love Hewitt,
Freddie Prinze Jr., and Muse Watson

3638
03:03:00,344 --> 03:03:03,305
return to their roles from the original.

3639
03:03:08,102 --> 03:03:11,438
And they're joined by newcomers
Brandy, Mekhi Phifer,

3640
03:03:11,522 --> 03:03:12,898
and Matthew Settle.

3641
03:03:16,402 --> 03:03:18,904
Trey Callaway steps in
and pens this script.

3642
03:03:18,988 --> 03:03:21,448
The movie like <i>I Still Know</i>
<i>What You Did Last Summer is</i>

3643
03:03:21,532 --> 03:03:24,493
<i>so bankrupt of ideas</i>
<i>that it can't even come up</i>

3644
03:03:24,576 --> 03:03:26,036
<i>with interesting clichés.</i>

3645
03:03:26,120 --> 03:03:29,331
Wasn't that the karaoke scene
where she's like singing karaoke

3646
03:03:29,415 --> 03:03:31,083
and then it says,
<i>"I Know What You Did Last Summer"</i>

3647
03:03:31,166 --> 03:03:34,378
on the karaoke machine?
Like that is iconic.

3648
03:03:34,461 --> 03:03:35,838
<i>-Come on.</i>
<i>-Hey.</i>

3649
03:03:44,972 --> 03:03:46,306
<i>- The Creeps.</i>

3650
03:03:46,390 --> 03:03:49,435
One of the most bizarre films
in the Full Moon canon

3651
03:03:49,518 --> 03:03:51,645
is a little movie called, "The Creeps".

3652
03:03:51,729 --> 03:03:53,147
It was directed by Charlie Band,

3653
03:03:53,230 --> 03:03:56,191
the great cinematographer
Adolfo Bartoli shot it.

3654
03:03:56,275 --> 03:03:58,569
It's the story of a mad scientist

3655
03:03:58,652 --> 03:04:01,697
who wants to recreate
all of the classic monsters

3656
03:04:01,780 --> 03:04:03,615
of the Universal horror films.

3657
03:04:03,699 --> 03:04:07,494
Something goes wrong along the way
and he creates the monsters,

3658
03:04:07,578 --> 03:04:11,331
but they are all little diminutive
monsters played by

3659
03:04:11,415 --> 03:04:14,168
Phil Fondacaro and a number
of other actors.

3660
03:04:14,251 --> 03:04:19,381
<i>You will be so kind as to explain</i>
<i>all of this, my friend.</i>

3661
03:04:19,465 --> 03:04:22,301
Phil Fondacaro was kind of like
a part of the family

3662
03:04:22,384 --> 03:04:23,886
for a long, long time.

3663
03:04:23,969 --> 03:04:27,973
As far back, or probably farther back than
John Buechler's film, <i>Troll</i>.

3664
03:04:28,057 --> 03:04:30,309
<i>Welcome, Brother Elf.</i>

3665
03:04:30,392 --> 03:04:32,603
I've always had this fascination
with little people

3666
03:04:32,686 --> 03:04:34,688
and they've been woven in
and out of my movies

3667
03:04:34,772 --> 03:04:37,232
and I thought, "You know,
wouldn't it be cool to

3668
03:04:37,316 --> 03:04:40,360
take some of the classic monsters
of literature…

3669
03:04:40,444 --> 03:04:43,322
<i>Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yes.</i>

3670
03:04:43,405 --> 03:04:46,241
This mad scientist type character,
what he needs to do

3671
03:04:46,325 --> 03:04:48,911
is to steal the original manuscripts

3672
03:04:48,994 --> 03:04:51,371
of Shelley's <i>Frankenstein</i>
and so forth and so on.

3673
03:04:51,455 --> 03:04:52,915
<i>Freeze, book thief!</i>

3674
03:04:55,209 --> 03:04:59,129
Puts these manuscripts in some
sort of hocus-pocus contraption.

3675
03:04:59,213 --> 03:05:02,633
He's got these pods that are,
you know, 7 feet tall

3676
03:05:02,716 --> 03:05:06,011
and that's where we are waiting
as an audience for Frankenstein

3677
03:05:06,095 --> 03:05:07,638
to come back, and the werewolf
to come back,

3678
03:05:07,721 --> 03:05:08,722
and the mummy to come back.

3679
03:05:08,806 --> 03:05:09,848
<i>In just a few minutes,</i>

3680
03:05:09,932 --> 03:05:12,810
<i>I am going to bring four cultural</i>
<i>archetypes to life.</i>

3681
03:05:12,893 --> 03:05:16,772
<i>The four figures most emblematic</i>
<i>of the powers of d-- darkness.</i>

3682
03:05:16,855 --> 03:05:19,316
And boom, boom, boom, he does it
and all these doors open

3683
03:05:19,399 --> 03:05:22,194
and they all walk out,
but they are 3-feet tall dwarves.

3684
03:05:22,277 --> 03:05:25,197
<i>I am told almost everyone knows of me.</i>

3685
03:05:25,280 --> 03:05:29,201
<i>Though, perhaps you imagined me</i>
<i>somewhat taller.</i>

3686
03:05:29,284 --> 03:05:31,495
In addition to that,
which was already challenging,

3687
03:05:31,578 --> 03:05:34,289
this is back in the 35mm days,

3688
03:05:34,373 --> 03:05:36,166
I thought, "Wow, we got to make
this movie in 3D."

3689
03:05:36,250 --> 03:05:39,795
Now no one could care less at that time.
3D was dead again.

3690
03:05:39,878 --> 03:05:42,881
Back then you had to equip the screen.

3691
03:05:42,965 --> 03:05:45,008
And so it was not like,
oh, you just put a different print in.

3692
03:05:45,092 --> 03:05:47,010
You had the screen,
and the thing, and the lenses.

3693
03:05:47,094 --> 03:05:49,805
So I remember finishing
the movie, and we tested it,

3694
03:05:49,888 --> 03:05:51,849
and it looked great,
if you had the glasses.

3695
03:05:51,932 --> 03:05:55,936
But then there was so much resistance
from the distributors to equipping movies.

3696
03:05:56,019 --> 03:05:58,147
Said, "You're-- no one is gonna
be interested in this movie.

3697
03:05:58,230 --> 03:05:59,690
Plus, what the fuck movie is this about?

3698
03:05:59,773 --> 03:06:02,234
Like these little dwarves
and Frankenstein."

3699
03:06:06,655 --> 03:06:09,199
But I am proud of the movie
and other than those few people

3700
03:06:09,283 --> 03:06:13,620
at that one screening who saw it in 3D,
no one on Earth has seen it in 3D.

3701
03:06:13,704 --> 03:06:15,539
And then I would have people ask me,

3702
03:06:15,622 --> 03:06:18,959
who didn't know that it was originally
filmed as a 3D movie,

3703
03:06:19,042 --> 03:06:20,836
"How come this thing is poking
at the screen?"

3704
03:06:20,919 --> 03:06:22,629
'Cause you know, I did tricks
that are 3D tricks.

3705
03:06:22,713 --> 03:06:24,590
<i>You better stay right</i>
<i>where you are, little guy,</i>

3706
03:06:24,673 --> 03:06:26,008
<i>or I'm gonna brain you with this.</i>

3707
03:06:26,091 --> 03:06:28,844
"Director is weird. He's like doing stuff
that doesn't make any sense."

3708
03:06:28,927 --> 03:06:32,389
As small as this movie was in scope

3709
03:06:32,472 --> 03:06:35,684
and literally with as the--
the leads, it looks beautiful.

3710
03:06:35,767 --> 03:06:37,936
I think the 3D when people see it
are gonna love it.

3711
03:06:38,020 --> 03:06:40,647
And the makeup effects, I think,
are just fantastic.

3712
03:06:42,691 --> 03:06:46,236
So come on. You can't fault us
for not being unique.

3713
03:06:46,320 --> 03:06:51,783
<i>And we four, we nightmares</i>
<i>shall walk the night again.</i>

3714
03:06:58,707 --> 03:07:01,001
<i>- You've always wanted</i>
<i>to know what hell was like.</i>

3715
03:07:01,084 --> 03:07:02,794
<i>Now you will know.</i>

3716
03:07:02,878 --> 03:07:06,006
Another fascinating King adaptation
from the '90s is <i>The Night Flyer</i>.

3717
03:07:06,089 --> 03:07:07,841
It's one of those premises
from a King short story

3718
03:07:07,925 --> 03:07:08,967
that you don't think is gonna work.

3719
03:07:09,051 --> 03:07:11,220
It's about a vampire who flies a Cessna

3720
03:07:11,303 --> 03:07:13,180
and he lands in different airports,
and he kills people,

3721
03:07:13,263 --> 03:07:14,431
and then he takes off again.

3722
03:07:16,975 --> 03:07:18,477
It's funny. It's dark.

3723
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:19,645
It's one of those things
where you're like,

3724
03:07:19,728 --> 03:07:23,065
"Why hasn't this been explored
before in the vampire canon?"

3725
03:07:23,148 --> 03:07:26,318
<i>Oh, Jesus, save me.</i>

3726
03:07:26,401 --> 03:07:29,196
Miguel Ferrer plays the lead
as a tabloid reporter

3727
03:07:29,279 --> 03:07:31,448
who's chasing down the story
of the <i>Night Flier</i>.

3728
03:07:31,531 --> 03:07:34,117
The movie's real good.
He's great in it.

3729
03:07:34,201 --> 03:07:35,786
<i>I said, move it along, buddy.</i>

3730
03:07:35,869 --> 03:07:38,455
<i>Get your hands off me, pal.</i>
<i>I'm the fucking press.</i>

3731
03:07:38,538 --> 03:07:41,959
There's a sequence that starts
with one of the coolest,

3732
03:07:42,042 --> 03:07:43,710
weirdest, and funniest things
I've ever seen,

3733
03:07:43,794 --> 03:07:47,547
where he's in a bathroom,
and he's at the mirror,

3734
03:07:47,631 --> 03:07:49,967
and he hears someone come in,

3735
03:07:50,050 --> 03:07:52,511
but he's looking in the reflection
and he can't see anybody.

3736
03:07:52,594 --> 03:07:55,305
And the vampire goes to a urinal
and you just see

3737
03:07:55,389 --> 03:07:59,101
a phantom stream of bloody piss
in the urinal,

3738
03:07:59,184 --> 03:08:01,228
'cause the vampire is taking a leak.

3739
03:08:03,772 --> 03:08:05,816
After that scene,
there's a great conversation

3740
03:08:05,899 --> 03:08:08,151
between the vampire and the reporter.

3741
03:08:08,235 --> 03:08:09,903
<i>- Listen closely, my inquisitive friend.</i>

3742
03:08:09,987 --> 03:08:14,241
<i>Do not follow me anymore</i>
<i>or I will swallow you whole.</i>

3743
03:08:14,324 --> 03:08:18,954
And then a nightmarish final sequence
in the airport

3744
03:08:19,037 --> 03:08:23,959
that is terrifying, and dark,
and really brutal.

3745
03:08:24,042 --> 03:08:26,169
<i>You know what I had to do</i>
<i>to get this, Richard?</i>

3746
03:08:28,088 --> 03:08:29,923
<i>I had to pull it out of me.</i>

3747
03:08:30,007 --> 03:08:33,093
But ends on a perfect note
that is completely dictated by

3748
03:08:33,176 --> 03:08:34,344
who that character is.

3749
03:08:34,428 --> 03:08:35,929
I think <i>The Night Flier</i> is a blast.

3750
03:08:47,566 --> 03:08:49,401
<i>- Jack Frost.</i>

3751
03:08:49,484 --> 03:08:51,778
<i>Jack Frost</i>, 1997.

3752
03:08:51,862 --> 03:08:55,574
Not to be confused with <i>Jack Frost</i>, 1998.

3753
03:08:55,657 --> 03:08:56,950
<i>Charlie, it's me, Dad!</i>

3754
03:08:57,034 --> 03:08:59,369
<i>-I can explain everything!</i>
<i>-Ah, get away from me! Ah!</i>

3755
03:08:59,453 --> 03:09:01,330
<i>Well, I can't explain the part</i>
<i>about me being a snowman.</i>

3756
03:09:01,413 --> 03:09:07,002
Concerns a serial killer who,
in transit to death row,

3757
03:09:07,085 --> 03:09:10,922
is involved in a collision
with a genetic research truck.

3758
03:09:11,006 --> 03:09:14,009
<i>Looks like deep-fried Jack's off the menu.</i>

3759
03:09:17,346 --> 03:09:21,308
And winds up turned
into an abominable snowman.

3760
03:09:22,934 --> 03:09:24,770
<i>Well, it ain't fuckin' Frosty!</i>

3761
03:09:24,853 --> 03:09:26,480
Listen, I couldn't make this up.

3762
03:09:26,563 --> 03:09:30,233
<i>-What the hell are you?</i>
<i>-World's most pissed-off snow cone.</i>

3763
03:09:30,317 --> 03:09:34,237
The result of which is a snowman
wreaking havoc

3764
03:09:34,321 --> 03:09:36,907
in the holiday season with crazy kills

3765
03:09:36,990 --> 03:09:40,243
that all have to do
with Christmas ephemera.

3766
03:09:40,327 --> 03:09:43,705
<i>"Here's the windup and the pitch!"</i>

3767
03:09:44,706 --> 03:09:49,002
Icicles, broken ornaments, name it,
they just throw it at the camera.

3768
03:09:51,713 --> 03:09:56,134
This film was directed by Michael Cooney,
who also went on to direct the sequel,

3769
03:09:56,218 --> 03:09:59,388
and it's entirely a labor of love.

3770
03:09:59,471 --> 03:10:01,223
<i>Who's Jack Frost?</i>

3771
03:10:01,306 --> 03:10:04,893
<i>Jack Frost is a very bad man,</i>
<i>honey, but now he's gone. Oof.</i>

3772
03:10:04,976 --> 03:10:07,104
Michael Cooney actually intended this film

3773
03:10:07,187 --> 03:10:11,316
to be a big-budget blockbuster,
but when the film landed,

3774
03:10:11,400 --> 03:10:14,986
famously, on the table
of none other than Renny Harlin,

3775
03:10:15,070 --> 03:10:18,281
his partner at the time,
Geena Davis, said, "No way."

3776
03:10:18,365 --> 03:10:20,367
<i>I just saw something that</i>
<i>doesn't belong in this world,</i>

3777
03:10:20,450 --> 03:10:21,868
<i>and it's out there killing my friends.</i>

3778
03:10:21,952 --> 03:10:23,912
<i>-Now tell me what it is!</i>
<i>-Jack Frost.</i>

3779
03:10:23,995 --> 03:10:25,872
I'm so sorry, Shannon Elizabeth.

3780
03:10:25,956 --> 03:10:29,960
Perhaps, she would like to strike this one
from her filmography, but she did make

3781
03:10:30,043 --> 03:10:34,714
her big screen debut in a very
MeToo questionable scene

3782
03:10:34,798 --> 03:10:37,134
involving Jack Frost in the shower.

3783
03:10:41,555 --> 03:10:44,766
The snowman actually ate up
a lot of the budget.

3784
03:10:44,850 --> 03:10:49,438
It was created by Screaming Mad George
and they had only one for the entire shoot

3785
03:10:49,521 --> 03:10:52,399
and had to make him as menacing
as they could.

3786
03:10:52,482 --> 03:10:53,442
They worked it out.

3787
03:10:55,402 --> 03:10:58,280
<i>Frostbite, next time we'll use mistletoe.</i>

3788
03:10:58,363 --> 03:11:00,157
As the shoot progressed, of course,

3789
03:11:00,240 --> 03:11:03,118
this white costume just got
dirtier and dirtier

3790
03:11:03,201 --> 03:11:05,328
as the film gets dirtier,
come to think of it.

3791
03:11:05,412 --> 03:11:08,874
<i>You are so fucking dead.</i>

3792
03:11:08,957 --> 03:11:10,876
<i>Just what I was thinking.</i>

3793
03:11:10,959 --> 03:11:13,420
And by the end of it,
the cast was so delighted

3794
03:11:13,503 --> 03:11:15,338
to be rid of it that
they actually burned it.

3795
03:11:15,422 --> 03:11:17,549
<i>Somebody remember to put out the cat.</i>

3796
03:11:20,844 --> 03:11:23,472
It definitely had a shoestring budget
that it stretched

3797
03:11:23,555 --> 03:11:26,308
as far as it would go,
but I think the affection

3798
03:11:26,391 --> 03:11:28,727
for the material
and the humor that permeates

3799
03:11:28,810 --> 03:11:30,729
throughout is really palpable

3800
03:11:30,812 --> 03:11:33,815
and why it remains
a cult classic to this day.

3801
03:11:33,899 --> 03:11:35,108
<i>-Hey, Jack!</i>
<i>-What?</i>

3802
03:11:35,192 --> 03:11:37,235
<i>What's the difference between</i>
<i>snowmen and snowwomen?</i>

3803
03:11:37,319 --> 03:11:39,571
<i>-I don't know.</i>
<i>-No balls.</i>

3804
03:11:49,414 --> 03:11:51,708
<i>- What's your favorite scary movie?</i>

3805
03:11:51,791 --> 03:11:54,377
So the success of <i>Scream </i>meant
that a sequel

3806
03:11:54,461 --> 03:11:58,465
was pretty much inevitable,
but how do you top <i>Scream</i> exactly?

3807
03:11:58,548 --> 03:12:01,343
Any good sequel is going
to take the root film

3808
03:12:01,426 --> 03:12:03,428
and expand upon its world.

3809
03:12:03,512 --> 03:12:06,973
What <i>Scream 2</i> did was it took
the meta even further.

3810
03:12:09,351 --> 03:12:11,061
<i>- Look out back.</i>

3811
03:12:11,144 --> 03:12:13,438
<i>Do you see your boyfriend anywhere?</i>

3812
03:12:13,522 --> 03:12:14,940
That's pretty much a perfect sequel.

3813
03:12:15,023 --> 03:12:18,235
<i>More blood, more gore.</i>
<i>Carnage candy.</i>

3814
03:12:18,318 --> 03:12:19,736
<i>Your core audience just expects it.</i>

3815
03:12:19,819 --> 03:12:21,321
I really thought <i>Scream</i> was a one-off.

3816
03:12:21,404 --> 03:12:24,115
I mean in a way it was perceived
and then ended.

3817
03:12:24,199 --> 03:12:27,244
To me, it could have been a one-off
and been perfect and done with it.

3818
03:12:29,371 --> 03:12:30,372
<i>Not in my movie.</i>

3819
03:12:30,455 --> 03:12:31,998
Dewey was dead.

3820
03:12:32,082 --> 03:12:34,042
Tested so well,
that Wes shot him giving him

3821
03:12:34,125 --> 03:12:35,710
the thumbs-up just in case.

3822
03:12:35,794 --> 03:12:38,880
And so it's little things
like that gave it life to go.

3823
03:12:38,964 --> 03:12:41,216
<i>- Hello, Sidney.</i>

3824
03:12:41,299 --> 03:12:42,300
<i>Yes?</i>

3825
03:12:42,384 --> 03:12:44,553
<i>- What's your favorite scary movie?</i>

3826
03:12:44,636 --> 03:12:49,849
<i>Scream 2</i> starts off with Omar Epps
and Jada Pinkett Smith.

3827
03:12:49,933 --> 03:12:52,352
And you kind of knew that
if they're in the opening,

3828
03:12:52,435 --> 03:12:53,562
they're gonna die.

3829
03:12:56,147 --> 03:12:58,024
<i>Scream 2</i> knew it had to one-up itself,

3830
03:12:58,108 --> 03:13:01,403
so then it took great pleasure
in breaking its own rules.

3831
03:13:05,490 --> 03:13:08,410
- The vibe on 2 was incredible.

3832
03:13:08,493 --> 03:13:11,705
The vibe on 1 was amazing,
but I was scared, you know?

3833
03:13:11,788 --> 03:13:15,834
And-- but we were all just kind of like
this little amoeba being born.

3834
03:13:15,917 --> 03:13:18,753
But 2 was like, "Wow,
we have something in the can."

3835
03:13:18,837 --> 03:13:21,172
You know, David and Courteney
were becoming an item.

3836
03:13:21,256 --> 03:13:24,301
And Neve and Matt were an item.
But Matt was dead.

3837
03:13:24,384 --> 03:13:26,344
Skeet was dead.
So then we had these newids.

3838
03:13:26,428 --> 03:13:29,014
Like I felt very, the cock of the walk.

3839
03:13:29,097 --> 03:13:31,600
I felt very comfortable.
I mean, it was our world, man.

3840
03:13:31,683 --> 03:13:33,310
So we were-- took over this college

3841
03:13:33,393 --> 03:13:37,272
for a whole summer and had fun.
We had parties. A lot of fun.

3842
03:13:37,355 --> 03:13:40,233
Portia de Rossi and myself,
we were both auditioning

3843
03:13:40,317 --> 03:13:41,151
for the same role.

3844
03:13:41,234 --> 03:13:43,278
They turned that character
into two people,

3845
03:13:43,361 --> 03:13:44,654
'cause they couldn't decide
who they wanted.

3846
03:13:44,738 --> 03:13:46,990
<i>This must be flat out hell for you.</i>

3847
03:13:47,073 --> 03:13:47,991
<i>I manage.</i>

3848
03:13:48,074 --> 03:13:50,285
<i>Sid, we have our eyes on you.</i>

3849
03:13:50,368 --> 03:13:52,579
<i>You hang in there</i>
<i>and if there is anything we can do…</i>

3850
03:13:52,662 --> 03:13:53,955
People wanted to be in the movie.

3851
03:13:54,039 --> 03:13:58,084
They were clamoring for it.
And Stab was just wild.

3852
03:13:58,168 --> 03:14:02,088
Luke being Skeet and Heather being Drew.

3853
03:14:02,172 --> 03:14:05,550
It was meta on meta with meta
and it was like this tiny community.

3854
03:14:05,634 --> 03:14:07,552
You know, not easy movie to shoot.

3855
03:14:07,636 --> 03:14:11,765
It was very hot in Atlanta.
Huge cast. Lots of extras.

3856
03:14:11,848 --> 03:14:16,436
I think a lot of pressure for <i>Scream 2</i>,
because <i>Scream 1</i> performed so well.

3857
03:14:16,519 --> 03:14:17,604
<i>Hello.</i>

3858
03:14:19,439 --> 03:14:22,359
When we started <i>Scream 2, </i>
we only had three quarters of a script.

3859
03:14:22,442 --> 03:14:23,360
So they didn't have an ending.

3860
03:14:23,443 --> 03:14:26,780
- I also heard that the script
was leaked which I don't know

3861
03:14:26,863 --> 03:14:30,200
how that happened or who did it,
but they were so careful.

3862
03:14:33,620 --> 03:14:36,373
We were on a need-to-know basis.

3863
03:14:36,456 --> 03:14:38,917
I don't think I got the script
until I got to Atlanta.

3864
03:14:39,000 --> 03:14:40,585
It was uh, pretty locked down.

3865
03:14:40,669 --> 03:14:42,754
I think they made a fake one
and leaked that

3866
03:14:42,837 --> 03:14:44,589
to like throw the scent off the real one.

3867
03:14:44,673 --> 03:14:49,260
Kevin Williamson was around a lot
and the script changed often.

3868
03:14:49,344 --> 03:14:50,679
Multiple times in a day.

3869
03:14:50,762 --> 03:14:54,599
So no one really knew
how the movie was gonna end.

3870
03:14:54,683 --> 03:14:57,644
Which was exciting though,
because anything can happen.

3871
03:14:57,727 --> 03:15:00,355
You know, it's happening
as we're shooting it almost.

3872
03:15:00,438 --> 03:15:02,774
<i>Why don't you show your face,</i>
<i>you fucking coward?</i>

3873
03:15:03,775 --> 03:15:06,486
<i>-My pleasure.</i>
<i>-Derek!</i>

3874
03:15:06,569 --> 03:15:09,739
I'm positive Kevin knew all along,
but you know he tried

3875
03:15:09,823 --> 03:15:11,908
to take us this way,
and this way, and this way.

3876
03:15:13,576 --> 03:15:16,037
We had a lot of meta, meta in <i>Scream 2</i>.

3877
03:15:16,121 --> 03:15:20,333
<i>If Tori Spelling plays Sid</i>
<i>and they cast Joe Blow Nobody to play me.</i>

3878
03:15:21,668 --> 03:15:22,961
<i>At least, you get David Schwimmer.</i>

3879
03:15:23,044 --> 03:15:25,755
They made jokes about friends
because of Courteney obviously.

3880
03:15:25,839 --> 03:15:27,298
<i>When did she start smoking?</i>

3881
03:15:27,382 --> 03:15:29,134
<i>Ever since those nude pictures</i>
<i>on the internet.</i>

3882
03:15:29,217 --> 03:15:31,469
<i>It was just my head.</i>
<i>It was Jennifer Aniston's body.</i>

3883
03:15:31,553 --> 03:15:32,971
We want that, because you're thinking it

3884
03:15:33,054 --> 03:15:35,598
when you're watching the movie
anyway, so why not say it?

3885
03:15:35,682 --> 03:15:36,850
<i>Don't ask don't tell.</i>

3886
03:15:38,810 --> 03:15:40,186
I think there's some good stuff in there.

3887
03:15:40,270 --> 03:15:41,396
"Mrs. Voorhees, was a…"

3888
03:15:41,479 --> 03:15:42,939
<i>…terrific serial killer</i>

3889
03:15:43,022 --> 03:15:44,691
<i>and there's always room</i>
<i>for Candyman's daughter.</i>

3890
03:15:44,774 --> 03:15:46,317
I love, "sequels suck".

3891
03:15:46,401 --> 03:15:47,360
<i>Sequels suck.</i>

3892
03:15:47,444 --> 03:15:48,570
I sign that all the time.

3893
03:15:48,653 --> 03:15:50,572
<i>It's by definition alone,</i>
<i>they're inferior films.</i>

3894
03:15:50,655 --> 03:15:54,117
We're shooting it on a cafe
in UCLA in the summer.

3895
03:15:54,200 --> 03:15:57,287
David has like an eighth
of the lines compared to me

3896
03:15:57,370 --> 03:16:00,039
and yet he's so great in the scene

3897
03:16:00,123 --> 03:16:03,585
and he's just so engaged, and so funny.

3898
03:16:03,668 --> 03:16:04,711
I really learned a lot that day.

3899
03:16:04,794 --> 03:16:06,421
It's like you don't need to speak
to be interesting.

3900
03:16:06,504 --> 03:16:08,214
<i>Maybe you are a suspect.</i>

3901
03:16:08,298 --> 03:16:11,217
<i>Well if I'm a suspect, you're a suspect.</i>

3902
03:16:11,301 --> 03:16:12,552
<i>Do you have a point?</i>

3903
03:16:12,635 --> 03:16:14,345
<i>Okay. Let's move on.</i>

3904
03:16:14,429 --> 03:16:16,973
I gotta tell you this.
Spoiler alert.

3905
03:16:17,056 --> 03:16:18,725
I don't know. I die.

3906
03:16:22,187 --> 03:16:24,189
They didn't have the third act
yet when we got there

3907
03:16:24,272 --> 03:16:26,775
and I was like, "Shit!"

3908
03:16:26,858 --> 03:16:30,361
But then I thought, "Hey man,
this is the world we've chosen",

3909
03:16:30,445 --> 03:16:31,988
so-- and I had a huge part.

3910
03:16:32,071 --> 03:16:34,032
So I was like, "Fine.

3911
03:16:34,115 --> 03:16:36,910
And then I'll be done and I'll move on
to my romantic comedies."

3912
03:16:36,993 --> 03:16:39,704
Roger L. Jackson.
He is the voice of Ghostface.

3913
03:16:39,788 --> 03:16:41,706
He is everything that you fear.

3914
03:16:41,790 --> 03:16:45,376
What's wild about that day was
I thought someone was gonna read me

3915
03:16:45,460 --> 03:16:46,586
the lines off-camera.

3916
03:16:46,669 --> 03:16:49,255
They didn't do that.
Wes says, "I'm gonna call you."

3917
03:16:49,339 --> 03:16:51,800
And then when Wes calls me,
he had Roger call me.

3918
03:16:51,883 --> 03:16:53,301
He had the actual character call.

3919
03:16:53,384 --> 03:16:55,887
They kinda had him fuck with me. Right?

3920
03:16:55,970 --> 03:16:58,556
He said all those lines and he goes,
"I have your mother with me."

3921
03:16:58,640 --> 03:17:00,183
And I'm like, "My mom is there."

3922
03:17:00,266 --> 03:17:02,310
You'll look the surprise on
my face and stuff.

3923
03:17:02,393 --> 03:17:04,938
That's because he's really saying
this shit about my mom.

3924
03:17:05,021 --> 03:17:07,649
Wes played the beautiful game.
And then we're done.

3925
03:17:07,732 --> 03:17:10,777
Everyone's clapping and laughing.
And I was like, "Are you okay, mom?"

3926
03:17:10,860 --> 03:17:13,196
She's like, "I was right here.
Roger's over here. I just met Roger."

3927
03:17:13,279 --> 03:17:15,323
And then I met Roger.
Like I never had known him.

3928
03:17:15,406 --> 03:17:18,493
<i>- Have you ever felt a knife</i>
<i>cut through human flesh</i>

3929
03:17:18,576 --> 03:17:21,871
<i>and scrape the bone beneath?</i>

3930
03:17:21,955 --> 03:17:22,831
<i>It's him.</i>

3931
03:17:22,914 --> 03:17:24,958
I thought it was a rite
of passage quite frankly.

3932
03:17:25,041 --> 03:17:26,709
So I was like,
"I'm gonna make it the goriest."

3933
03:17:26,793 --> 03:17:30,922
And so I'm like, "Dude,
I want them to fucking feel something."

3934
03:17:31,005 --> 03:17:32,841
And Wes is like, "You wanna do it?"

3935
03:17:32,924 --> 03:17:35,176
And I was like, "Yeah."
And he's like, "Alright. Load him up."

3936
03:17:35,260 --> 03:17:38,888
And they put so much blood on me
and on my face.

3937
03:17:38,972 --> 03:17:41,432
He said I already got it,
but I'll give you a gory one.

3938
03:17:46,437 --> 03:17:48,314
If <i>Scream</i> didn't have
the benefit of being first,

3939
03:17:48,398 --> 03:17:49,357
<i>Scream 2 is right there.</i>

3940
03:17:49,440 --> 03:17:52,610
It works on every level
and it does not let down.

3941
03:17:55,864 --> 03:17:59,158
We came out and we did huge.
It was incredible.

3942
03:17:59,242 --> 03:18:01,119
Wes has the greatest house

3943
03:18:01,202 --> 03:18:04,831
and the house that lives next door to him
is Pauly Shore's.

3944
03:18:04,914 --> 03:18:08,001
And I could cry but when <i>Scream 2</i> opened,

3945
03:18:08,084 --> 03:18:10,879
Pauly put a huge banner in the driveway

3946
03:18:10,962 --> 03:18:13,172
and say, "Congratulations,
the number one opening

3947
03:18:13,256 --> 03:18:15,091
horror movie history. You did it."

3948
03:18:15,174 --> 03:18:18,845
That was the sweetest thing for Wes.
And Wes never forgot it.

3949
03:18:18,928 --> 03:18:20,930
And I just thought
that was the classiest thing.

3950
03:18:21,014 --> 03:18:24,559
<i>-How would you make it different?</i>
<i>-I'd let the geek get the girl.</i>

3951
03:18:24,642 --> 03:18:26,686
So at one of his dinners, he's like,

3952
03:18:26,769 --> 03:18:28,855
"I think I can get you in <i>Scream 3</i>."

3953
03:18:28,938 --> 03:18:31,149
I was like, "What?"
He's like, "Yup, I got an idea."

3954
03:18:31,232 --> 03:18:34,068
And it's-- it's such a clever idea
of how they did it.

3955
03:18:34,152 --> 03:18:36,946
And they brought me back
via the video tape.

3956
03:18:37,030 --> 03:18:39,657
<i>-Told you I'd make a movie someday.</i>
<i>-Oh my God.</i>

3957
03:18:39,741 --> 03:18:41,618
People come up to me all the time
and tell me

3958
03:18:41,701 --> 03:18:44,287
how much they just love me that I'm in it.
It had a lot of meaning.

3959
03:18:44,370 --> 03:18:46,998
<i>If you're dealing</i>
<i>with an unexpected backstory</i>

3960
03:18:47,081 --> 03:18:50,877
<i>and a preponderance of exposition,</i>
<i>then the sequel rules do not apply.</i>

3961
03:18:50,960 --> 03:18:53,838
I'll never forget, I go to <i>Scream 4</i>.

3962
03:18:53,922 --> 03:18:55,089
I'm not in it. I'm dead.

3963
03:18:55,173 --> 03:18:56,758
And I went and did
the whole carpet and everything.

3964
03:18:56,841 --> 03:18:59,552
I was very happy to go.
Bob Weinstein was there.

3965
03:18:59,636 --> 03:19:02,513
He goes, "You know, should've
never fucking killed you."

3966
03:19:02,597 --> 03:19:03,973
And I said, "Really?"
He goes, "Yeah.

3967
03:19:04,057 --> 03:19:06,726
It was a mistake.
They love you."

3968
03:19:06,809 --> 03:19:09,187
I shook his hand and I went off.
And I was like…

3969
03:19:10,813 --> 03:19:12,398
And I don't know.
Maybe Harvey did it.

3970
03:19:12,482 --> 03:19:13,399
I have no idea.

3971
03:19:13,483 --> 03:19:17,153
To this day,
the <i>Scream</i> universe gets along.

3972
03:19:17,236 --> 03:19:18,404
And it started with Wes.

3973
03:19:18,488 --> 03:19:21,157
Wes sprinkled all this beautiful
pixie dust on us.

3974
03:19:21,240 --> 03:19:23,785
<i>- Why are you even here, Randy?</i>

3975
03:19:23,868 --> 03:19:26,079
<i>You will be the leading man.</i>

3976
03:19:27,288 --> 03:19:28,915
<i>Fuck you!</i>

3977
03:19:40,760 --> 03:19:44,597
Why are the Japanese making
such dark, dark films?

3978
03:19:47,266 --> 03:19:51,270
<i>Cure</i> is a Japanese horror movie
that is much more sophisticated

3979
03:19:51,354 --> 03:19:52,939
than its predecessors.

3980
03:19:53,022 --> 03:19:57,944
The film is spooky and creepy,
and it is artfully made.

3981
03:20:04,617 --> 03:20:07,453
<i>Cure</i> has this amazing set-up
where there is a police detective

3982
03:20:07,537 --> 03:20:10,957
who is investigating a series
of brutal killings.

3983
03:20:11,040 --> 03:20:13,793
All of them committed
using the same methodology.

3984
03:20:13,876 --> 03:20:15,670
But each of them has been committed by

3985
03:20:15,753 --> 03:20:18,256
a completely different person
under different circumstances

3986
03:20:18,339 --> 03:20:20,383
and each time the killers
have turned themselves in,

3987
03:20:20,466 --> 03:20:21,676
and confessed to their crimes.

3988
03:20:26,305 --> 03:20:31,352
The counterpart character
in <i>Cure</i> is this loner named Mamiya

3989
03:20:31,436 --> 03:20:35,023
who is wandering the countryside
asking existential questions.

3990
03:20:40,319 --> 03:20:44,949
And anybody fool enough to carry
on a conversation with this guy

3991
03:20:45,033 --> 03:20:48,077
is gonna find their life upended
and the people around them killed.

3992
03:20:49,996 --> 03:20:53,541
He's a master hypnotist
and with a few little tricks

3993
03:20:53,624 --> 03:20:55,251
he's able to get you into a trance

3994
03:20:55,334 --> 03:20:57,420
and then you're gonna go
and do his bidding.

3995
03:21:03,342 --> 03:21:06,095
You're gonna murder them
and then you're gonna carve a big X

3996
03:21:06,179 --> 03:21:08,222
in their chest or on their neck,

3997
03:21:08,306 --> 03:21:10,975
and then the horror sets in
of what you have done.

3998
03:21:15,229 --> 03:21:18,357
The detective character
is played by actor Kōji Yakusho

3999
03:21:18,441 --> 03:21:22,028
who is one of Japan's greatest
actors of his generation.

4000
03:21:22,111 --> 03:21:25,698
He is able to bring
such a sense of opaqueness

4001
03:21:25,782 --> 03:21:29,452
to a character whose internal life
is clearly in turmoil.

4002
03:21:29,535 --> 03:21:31,621
He's experiencing an emotional breakdown,

4003
03:21:31,704 --> 03:21:35,416
because he is dealing
with the psychological deterioration

4004
03:21:35,500 --> 03:21:37,293
of his wife at home.

4005
03:21:37,376 --> 03:21:40,630
This unstable man is probably
not the person

4006
03:21:40,713 --> 03:21:43,758
you want to bring into the orbit
of a person who is capable

4007
03:21:43,841 --> 03:21:47,136
of turning any stable person
into a killer.

4008
03:21:53,601 --> 03:21:55,228
<i>Cure </i>is a psychological thriller

4009
03:21:55,311 --> 03:21:58,773
about alienation
that has the effect of making

4010
03:21:58,856 --> 03:22:01,859
the audience feel alienated
in order to work

4011
03:22:01,943 --> 03:22:04,070
its sort of hypnotic magic on people.

4012
03:22:06,823 --> 03:22:11,452
<i>Cure</i> launched Kiyoshi Kurosawa
into the top tier of directors.

4013
03:22:11,536 --> 03:22:15,623
He was fascinated with that notion
that ordinary people can be killers.

4014
03:22:15,706 --> 03:22:16,874
Your neighbors can be killers.

4015
03:22:16,958 --> 03:22:19,043
Your family members can be killers.
You could be a killer.

4016
03:22:19,127 --> 03:22:20,753
In many ways, the success of <i>Cure</i>,

4017
03:22:20,837 --> 03:22:23,756
like the success of <i>Ring</i>,
helped establish this notion

4018
03:22:23,840 --> 03:22:26,217
of a more restrained version of horror,

4019
03:22:26,300 --> 03:22:28,469
one that's more psychological,
asking the audience

4020
03:22:28,553 --> 03:22:31,764
to be a contributing participant
in how the story is being told.

4021
03:22:36,644 --> 03:22:38,938
It's when you add it all up afterwards

4022
03:22:39,021 --> 03:22:41,607
as you're piecing it
all together that maybe

4023
03:22:41,691 --> 03:22:44,193
it becomes even more terrifying
in retrospect

4024
03:22:44,277 --> 03:22:46,946
as you begin to realize
what it is you actually witnessed.

4025
03:22:51,993 --> 03:22:57,707
J-HORROR EXPLOSION
THE WORLDWIDE IMPACT OF ASIAN FILMS

4026
03:22:57,790 --> 03:22:59,876
Filmmakers from the whole Asian culture

4027
03:22:59,959 --> 03:23:03,754
have such a unique point of view,
and they go all out.

4028
03:23:03,838 --> 03:23:06,257
They go balls to the wall.

4029
03:23:08,718 --> 03:23:12,638
I think the fascination
of J-horror for North American

4030
03:23:12,722 --> 03:23:16,267
and global audiences
more generally all had to do

4031
03:23:16,350 --> 03:23:20,980
with the exhaustion of certain
horror franchise conventions

4032
03:23:21,063 --> 03:23:22,899
that were coming out of Hollywood.

4033
03:23:22,982 --> 03:23:26,485
Audiences who were thirsting
for something darker,

4034
03:23:26,569 --> 03:23:28,654
something innovative, in some cases,

4035
03:23:28,738 --> 03:23:33,492
something really extreme,
could find it in J-horror films.

4036
03:23:35,244 --> 03:23:38,289
The term, "J-horror"
is the one that typically gets

4037
03:23:38,372 --> 03:23:40,833
applied to the genre,
but that's very reductionist,

4038
03:23:40,917 --> 03:23:43,836
because there are very similarly coded

4039
03:23:43,920 --> 03:23:48,216
and similarly themed films
that emerged from other traditions

4040
03:23:48,299 --> 03:23:52,803
in other countries, South Korea,
in Taiwan, Thailand, in India,

4041
03:23:52,887 --> 03:23:54,889
and ultimately, remakes
in the United States.

4042
03:23:57,683 --> 03:24:00,937
The mood of these films
is a kind of melancholia

4043
03:24:01,020 --> 03:24:03,898
that you didn't see
in Hollywood horror films.

4044
03:24:03,981 --> 03:24:08,819
These films did not obey
the tight linear causality

4045
03:24:08,903 --> 03:24:10,863
of Hollywood narrative cinema.

4046
03:24:10,947 --> 03:24:14,116
Less to explain the horror away,

4047
03:24:14,200 --> 03:24:17,328
and more to stay with the inexplicability

4048
03:24:17,411 --> 03:24:19,830
and to explore the darkness that's there.

4049
03:24:21,666 --> 03:24:23,918
The biggest difference between
Western horror

4050
03:24:24,001 --> 03:24:27,546
and then Japanese horror in the '90s were
at a conceptual level.

4051
03:24:27,630 --> 03:24:29,507
They didn't have bloodthirsty killers.

4052
03:24:29,590 --> 03:24:32,051
No Leatherface, no Ghostface.

4053
03:24:32,134 --> 03:24:35,596
There it was much more spiritual.
It was an evil, spiritual curse.

4054
03:24:35,680 --> 03:24:38,391
Once you start the curse,
there's nothing you can do to stop it.

4055
03:24:43,187 --> 03:24:47,566
One of the obvious recurring elements
of J-horror films

4056
03:24:47,650 --> 03:24:52,280
is that Sadako-like figure,
the ghostly girl with the long black hair.

4057
03:24:52,363 --> 03:24:54,073
That visual image.

4058
03:24:55,408 --> 03:24:57,952
Their monster aesthetic
was slightly different.

4059
03:24:58,035 --> 03:24:59,328
They moved weird.

4060
03:24:59,412 --> 03:25:03,708
That feeling of, "I know what you are
and I don't know what you are."

4061
03:25:03,791 --> 03:25:07,211
On some level, these supernatural specters
are deeply human.

4062
03:25:07,295 --> 03:25:10,172
And I think that's part
of the appeal to global audiences.

4063
03:25:14,719 --> 03:25:17,430
In J-horror, technology
is definitely not your friend.

4064
03:25:17,513 --> 03:25:20,099
Whether it's a videocassette
at home or a cell phone

4065
03:25:20,182 --> 03:25:21,142
in their pocket.

4066
03:25:21,225 --> 03:25:23,352
What if there was a malevolent
being that existed

4067
03:25:23,436 --> 03:25:24,812
inside of these devices?

4068
03:25:24,895 --> 03:25:27,606
What if these devices themselves
that you have in your house

4069
03:25:27,690 --> 03:25:29,734
right now can kill you?

4070
03:25:29,817 --> 03:25:32,737
The marriage of the supernatural
with the technological

4071
03:25:32,820 --> 03:25:34,363
was really intriguing to me.

4072
03:25:34,447 --> 03:25:38,409
And all of those things feel alien,
I think, to a western audience.

4073
03:25:38,492 --> 03:25:40,953
And for that reason are
really unsettling to them.

4074
03:25:41,037 --> 03:25:43,247
There are things, you know,
beyond our realm

4075
03:25:43,331 --> 03:25:44,707
that we don't understand.

4076
03:25:44,790 --> 03:25:47,626
A glimpse into that could,
you know, bring madness.

4077
03:25:49,920 --> 03:25:53,174
I don't think that
the Japanese approach their horror

4078
03:25:53,257 --> 03:25:54,342
in a humanistic way.

4079
03:25:54,425 --> 03:25:57,261
I think they have a much more
Lovecraftian view of the cosmos,

4080
03:25:57,345 --> 03:25:58,721
which is a colder view.

4081
03:25:58,804 --> 03:26:02,516
A Shintoist or a Zen kind
of philosophical perspective

4082
03:26:02,600 --> 03:26:06,437
on the universe where humans
are just part of a larger puzzle,

4083
03:26:06,520 --> 03:26:08,397
and we are not the center of the universe.

4084
03:26:08,481 --> 03:26:10,816
<i>Come into the spiral…</i>

4085
03:26:10,900 --> 03:26:13,569
- At the turn of the millennium,
Hollywood horror was poised

4086
03:26:13,652 --> 03:26:15,654
to turn a more profitable corner.

4087
03:26:15,738 --> 03:26:18,574
But to do that, they needed
an infusion of new ideas.

4088
03:26:18,657 --> 03:26:22,411
And one of the places they looked
was J-horror and Asian horror.

4089
03:26:25,373 --> 03:26:28,334
The remake of <i>The Ring</i>
was incredibly successful.

4090
03:26:28,417 --> 03:26:31,045
<i>The Grudge</i> was incredibly successful.

4091
03:26:31,128 --> 03:26:33,547
So there was a sudden focus
in Hollywood about,

4092
03:26:33,631 --> 03:26:36,092
"Well, what's gonna be the next <i>Ring</i>,
the next <i>Grudge</i>?"

4093
03:26:38,052 --> 03:26:40,429
Suddenly, that horror audience
becomes very hungry

4094
03:26:40,513 --> 03:26:44,767
for more of that, which leads to kind of
a floodgate effect of J-horror happening.

4095
03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:50,648
There's no way you can talk
about Hollywood remakes

4096
03:26:50,731 --> 03:26:53,359
of Asian horror without knowing
the name Roy Lee.

4097
03:26:53,442 --> 03:26:55,861
In the late '90s,
Japanese horror was still

4098
03:26:55,945 --> 03:26:57,071
relatively underground.

4099
03:26:57,154 --> 03:27:01,158
A young producer named, "Roy Lee",
got his hands on a videocassette of <i>Ring</i>,

4100
03:27:01,242 --> 03:27:03,828
and he loved it so much, he flew to Japan.

4101
03:27:03,911 --> 03:27:06,122
He met with the producer
of <i>The Ring</i> and said,

4102
03:27:06,205 --> 03:27:09,250
"I just want two weeks with this,
and let me show you what I can do."

4103
03:27:09,333 --> 03:27:10,376
He got multiple offers.

4104
03:27:10,459 --> 03:27:14,213
DreamWorks ended up bidding on it
and purchasing it for $2 million.

4105
03:27:14,296 --> 03:27:18,426
They can see the marketing potential
in what a Western remake could be.

4106
03:27:20,344 --> 03:27:22,805
And Roy Lee is responsible single-handedly

4107
03:27:22,888 --> 03:27:25,474
for <i>The Ring</i>, <i>The Grudge</i>, <i>Dark Water</i>,

4108
03:27:25,558 --> 03:27:28,561
<i>Tale of Two Sisters</i> out of Korea,
<i>Oldboy</i> from Korea,

4109
03:27:28,644 --> 03:27:31,021
<i>Infernal Affairs</i>, which became
<i>The Departed</i>.

4110
03:27:31,105 --> 03:27:34,442
I mean, there were all high-caliber films
from a different country.

4111
03:27:34,525 --> 03:27:37,361
He had the foresight to see
that these would play really well

4112
03:27:37,445 --> 03:27:38,362
in the United States.

4113
03:27:38,446 --> 03:27:41,824
<i>I'm gonna keep going, till I can</i>
<i>pull your head off</i>

4114
03:27:41,907 --> 03:27:43,367
<i>with my bare hands.</i>

4115
03:27:43,451 --> 03:27:44,660
We couldn't get enough of it.

4116
03:27:44,743 --> 03:27:48,664
All of the sudden, we're importing
every J-horror film we can get.

4117
03:27:48,747 --> 03:27:51,041
We are just digesting it
and talking about it,

4118
03:27:51,125 --> 03:27:52,209
writing about it online.

4119
03:27:54,336 --> 03:27:57,214
- One of the ways that
I discovered Asian horror

4120
03:27:57,298 --> 03:27:59,800
and J-horror, in particular, was through

4121
03:27:59,884 --> 03:28:02,470
the Tartan Extreme DVD series.

4122
03:28:02,553 --> 03:28:05,764
It was horror films
from a handful of industries,

4123
03:28:05,848 --> 03:28:08,767
so it's really Japan, South Korea,
Hong Kong, Thailand.

4124
03:28:08,851 --> 03:28:14,148
It took you to an absolute edge
of gruesomeness and darkness

4125
03:28:14,231 --> 03:28:18,944
and something really malignant
and complex in the human psyche.

4126
03:28:20,696 --> 03:28:23,866
With labels like Tartan,
people were seeing horror movies

4127
03:28:23,949 --> 03:28:26,118
the likes of which
they had never seen before.

4128
03:28:26,202 --> 03:28:29,705
Very scintillating and exciting
for the horror fan who thought

4129
03:28:29,788 --> 03:28:32,082
that they'd seen it all simply
because they'd gone through

4130
03:28:32,166 --> 03:28:34,168
the entire catalogue of Blockbuster.

4131
03:28:40,549 --> 03:28:44,136
Hong Kong cinema, in particular,
had Category III films

4132
03:28:44,220 --> 03:28:48,724
that appealed to a particular subset
of moviegoers

4133
03:28:48,807 --> 03:28:52,269
that were really looking
for this particularly gruesome,

4134
03:28:52,353 --> 03:28:55,064
edgy combination of sex and violence.

4135
03:28:58,275 --> 03:29:00,528
There were a great many
Japanese horror films

4136
03:29:00,611 --> 03:29:02,863
that didn't necessarily
launch franchises and--

4137
03:29:02,947 --> 03:29:05,199
and didn't get American remakes,

4138
03:29:05,282 --> 03:29:07,243
but which are fantastic
stand-alone pictures.

4139
03:29:07,326 --> 03:29:10,913
You get something like <i>Uzumaki,</i>
the Spiral or <i>Parasite Eve</i>

4140
03:29:10,996 --> 03:29:15,000
or <i>Shikoku</i> or <i>Inugami</i>.
Some extraordinary films.

4141
03:29:15,084 --> 03:29:18,462
<i>Dumplings</i>, which was
a really terrifying horror film

4142
03:29:18,546 --> 03:29:20,965
by Fruit Chan, also from Hong Kong.

4143
03:29:21,048 --> 03:29:24,301
Eat all the shrimp dumplings you can
before you watch the film,

4144
03:29:24,385 --> 03:29:26,554
because you're not gonna be able
to eat hakao

4145
03:29:26,637 --> 03:29:28,013
for a while afterwards.

4146
03:29:30,933 --> 03:29:33,060
There was also a concurrent tradition

4147
03:29:33,143 --> 03:29:37,439
of very similarly-styled
horror films in South Korea.

4148
03:29:37,523 --> 03:29:38,566
<i>Whispering Corridors.</i>

4149
03:29:38,649 --> 03:29:42,945
Each of them involved
ghost stories set at schools.

4150
03:29:43,028 --> 03:29:45,864
<i>Memento Mori</i> is a Korean horror film

4151
03:29:45,948 --> 03:29:48,158
that unfolds over the course
of a single day.

4152
03:29:48,242 --> 03:29:50,786
The film is memorable and important

4153
03:29:50,869 --> 03:29:55,624
for its devastating critique
of Korean social institutions

4154
03:29:55,708 --> 03:29:58,836
that are homophobic.
It's genuinely creepy.

4155
03:29:58,919 --> 03:30:03,549
The haunting is deeply physical,
invasive, and erotic.

4156
03:30:08,012 --> 03:30:11,056
<i>Tale of Two Sisters</i> is another
fantastic South Korean

4157
03:30:11,140 --> 03:30:12,891
horror film from that era.

4158
03:30:16,312 --> 03:30:19,481
A<i> Quiet Family</i> would be sort
of the horror version

4159
03:30:19,565 --> 03:30:20,649
of <i>Fawlty Towers</i>.

4160
03:30:20,733 --> 03:30:24,236
A fantastic combination of arch comedy

4161
03:30:24,320 --> 03:30:28,574
and workplace drama, plus serial killing.

4162
03:30:31,785 --> 03:30:34,330
And we really shouldn't ignore
the role that anime plays in this

4163
03:30:34,413 --> 03:30:36,915
or the-- the subset within
that of horror anime.

4164
03:30:40,210 --> 03:30:43,589
Things like <i>Akira</i>, the <i>Ring</i>,
<i>Battle Royale</i>.

4165
03:30:43,672 --> 03:30:46,634
These were in different media,
and different genres,

4166
03:30:46,717 --> 03:30:50,888
and appealing to different audiences,
but they were all their own rabbit holes.

4167
03:30:50,971 --> 03:30:52,931
And you find your way to one
and you start to find

4168
03:30:53,015 --> 03:30:53,932
your way to the others.

4169
03:30:54,016 --> 03:30:56,935
And so many people in the 1990s
were finding their way

4170
03:30:57,019 --> 03:31:00,147
to Japanese popular culture
and recognizing how much

4171
03:31:00,230 --> 03:31:02,858
there was there to reward that interest.

4172
03:31:06,195 --> 03:31:10,699
1998

4173
03:31:20,501 --> 03:31:22,294
<i>- Deep Rising.</i>

4174
03:31:22,378 --> 03:31:26,757
<i>Deep Rising</i> is one of those joyous things
that just came out of nowhere.

4175
03:31:26,840 --> 03:31:29,968
Stephen Sommers, who would go on
to be a huge director

4176
03:31:30,052 --> 03:31:33,389
for several years, doing big
adventure horror adaptations.

4177
03:31:33,472 --> 03:31:34,973
<i>Probably just a pod of whales.</i>

4178
03:31:35,057 --> 03:31:37,518
<i>Moving at 31 knots, sir?</i>
<i>I-- I don't think so.</i>

4179
03:31:37,601 --> 03:31:40,479
<i>-Where is it coming from?</i>
<i>-A 160 meters directly beneath us</i>

4180
03:31:40,562 --> 03:31:41,855
<i>and rising very quickly.</i>

4181
03:31:41,939 --> 03:31:44,149
<i>Deep Rising</i> is about
a group of mercenaries

4182
03:31:44,233 --> 03:31:45,776
who come across a ghost ship,

4183
03:31:45,859 --> 03:31:49,905
a derelict ship with nobody on it,
real rich, real expensive,

4184
03:31:49,988 --> 03:31:53,158
only to find out why everyone is gone.

4185
03:31:55,452 --> 03:31:57,037
Everyone is dead, and then the reason

4186
03:31:57,121 --> 03:31:59,832
why everyone is dead
is that some deep, deep,

4187
03:31:59,915 --> 03:32:04,211
deep sea creature has come up
and basically killed everyone.

4188
03:32:06,463 --> 03:32:09,591
Kind of a mashup of action,
and some horror elements,

4189
03:32:09,675 --> 03:32:12,970
and some comedy,
and absolutely a creature feature.

4190
03:32:14,179 --> 03:32:17,474
When I first got the script,
it was called, "Tentacles".

4191
03:32:17,558 --> 03:32:20,769
There were definitely several
light-hearted moments mixed in

4192
03:32:20,853 --> 03:32:22,771
with the action and the horror.

4193
03:32:22,855 --> 03:32:24,606
<i>I don't mean to sound</i>
<i>like a pussy, but this shit</i>

4194
03:32:24,690 --> 03:32:26,191
<i>is starting to freak me out, man.</i>

4195
03:32:26,275 --> 03:32:28,610
And then I found out later
how much Stephen Sommers

4196
03:32:28,694 --> 03:32:31,321
really loves <i>Abbott</i>
<i>and Costello Meet Frankenstein</i>.

4197
03:32:31,405 --> 03:32:33,741
I was excited that there was
that sort of spirit.

4198
03:32:33,824 --> 03:32:35,284
<i>Now what?</i>

4199
03:32:35,367 --> 03:32:36,702
<i>-Not you!</i>
<i>-Get off of that!</i>

4200
03:32:38,746 --> 03:32:41,665
We were in Vancouver for about
four and a half months.

4201
03:32:41,749 --> 03:32:46,128
Steve is very much like his movies,
extremely energetic, quick-thinking.

4202
03:32:46,211 --> 03:32:50,048
He's very fun to work with.
I mean, he's a real crowd-pleaser.

4203
03:32:50,132 --> 03:32:53,427
<i>Like a fine wine,</i>
<i>I'm aging gracefully. Thank you.</i>

4204
03:32:53,510 --> 03:32:55,095
<i>You look more like a keg of beer to me.</i>

4205
03:32:55,179 --> 03:32:56,889
It was so great working
with Treat Williams.

4206
03:32:56,972 --> 03:32:59,683
We liked that there was
a little comic bit right before

4207
03:32:59,767 --> 03:33:03,228
the creature arrives to sort of
maybe throw people off a little.

4208
03:33:03,312 --> 03:33:05,230
<i>What you got there?</i>

4209
03:33:05,314 --> 03:33:07,524
<i>-Peanut.</i>
<i>-Peanut?</i>

4210
03:33:07,608 --> 03:33:10,152
The actors that were in that film,
we really got along.

4211
03:33:10,235 --> 03:33:11,945
It was really great. Famke Janssen.

4212
03:33:12,029 --> 03:33:13,447
<i>I think she broke my nose.</i>

4213
03:33:13,530 --> 03:33:15,032
<i>Yeah, give me a chance</i>
<i>I'll break the rest of your face.</i>

4214
03:33:15,115 --> 03:33:16,116
<i>Not that anyone would notice.</i>

4215
03:33:16,200 --> 03:33:18,952
-Djimon Hounsou.
<i>-Money, money, money, money.</i>

4216
03:33:19,036 --> 03:33:20,996
-Anthony Heald.
<i>-The Ottoia are very crafty.</i>

4217
03:33:21,079 --> 03:33:24,708
<i>Catch their victims with spiny tentacles</i>
<i>and then crush them between massive jaws.</i>

4218
03:33:24,792 --> 03:33:27,669
<i>-And then they eat you, right?</i>
<i>-No. They drink you alive.</i>

4219
03:33:27,753 --> 03:33:30,088
Una Damon, who played Leila,
she was great.

4220
03:33:30,172 --> 03:33:31,548
We got along really well.

4221
03:33:31,632 --> 03:33:34,092
She was really nice, but very,
you know, business.

4222
03:33:34,176 --> 03:33:37,179
She was nobody's fool.
In fact, I was a little intimidated.

4223
03:33:37,262 --> 03:33:38,472
And I said, "That's perfect.

4224
03:33:38,555 --> 03:33:40,599
Joey would be intimidated
of his girlfriend."

4225
03:33:40,682 --> 03:33:42,643
<i>Hold still, you big dummy.</i>

4226
03:33:42,726 --> 03:33:44,228
<i>I'm sorry. It stings.</i>

4227
03:33:44,311 --> 03:33:46,647
Wes Studi, I loved
and hung around with Wes maybe

4228
03:33:46,730 --> 03:33:47,981
more than anybody on that.

4229
03:33:48,065 --> 03:33:49,858
<i>They're catching up.</i>
<i>We gotta slow 'em down.</i>

4230
03:33:49,942 --> 03:33:52,069
<i>The only way to slow 'em down</i>
<i>is to feed 'em.</i>

4231
03:33:52,152 --> 03:33:54,196
<i>All I got is a wet stick of gum</i>
<i>and a breath mint.</i>

4232
03:33:54,279 --> 03:33:56,782
I didn't get to be around
Rob Bottin a whole lot,

4233
03:33:56,865 --> 03:33:58,534
but I really admired his work.

4234
03:33:58,617 --> 03:34:01,078
Like I was really excited that
he was involved with this.

4235
03:34:01,161 --> 03:34:02,454
<i>Jesus Christ.</i>

4236
03:34:05,457 --> 03:34:06,834
We were in water a lot.

4237
03:34:06,917 --> 03:34:09,419
We did have wetsuits uh,
'cause we were in there for hours,

4238
03:34:09,503 --> 03:34:10,754
underneath our costumes.

4239
03:34:10,838 --> 03:34:13,757
So I mean, it was fun,
but it was damp and cold definitely.

4240
03:34:15,551 --> 03:34:16,552
<i>What the hell is that?</i>

4241
03:34:16,635 --> 03:34:18,095
<i>The Girl From Ipanema.</i>

4242
03:34:18,178 --> 03:34:21,598
<i>♪ Pa, pararapa, paraparapa ♪</i>

4243
03:34:21,682 --> 03:34:25,269
They actually had me revise that,
where I can't get the song out of my head.

4244
03:34:25,352 --> 03:34:27,354
I mean, I never thought
there would be a part two

4245
03:34:27,437 --> 03:34:28,814
to that line, but there was.

4246
03:34:28,897 --> 03:34:31,024
<i>I can't get that song out of my head.</i>

4247
03:34:31,108 --> 03:34:33,986
<i>Deep Rising</i> was supposed
to come out in the fall of '97,

4248
03:34:34,069 --> 03:34:35,863
and then it got moved to '98.

4249
03:34:35,946 --> 03:34:37,614
No one's gonna even try to attempt

4250
03:34:37,698 --> 03:34:40,158
to go up against <i>Titanic</i>
at the box office.

4251
03:34:40,242 --> 03:34:42,911
And they were both on water.
It was a big boat.

4252
03:34:42,995 --> 03:34:45,372
I remember one of the producers
was saying something

4253
03:34:45,455 --> 03:34:47,791
to Treat and I about how he,
in a way, wished

4254
03:34:47,875 --> 03:34:51,378
it was still titled, "Tentacles",
because that's what it was.

4255
03:34:51,461 --> 03:34:53,380
You got what you paid for.

4256
03:34:53,463 --> 03:34:55,632
<i>Finnegan! Faster! Faster!</i>

4257
03:34:55,716 --> 03:34:57,843
So I think <i>Deep Rising</i>,
even though I liked the title,

4258
03:34:57,926 --> 03:34:59,303
I think it was a little obscure.

4259
03:34:59,386 --> 03:35:02,389
So it did have a little trouble,
I think, finding its audience.

4260
03:35:02,472 --> 03:35:05,100
Years later, I think that movie,
<i>Deep Rising</i>,

4261
03:35:05,183 --> 03:35:07,394
was able to settle in more with fans.

4262
03:35:10,939 --> 03:35:12,691
I remember seeing the Blu-ray

4263
03:35:12,774 --> 03:35:15,152
where they did a really nice cover
for the movie.

4264
03:35:15,235 --> 03:35:16,987
I think that hit the nail on the head.

4265
03:35:17,070 --> 03:35:19,865
It had the monster and the ship,
and it just looked like a ball.

4266
03:35:19,948 --> 03:35:21,408
You know, like a real blast.

4267
03:35:21,491 --> 03:35:23,285
Something like that type of marketing.

4268
03:35:23,368 --> 03:35:25,370
Maybe that would have been
a little more accurate

4269
03:35:25,454 --> 03:35:26,538
to what the movie was.

4270
03:35:26,622 --> 03:35:28,874
<i>This is turning out</i>
<i>to be one hell of a day.</i>

4271
03:35:40,052 --> 03:35:43,513
<i>Ringu</i> felt like it came
from another planet,

4272
03:35:43,597 --> 03:35:45,974
just in terms of how the horror
was dealt with.

4273
03:35:48,226 --> 03:35:52,898
The atmosphere of it was
so specific to Japanese culture.

4274
03:35:52,981 --> 03:35:55,317
It had a kind of aura of dread

4275
03:35:55,400 --> 03:35:58,820
that I hadn't really seen
in an American film.

4276
03:35:58,904 --> 03:36:02,115
Easily the best haunted tape movie
ever to come out ever.

4277
03:36:02,199 --> 03:36:05,369
It like gets under your skin,
it's definitely a slow burn,

4278
03:36:05,452 --> 03:36:08,080
but the visuals of it I think
really stick to people.

4279
03:36:10,832 --> 03:36:15,629
Hideo Nakata's <i>Ringu</i> is about
a female television journalist

4280
03:36:15,712 --> 03:36:19,216
investigating an urban legend
about a cursed videotape.

4281
03:36:27,057 --> 03:36:29,393
So you watch the videocassette
and then within moments

4282
03:36:29,476 --> 03:36:31,561
you'll get a phone call
and it'll say, seven days

4283
03:36:31,645 --> 03:36:32,604
and then you die.

4284
03:36:35,732 --> 03:36:39,027
She moves from being a very
skeptical media professional

4285
03:36:39,069 --> 03:36:42,072
to somebody who is abjectly terrified.

4286
03:36:42,155 --> 03:36:44,533
When you heard that
there was a videotape that you watch

4287
03:36:44,616 --> 03:36:46,702
and it can kill you, you want to know how.

4288
03:36:46,785 --> 03:36:49,871
It didn't show you exactly
how these characters died.

4289
03:36:49,955 --> 03:36:52,499
It would show you the aftermath
and it looked horrifying.

4290
03:36:58,797 --> 03:37:02,467
They challenge the audience to say,
"What the fuck happened to this woman?"

4291
03:37:02,551 --> 03:37:04,720
The audience is fiending to actually see

4292
03:37:04,803 --> 03:37:07,222
what the footage looks like
and then they show it to you.

4293
03:37:07,305 --> 03:37:08,890
While you're watching it, "Wait a minute,

4294
03:37:08,974 --> 03:37:11,309
am I actually going to watch
something that is going

4295
03:37:11,393 --> 03:37:12,394
to curse me as well?"

4296
03:37:12,477 --> 03:37:14,896
And in a very meta way,
it scared people on a level

4297
03:37:14,980 --> 03:37:16,231
that they weren't expecting.

4298
03:37:19,192 --> 03:37:21,903
- That's what all horror films
want to evoke.

4299
03:37:21,945 --> 03:37:24,865
They want to blur the distinction between

4300
03:37:24,948 --> 03:37:29,411
fictional screen terror
and your non-fictional real life.

4301
03:37:29,494 --> 03:37:30,829
<i>Sadako was still alive!</i>

4302
03:37:31,455 --> 03:37:32,622
<i>She tried to climb out.</i>

4303
03:37:32,706 --> 03:37:34,958
- This girl who's other,
she doesn't fit in

4304
03:37:35,000 --> 03:37:37,711
and she's been thrown
into this well to die.

4305
03:37:37,794 --> 03:37:40,589
She's been rejected by the world,
by her family, by everyone.

4306
03:37:40,672 --> 03:37:41,923
<i>Sadako!</i>

4307
03:37:44,134 --> 03:37:45,719
Sadako is a victim.

4308
03:37:45,802 --> 03:37:51,266
This absolute parental rejection
that is communicated

4309
03:37:51,349 --> 03:37:54,311
by the act of infanticide
killing your own child.

4310
03:37:54,394 --> 03:37:59,316
The cursed videotape contains images
that no camera ever filmed,

4311
03:37:59,399 --> 03:38:04,237
because they are the imprint
of the ghost's own traumatized psyche.

4312
03:38:11,661 --> 03:38:13,997
There's an ethical quandary
that exists in the <i>Ring</i>,

4313
03:38:14,081 --> 03:38:17,375
where if you were to watch
this videocassette,

4314
03:38:17,459 --> 03:38:18,376
you would get cursed.

4315
03:38:18,460 --> 03:38:21,046
But if you were to show
the videocassette to somebody else,

4316
03:38:21,129 --> 03:38:23,340
they would get cursed
and you would survive.

4317
03:38:23,423 --> 03:38:26,885
So it is this system
that is created in this movie

4318
03:38:26,968 --> 03:38:29,721
that kind of challenges
each of the characters to see

4319
03:38:29,805 --> 03:38:30,847
how far they would go.

4320
03:38:37,479 --> 03:38:42,067
It incentivizes its own reproduction
by turning people

4321
03:38:42,150 --> 03:38:43,318
against one another.

4322
03:38:47,447 --> 03:38:52,410
The film ends with Sadako
crawling out of the TV

4323
03:38:52,494 --> 03:38:53,954
into the real world

4324
03:38:54,037 --> 03:38:57,415
and it is one of the great
bravura moments of horror cinema.

4325
03:39:03,880 --> 03:39:06,800
What a brilliant idea to have
her come through the screen.

4326
03:39:06,883 --> 03:39:10,720
Disturbing, really disturbing.
It scared the shit out of us.

4327
03:39:10,804 --> 03:39:14,224
Something that you can point to and say,
“That is what Japanese horror is."

4328
03:39:17,644 --> 03:39:21,523
<i>Ring</i> was written by a novelist,
Koji Suzuki,

4329
03:39:21,606 --> 03:39:25,652
who was telling this story
of a disrupted family.

4330
03:39:25,735 --> 03:39:29,114
The trilogy of books, <i>Ring</i>,
<i>Spiral</i>, and <i>Loop</i>,

4331
03:39:29,197 --> 03:39:31,575
essentially tell the same thematic story.

4332
03:39:31,658 --> 03:39:34,744
When the producers of the <i>Ring</i>
were making that film,

4333
03:39:34,828 --> 03:39:38,039
they went ahead
and had a production team make

4334
03:39:38,123 --> 03:39:42,210
<i>Spiral </i>into a companion film
such that the first movie

4335
03:39:42,294 --> 03:39:44,754
and its sequel would be released
as a double feature.

4336
03:39:47,841 --> 03:39:51,052
<i>Spiral</i> was directed by a man
named, "George Iida" or "Jôji Iida".

4337
03:39:51,136 --> 03:39:57,058
He actually had previously worked
on a television adaptation of the <i>Ring</i>

4338
03:39:57,142 --> 03:39:59,060
that preceded Hideo Nakata's film.

4339
03:40:01,771 --> 03:40:04,065
It largely deals with a different cast

4340
03:40:04,149 --> 03:40:08,820
and a wholly different genre,
so it didn't feel like a sequel.

4341
03:40:08,904 --> 03:40:11,531
And audiences weren't satisfied with it.

4342
03:40:13,783 --> 03:40:16,453
If you are a completist,
I would definitely implore you

4343
03:40:16,536 --> 03:40:19,289
to watch <i>Ring Spiral</i> after watching <i>Ring.</i>

4344
03:40:19,372 --> 03:40:21,625
Because it is an interesting exploration

4345
03:40:21,708 --> 03:40:25,337
on what the curse is
and how it could have come to be.

4346
03:40:25,420 --> 03:40:29,174
At the time, <i>Ring</i> did gangbusters
and <i>Spiral</i> didn't.

4347
03:40:29,257 --> 03:40:32,928
The producers decided,
"Let's get Hideo Nakata back in the studio

4348
03:40:33,011 --> 03:40:34,930
and let's make something
that looks like the <i>Ring</i>,

4349
03:40:35,013 --> 03:40:37,265
and it sounds like the <i>Ring</i>,
and it feels like the <i>Ring."</i>

4350
03:40:37,349 --> 03:40:42,020
So the<i> Ring 2</i> is a fantastic
sequence of these horror set pieces,

4351
03:40:42,103 --> 03:40:44,189
each one more extraordinary than the last.

4352
03:40:44,272 --> 03:40:45,732
It was a maturation of the curse,

4353
03:40:45,815 --> 03:40:48,610
and it was things that
what you saw in the first film

4354
03:40:48,693 --> 03:40:49,819
weren't limited to anymore.

4355
03:40:49,903 --> 03:40:52,155
And it wasn't just a videocassette
that can kill you.

4356
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:53,657
It was technology.

4357
03:40:58,578 --> 03:41:03,291
That rage grew so much
that her ire turned against society.

4358
03:41:03,375 --> 03:41:04,918
There's no reasoning
with this kind of a ghost

4359
03:41:05,001 --> 03:41:05,961
and that's terrifying.

4360
03:41:10,465 --> 03:41:15,929
It's almost impossible to overstate
the blockbuster explosion of the <i>Ring</i>.

4361
03:41:16,012 --> 03:41:19,557
You still have images
and ideas reverberating through

4362
03:41:19,641 --> 03:41:23,478
modern horror films by western directors
that clearly were influenced,

4363
03:41:23,561 --> 03:41:26,022
so the effect continues to ripple outward.

4364
03:41:39,077 --> 03:41:41,496
<i>Disembodied</i> directed by William Kersten.

4365
03:41:41,579 --> 03:41:45,709
This is a movie about a girl
who checks into a roach motel

4366
03:41:45,792 --> 03:41:48,837
and then keeps her brain
in a little jar on the dresser.

4367
03:41:49,838 --> 03:41:52,674
And then she goes out at night
and starts killing people…

4368
03:41:54,718 --> 03:41:58,013
…with the help of little creatures
that sprout from her face.

4369
03:41:58,096 --> 03:42:02,267
And these little creatures
are stop motion clay-animated beasties

4370
03:42:02,350 --> 03:42:04,602
and they look a lot like vaginas.

4371
03:42:05,937 --> 03:42:08,148
I think a good touchpoint
for this film is that

4372
03:42:08,231 --> 03:42:12,319
it is very Lynchian, it's very surreal,
and nonsensical at times.

4373
03:42:14,696 --> 03:42:17,866
And it has a little bit of Cronenberg
with a little body horror thrown in.

4374
03:42:19,367 --> 03:42:22,620
This movie really sets up this
fantastic little world

4375
03:42:22,704 --> 03:42:24,539
where all this stuff unfolds.

4376
03:42:24,622 --> 03:42:27,709
It has one of the most disgusting
bathroom scenes

4377
03:42:27,792 --> 03:42:30,045
where she's like sitting
in this fetid bathtub

4378
03:42:30,128 --> 03:42:32,297
and there's like little creatures
that crawl around.

4379
03:42:32,380 --> 03:42:35,717
The characters are really rough
and they look dirty.

4380
03:42:35,800 --> 03:42:39,554
Two teenage actors
who are really selling it.

4381
03:42:39,637 --> 03:42:41,598
There's this sunny sort of prostitute

4382
03:42:41,681 --> 03:42:43,558
and this like goth girl
with a brain in a jar.

4383
03:42:43,641 --> 03:42:46,061
And the combination of the two
is really beautiful

4384
03:42:46,144 --> 03:42:47,062
to see on screen.

4385
03:42:47,145 --> 03:42:50,231
<i>You and me are a lot alike.</i>
<i>I could tell the first time I saw you.</i>

4386
03:42:50,315 --> 03:42:51,691
<i>-You could?</i>
<i>-Yeah.</i>

4387
03:42:51,775 --> 03:42:54,903
<i>Both stuck in a sewer,</i>
<i>but we got big plans for the future.</i>

4388
03:42:54,986 --> 03:42:57,364
I think <i>Disembodied</i> is a great example

4389
03:42:57,447 --> 03:43:00,825
of micro-budgeting filmmaking
that's pulling out, you know,

4390
03:43:00,909 --> 03:43:03,870
all the stops with their own
stop motion, and set design,

4391
03:43:03,953 --> 03:43:05,330
and real amateur acting.

4392
03:43:05,413 --> 03:43:09,876
<i>Your friend may actually be</i>
<i>the result of an obscene merger</i>

4393
03:43:09,959 --> 03:43:12,879
<i>of human and extraterrestrial DNA.</i>

4394
03:43:12,962 --> 03:43:16,091
But it really results in this movie

4395
03:43:16,174 --> 03:43:19,427
that has its own little world
with its own little rules.

4396
03:43:19,511 --> 03:43:22,347
It makes sense
on its own logical timeline.

4397
03:43:33,400 --> 03:43:34,859
<i>Wow.</i>

4398
03:43:34,901 --> 03:43:36,611
<i>- Disturbing Behavior.</i>

4399
03:43:36,653 --> 03:43:39,489
I can distill the plot
of <i>Disturbing Behavior</i>

4400
03:43:39,572 --> 03:43:42,909
in perhaps two words. Stepford and wives.

4401
03:43:42,992 --> 03:43:44,911
<i>- I was just going to give you coffee.</i>

4402
03:43:44,994 --> 03:43:48,123
<i>I thought we were friends.</i>
<i>I thought we were friends.</i>

4403
03:43:48,206 --> 03:43:50,750
- There's a reason
<i>The Stepford Wives</i> are a classic

4404
03:43:50,834 --> 03:43:54,212
and it actually applies
very beautifully to teenagers.

4405
03:43:54,295 --> 03:43:57,882
What are teenagers,
but you know, a force of nature

4406
03:43:57,966 --> 03:43:59,717
coming up against conformity.

4407
03:43:59,801 --> 03:44:01,678
<i>Blue ribbons. Community group.</i>

4408
03:44:01,761 --> 03:44:04,514
<i>-Good kids. Have bake sales.</i>
<i>-Blue robots.</i>

4409
03:44:04,597 --> 03:44:06,975
James Marsden who plays
the new kid in school.

4410
03:44:07,058 --> 03:44:10,061
He quickly realizes
that something is amiss

4411
03:44:10,145 --> 03:44:11,896
with all the popular kids in the school.

4412
03:44:11,980 --> 03:44:16,776
<i>-What the fuck?</i>
<i>-The troops shall set you free.</i>

4413
03:44:16,860 --> 03:44:20,572
And so he kind of aligns
with the misfits of the school

4414
03:44:20,655 --> 03:44:24,242
played by Nick Stahl and Katie Holmes
playing against type.

4415
03:44:24,325 --> 03:44:27,495
<i>-This is Rachel Cook's Ridge trash.</i>
<i>-Bite me.</i>

4416
03:44:27,579 --> 03:44:29,456
She's a good girl in <i>Dawson's Creek</i>

4417
03:44:29,539 --> 03:44:32,000
but she's a naughty girl
in <i>Disturbing behavior,</i>

4418
03:44:32,083 --> 03:44:33,376
'cause she's got a nose ring.

4419
03:44:33,460 --> 03:44:35,545
<i>Gavin thinks some sinister force</i>
<i>is taking over</i>

4420
03:44:35,628 --> 03:44:38,006
<i>-the Cradle Bay meatheads.</i>
<i>-No, you know what it is.</i>

4421
03:44:38,089 --> 03:44:40,508
It's like, "Oh, that girl
from <i>Dawson's Creek</i>

4422
03:44:40,592 --> 03:44:42,677
and the kid from <i>The Man Without a Face</i>

4423
03:44:42,802 --> 03:44:46,264
and it's <i>The Stepford Wives </i>
with teenagers. I'm there.

4424
03:44:46,347 --> 03:44:47,932
<i>-They're hypnotized.</i>
<i>-What?</i>

4425
03:44:48,016 --> 03:44:49,851
<i>Okay. Maybe not hypnotized.</i>

4426
03:44:49,934 --> 03:44:52,228
<i>Brainwashed. Lobotomized. Programmed.</i>

4427
03:44:52,312 --> 03:44:55,899
The atmosphere of the town
that it takes place in.

4428
03:44:55,982 --> 03:44:58,860
Teenage alienation, of course.

4429
03:44:58,943 --> 03:45:04,073
It just captures a mood
and a vibe that I-- I think is

4430
03:45:04,157 --> 03:45:06,993
so redolent of '90s horror.

4431
03:45:08,953 --> 03:45:13,416
The movie is such a taut, tight,
well-paced science fiction,

4432
03:45:13,500 --> 03:45:17,879
horror, action thriller
that fires on all cylinders.

4433
03:45:17,962 --> 03:45:20,798
<i>-Jesus Christ.</i>
<i>-Wrong. Bad.</i>

4434
03:45:20,882 --> 03:45:23,510
<i>Wrong. Bad. Wrong. Bad. Bad.</i>

4435
03:45:23,593 --> 03:45:26,095
James Marsden is crushing it
in this movie.

4436
03:45:26,179 --> 03:45:29,390
You've got William Sadler
and you've got Bruce Greenwood.

4437
03:45:29,474 --> 03:45:31,643
Two guys who are amazing character actors.

4438
03:45:31,726 --> 03:45:33,102
<i>- Every time one of these kids</i>
<i>gets a hard-on,</i>

4439
03:45:33,186 --> 03:45:35,146
<i>they go out and beat somebody with it.</i>

4440
03:45:35,230 --> 03:45:37,732
<i>Cut a craniotomy flap,</i>
<i>I'll get elbow deep, see what happens.</i>

4441
03:45:37,815 --> 03:45:38,858
Dr. Caldicott.

4442
03:45:38,942 --> 03:45:42,153
They find out that he's done the surgery
to his own daughter. And he goes…

4443
03:45:42,237 --> 03:45:44,113
<i>She wasn't that bright to begin with.</i>

4444
03:45:44,197 --> 03:45:46,241
And it's like, "Oh my God, he's horrible."

4445
03:45:46,324 --> 03:45:50,036
<i>Straight A's and a leather jacket</i>
<i>and every now and then you rape and kill.</i>

4446
03:45:50,119 --> 03:45:52,121
<i>Cure cancer,</i>
<i>you gotta kill a few white mice.</i>

4447
03:45:52,205 --> 03:45:54,415
I think one of the most
special things about this film

4448
03:45:54,499 --> 03:45:59,045
that lives rent-free in my mind
was when the jock looks at her

4449
03:45:59,128 --> 03:46:02,090
and his hormones have this like throbbing,

4450
03:46:02,173 --> 03:46:04,759
sweaty hormono-vision
when he's looking at her.

4451
03:46:04,842 --> 03:46:07,845
I think that is the teenage
experience incarnate.

4452
03:46:13,017 --> 03:46:15,728
Mark Snow did the music score.

4453
03:46:15,812 --> 03:46:18,356
It's very <i>X-Files</i> adjacent.

4454
03:46:18,439 --> 03:46:20,733
<i>May I have this dance, Steven?</i>

4455
03:46:20,817 --> 03:46:21,943
<i>Where's Rachel?</i>

4456
03:46:22,026 --> 03:46:23,820
<i>She's gone to an institute</i>
<i>of higher learning.</i>

4457
03:46:23,903 --> 03:46:26,698
If Disturbing Behavior feels
a little bit different

4458
03:46:26,781 --> 03:46:30,159
from many of the slasher
teen horror films of its ilk,

4459
03:46:30,243 --> 03:46:35,081
that's because director David Nutter
had cut his teeth in <i>X-Files</i> episodes,

4460
03:46:35,164 --> 03:46:36,791
which kind of lends everything

4461
03:46:36,874 --> 03:46:40,962
a very spooky, supernatural,
unique feel to it.

4462
03:46:41,045 --> 03:46:43,298
And I'm not just talking about
the blue filter.

4463
03:46:44,215 --> 03:46:47,719
But as much as we loved
that uniqueness, the studios did not.

4464
03:46:47,802 --> 03:46:50,930
And they actually wound up
cutting about 30 minutes from it,

4465
03:46:51,014 --> 03:46:53,683
hoping for something
more adjacent to <i>Scream</i>

4466
03:46:53,766 --> 03:46:55,435
and everything else that came before.

4467
03:46:56,686 --> 03:46:59,647
It famously has a completely
rewritten ending,

4468
03:46:59,689 --> 03:47:01,858
because test audiences
didn't connect with it.

4469
03:47:03,651 --> 03:47:07,113
Nobody really knew what to make of it.
Is it a horror movie? What is it?

4470
03:47:08,531 --> 03:47:10,825
The marketing at the time,
everybody was trying

4471
03:47:10,908 --> 03:47:12,619
to make a movie <i>Scream</i>.

4472
03:47:12,702 --> 03:47:15,496
And when it wasn't <i>Scream</i>,
people walked out grumbling about it.

4473
03:47:15,580 --> 03:47:18,249
And so it wasn't able
to be taken on its own.

4474
03:47:18,333 --> 03:47:20,460
And when you take
<i>Disturbing Behavior</i> on its own,

4475
03:47:20,543 --> 03:47:21,669
it's really great.

4476
03:47:21,753 --> 03:47:24,505
<i>Welcome to Cradle Bay High, Stevie Boy.</i>

4477
03:47:24,589 --> 03:47:26,132
<i>Welcome to my nightmare.</i>

4478
03:47:36,392 --> 03:47:38,394
<i>- Halloween H2O.</i>

4479
03:47:38,478 --> 03:47:44,359
As a director, the sooner
I embraced the business of Hollywood,

4480
03:47:44,442 --> 03:47:45,777
the better off I am.

4481
03:47:45,860 --> 03:47:48,571
And the reason they make
horror films is because

4482
03:47:48,655 --> 03:47:50,281
some of them make a lot of money.

4483
03:47:50,365 --> 03:47:51,366
And they're cheap.

4484
03:47:51,449 --> 03:47:55,411
And it isn't because of the art,
it's because of the commerce.

4485
03:47:57,705 --> 03:47:59,874
Coming in hot in 1998,

4486
03:47:59,957 --> 03:48:04,837
<i>Halloween</i> kind of saw
an opportunity to hit the reset button

4487
03:48:04,921 --> 03:48:07,715
with a little bit of the meta
that <i>Scream</i> had made

4488
03:48:07,799 --> 03:48:10,301
into the industry standard at the time.

4489
03:48:10,385 --> 03:48:11,344
<i>Jimmy!</i>

4490
03:48:12,762 --> 03:48:14,681
It's a <i>Halloween </i>sequel
that's really aware of <i>Scream</i>.

4491
03:48:14,764 --> 03:48:16,641
It's got that Kevin Williamson,
<i>Dawson's Creek</i>

4492
03:48:16,724 --> 03:48:20,019
kind of hotness to it
with Michelle Williams and Josh Hartnett.

4493
03:48:20,103 --> 03:48:21,187
<i>What's the plan?</i>

4494
03:48:21,270 --> 03:48:23,690
<i>Romantic dinner. Candlelight. Soft music.</i>

4495
03:48:23,773 --> 03:48:25,650
<i>Animal sex.</i>

4496
03:48:25,733 --> 03:48:26,984
<i>You need a hormone suppressant.</i>

4497
03:48:27,068 --> 03:48:29,987
Kevin Williamson had been tapped
to write a treatment

4498
03:48:30,071 --> 03:48:31,781
that this script was based upon.

4499
03:48:31,864 --> 03:48:33,449
The working title of this film

4500
03:48:33,533 --> 03:48:37,203
was, "Halloween 7:
The Revenge of Laurie Strode".

4501
03:48:37,286 --> 03:48:38,788
<i>- Michael!</i>

4502
03:48:40,957 --> 03:48:42,166
<i>Michael!</i>

4503
03:48:42,250 --> 03:48:45,712
And then you get a movie
that's unnaturally short,

4504
03:48:45,795 --> 03:48:48,339
because the writers
that were brought in were told,

4505
03:48:48,423 --> 03:48:51,718
"Just expand this brilliant treatment
by Kevin Williamson

4506
03:48:51,801 --> 03:48:53,052
and don't change a thing."

4507
03:48:53,136 --> 03:48:55,972
And they're just kind of stretching it out
in any way they can

4508
03:48:56,055 --> 03:48:58,474
without adding anything that messes it up.

4509
03:48:58,558 --> 03:49:01,602
I think it's like 85 minutes.
It's like super short.

4510
03:49:06,065 --> 03:49:09,026
Regardless of the Screamification
of the film,

4511
03:49:09,110 --> 03:49:12,155
it's good to see Jamie Lee Curtis back.

4512
03:49:12,238 --> 03:49:15,616
Jamie Lee Curtis in the time
between <i>Halloween </i>and <i>H2O</i>

4513
03:49:15,700 --> 03:49:17,660
had become a very celebrated actress.

4514
03:49:17,744 --> 03:49:19,620
She was an A-lister.
And the fact that she was coming back

4515
03:49:19,704 --> 03:49:22,248
to do a <i>Halloween</i> movie was like
huge news to horror fans.

4516
03:49:22,331 --> 03:49:25,877
And that raised this to a level
of expectation

4517
03:49:25,960 --> 03:49:27,962
that this franchise probably
hadn't had in decades.

4518
03:49:28,045 --> 03:49:32,258
<i>Michael Myers is dead 20 years.</i>

4519
03:49:32,341 --> 03:49:33,926
<i>Don't you think</i>
<i>he would have shown up by now?</i>

4520
03:49:34,010 --> 03:49:36,220
They were able to get her back
with the promise

4521
03:49:36,304 --> 03:49:38,431
of reuniting with John Carpenter.

4522
03:49:38,514 --> 03:49:40,641
Alas, he wasn't able to strike a deal

4523
03:49:40,725 --> 03:49:43,978
to his satisfaction
and so he doesn't return.

4524
03:49:44,061 --> 03:49:46,481
But Jamie did anyway.
And God bless her for it.

4525
03:49:46,564 --> 03:49:49,358
<i>No musical sleeping bags.</i>
<i>No booze.</i>

4526
03:49:49,442 --> 03:49:51,819
<i>-Aww.</i>
<i>-No drugs. No kidding.</i>

4527
03:49:51,903 --> 03:49:55,823
She's running a boarding school
and that's where we get our cast

4528
03:49:55,907 --> 03:50:00,369
of disposable teenagers for Michael Myers
to slice and dice.

4529
03:50:04,332 --> 03:50:05,708
- It wasn't just hype. She delivered.

4530
03:50:05,792 --> 03:50:07,752
It was a new wrinkle on that character.

4531
03:50:07,835 --> 03:50:09,212
She wasn't the innocent final girl.

4532
03:50:09,295 --> 03:50:11,214
She was a survivor
who was dealing with stuff

4533
03:50:11,297 --> 03:50:12,882
and she was an alcoholic
as a result of it.

4534
03:50:12,965 --> 03:50:15,635
And it was really a kind
of a deep portrayal

4535
03:50:15,718 --> 03:50:17,303
that maybe people weren't expecting.

4536
03:50:17,386 --> 03:50:19,722
But I think which really added
a lot of gravitas to that movie.

4537
03:50:19,806 --> 03:50:21,808
<i>What happened to the sister?</i>
<i>She died, right?</i>

4538
03:50:21,891 --> 03:50:23,476
<i>No. She faked her death.</i>

4539
03:50:23,559 --> 03:50:26,354
<i>And now she's the headmistress</i>
<i>of a very posh secluded</i>

4540
03:50:26,437 --> 03:50:27,897
<i>private school in Northern California.</i>

4541
03:50:27,980 --> 03:50:30,233
- Steve Miner directing,
ignoring everything

4542
03:50:30,316 --> 03:50:31,609
that happened after <i>Halloween II</i>

4543
03:50:31,692 --> 03:50:33,569
and really kind of pulling out
some skills.

4544
03:50:33,653 --> 03:50:35,905
He did a serviceable job
on <i>Friday the 13th</i>, 2 and 3

4545
03:50:35,988 --> 03:50:38,574
and I thought he did a pretty
good job on <i>Halloween H2O</i>.

4546
03:50:38,658 --> 03:50:39,617
<i>Oh, please.</i>

4547
03:50:41,202 --> 03:50:43,204
The production was a little bit
troubled and they were trying to land on

4548
03:50:43,287 --> 03:50:45,331
what the look was for the Shape mask

4549
03:50:45,414 --> 03:50:48,125
and so it changes about
two or three times in that movie.

4550
03:50:48,209 --> 03:50:49,710
I think one of them is CGI.

4551
03:50:53,047 --> 03:50:53,881
<i>Hi.</i>

4552
03:50:53,965 --> 03:50:57,134
Making a replica
is the hardest thing there is.

4553
03:50:57,218 --> 03:50:59,929
And I think we just see that
in all the <i>Halloween</i> masks.

4554
03:51:00,012 --> 03:51:02,765
God knows they've been trying
for how many movies now.

4555
03:51:03,349 --> 03:51:04,392
<i>- Annie!</i>

4556
03:51:05,768 --> 03:51:09,397
By the time they got to <i>Halloween H2O</i>,
the mask just wasn't happening.

4557
03:51:09,480 --> 03:51:10,773
They weren't able to get it right.

4558
03:51:10,815 --> 03:51:12,066
Will!

4559
03:51:15,152 --> 03:51:17,363
Don Post Studios, which was in Burbank,

4560
03:51:17,446 --> 03:51:20,324
we made the original mask which
was William Shatner, you know?

4561
03:51:20,408 --> 03:51:22,785
I sculpted a uh, Captain Kirk mask.

4562
03:51:22,869 --> 03:51:25,955
One day, John Carpenter
and his crew showed up

4563
03:51:26,038 --> 03:51:30,501
and wanted me to paint one white
and spray paint the hair black.

4564
03:51:30,585 --> 03:51:33,421
And a few months later we saw
<i>Halloween </i>and you know,

4565
03:51:33,504 --> 03:51:35,214
as they say, the rest is history.

4566
03:51:36,799 --> 03:51:38,885
<i>- Halloween H2O,</i> that was a tough project.

4567
03:51:38,968 --> 03:51:43,264
It was a replacement score
of fine composer John Ottman.

4568
03:51:43,347 --> 03:51:45,349
For whatever reason,
they decided it didn't work

4569
03:51:45,433 --> 03:51:49,103
and so they wanted me
to replace maybe like 60% of it.

4570
03:51:52,398 --> 03:51:54,734
Use the original material,
but make it a little bit more

4571
03:51:54,817 --> 03:51:55,860
larger than life.

4572
03:51:57,236 --> 03:52:00,114
<i>Oh! Oh my God, oh!</i>

4573
03:52:03,618 --> 03:52:05,244
They gave me like a week
and a half or two weeks,

4574
03:52:05,328 --> 03:52:08,122
something crazy to write,
you know, over half the score.

4575
03:52:08,205 --> 03:52:09,540
I didn't enjoy it at all.

4576
03:52:09,624 --> 03:52:10,791
<i>-Mom!</i>
<i>-Oh my God!</i>

4577
03:52:12,293 --> 03:52:13,961
<i>Oh! Oh my God!</i>

4578
03:52:14,003 --> 03:52:17,924
Well, the thing about <i>H2O</i> is
I really wasn't involved at all with it.

4579
03:52:18,007 --> 03:52:19,842
Jamie Lee wanted me to direct it.

4580
03:52:19,926 --> 03:52:21,093
There just wasn't money in it.

4581
03:52:21,177 --> 03:52:24,847
It was the Weinsteins
and they were rough trade.

4582
03:52:24,931 --> 03:52:26,223
So I said, "No, thank you."

4583
03:52:26,307 --> 03:52:30,770
I tried to write something for them,
but it didn't work out, so.

4584
03:52:30,853 --> 03:52:32,438
Anyway, enough said.

4585
03:52:32,521 --> 03:52:36,651
They have their just desserts.
We all get our just desserts in the end.

4586
03:52:36,734 --> 03:52:38,235
<i>Well hey, it's Halloween.</i>

4587
03:52:38,319 --> 03:52:41,322
<i>I guess everyone is entitled</i>
<i>to one good scare.</i>

4588
03:52:51,749 --> 03:52:52,875
<i>- Blade.</i>

4589
03:52:52,959 --> 03:52:55,836
<i>Howard the Duck</i> might have been
the first Marvel adaptation,

4590
03:52:55,920 --> 03:52:58,214
but <i>Blade</i> takes the cake.

4591
03:52:58,297 --> 03:53:00,424
This movie is so goth.

4592
03:53:00,549 --> 03:53:02,802
<i>- It's Blade. It's the daywalker.</i>

4593
03:53:06,180 --> 03:53:08,307
You can't talk about <i>Blade</i>
without talking about

4594
03:53:08,391 --> 03:53:11,352
that club scene set
to New Order's <i>Confusion</i>.

4595
03:53:14,063 --> 03:53:16,524
A guy is walking into a club

4596
03:53:16,565 --> 03:53:20,069
and it's this very cool, very sexy vibe.

4597
03:53:20,152 --> 03:53:22,405
Blood comes down from the sprinklers

4598
03:53:22,488 --> 03:53:25,241
and you realize everybody
in this club is a vampire.

4599
03:53:25,324 --> 03:53:26,867
<i>What's wrong, baby?</i>

4600
03:53:30,204 --> 03:53:34,125
An amazing, incredible introduction
of a badass character.

4601
03:53:34,208 --> 03:53:36,919
And it's one of those introductions
where you know

4602
03:53:37,003 --> 03:53:39,130
who that character is immediately.

4603
03:53:39,213 --> 03:53:40,464
So fucking cool.

4604
03:53:47,888 --> 03:53:50,099
You can only really know perfect
casting in hindsight,

4605
03:53:50,182 --> 03:53:54,478
but Wesley Snipes as Blade
makes absolute sense.

4606
03:53:54,562 --> 03:53:57,064
<i>There's worse things out tonight</i>
<i>than vampires.</i>

4607
03:53:57,148 --> 03:53:59,400
<i>-Like what?</i>
<i>-Like me.</i>

4608
03:54:00,651 --> 03:54:05,239
He leaned into that role so much
and he knew what the character was.

4609
03:54:05,322 --> 03:54:08,909
<i>Crosses and running water don't do dicks,</i>
<i>so forget what you've seen in the movies.</i>

4610
03:54:08,993 --> 03:54:11,162
<i>You use a stake, silver or sunlight.</i>

4611
03:54:11,245 --> 03:54:14,832
He's a really fascinating anti-hero,
'cause he needs blood as well.

4612
03:54:14,915 --> 03:54:18,711
He is a half-human, half-vampire.
They call him, the "Daywalker",

4613
03:54:18,794 --> 03:54:20,713
because he's able to walk out in daylight

4614
03:54:20,796 --> 03:54:23,299
and he's slaying vampires
left, right, and center.

4615
03:54:23,382 --> 03:54:25,301
<i>You better wake up.</i>

4616
03:54:25,384 --> 03:54:27,845
<i>The world you live in</i>
<i>is just a sugar-coated topping.</i>

4617
03:54:27,928 --> 03:54:31,474
<i>There is another world beneath it.</i>
<i>The real world.</i>

4618
03:54:31,557 --> 03:54:33,809
So in the movie we have him
coming up against

4619
03:54:33,893 --> 03:54:36,353
a whole coven of vampires with designs

4620
03:54:36,437 --> 03:54:40,191
on world domination
and he just busts them up.

4621
03:54:45,488 --> 03:54:48,491
Going around L.A.
killing hipster vampires.

4622
03:54:50,785 --> 03:54:52,203
<i>Yeah.</i>

4623
03:54:54,163 --> 03:54:56,499
Wesley Snipes had
an incredible supporting cast.

4624
03:54:56,540 --> 03:54:59,418
You had N'Bushe Wright
as Karen, the doctor

4625
03:54:59,502 --> 03:55:00,711
and also his love interest.

4626
03:55:00,795 --> 03:55:02,379
<i>You have a lot of love for him, don't you?</i>

4627
03:55:02,463 --> 03:55:04,632
<i>We have a good arrangement.</i>

4628
03:55:04,715 --> 03:55:07,009
<i>He makes the weapons. I use 'em.</i>

4629
03:55:07,093 --> 03:55:10,387
Kris Kristofferson is kind
of his “Q” and his mentor.

4630
03:55:10,471 --> 03:55:11,806
<i>Still heavy.</i>

4631
03:55:11,889 --> 03:55:12,765
<i>You're so big.</i>

4632
03:55:12,848 --> 03:55:16,852
And Stephen Dorff as Deacon Frost,
the villain in the role.

4633
03:55:16,936 --> 03:55:19,438
<i>We should be ruling the human,</i>
<i>not running around</i>

4634
03:55:19,522 --> 03:55:21,148
<i>making back alley treaties with them.</i>

4635
03:55:21,232 --> 03:55:23,192
<i>For fuck's sake,</i>
<i>these people are our food.</i>

4636
03:55:23,275 --> 03:55:27,363
And also Donal Logue
as one of the henchmen

4637
03:55:27,446 --> 03:55:29,031
who like stole every scene he was in.

4638
03:55:29,115 --> 03:55:32,535
<i>You can slice him, you can dice him,</i>
<i>but the Quinn man just keeps on coming.</i>

4639
03:55:32,618 --> 03:55:36,413
There's a sub-genre of superhero horror
that was birthed with <i>Blade</i>.

4640
03:55:38,666 --> 03:55:39,875
He was the epitome of cool.

4641
03:55:39,959 --> 03:55:42,128
He had dark, form-fitting clothes.

4642
03:55:42,211 --> 03:55:44,964
He had a samurai sword.
And he wore sunglasses at night.

4643
03:55:45,047 --> 03:55:46,382
It doesn't get cooler than that.

4644
03:55:50,010 --> 03:55:53,639
- I believe it was <i>Blade</i>
that honestly kicked off

4645
03:55:53,681 --> 03:55:57,351
the superhero surgence
that we are still living through today.

4646
03:55:57,434 --> 03:56:00,729
Because <i>Blade</i> was the first
real superhero movie

4647
03:56:00,813 --> 03:56:03,732
that showed it could be done
in a realistic

4648
03:56:03,816 --> 03:56:05,985
and grounded, believable way.

4649
03:56:06,068 --> 03:56:07,361
And also make money.

4650
03:56:07,444 --> 03:56:10,656
<i>Hey Blade! Let's do this.</i>

4651
03:56:10,739 --> 03:56:13,742
- August, much like January,
was considered a dumping ground

4652
03:56:13,826 --> 03:56:15,703
for movies that the studio
didn't care about.

4653
03:56:15,786 --> 03:56:18,914
And like <i>Blade</i> proved
that a movie released in August

4654
03:56:18,998 --> 03:56:19,915
could make money.

4655
03:56:19,999 --> 03:56:23,961
So <i>Blade</i>'s release expanded
the summer movie season

4656
03:56:24,044 --> 03:56:27,047
to go from May and July,
from May to August.

4657
03:56:27,131 --> 03:56:28,924
The movie was gangbusters.

4658
03:56:29,008 --> 03:56:31,468
It was a huge hit, spawning a sequel,

4659
03:56:31,552 --> 03:56:34,722
helmed by Guillermo del Toro,
and then a third one as well,

4660
03:56:34,805 --> 03:56:36,390
wrapping up a nice trilogy.

4661
03:56:36,473 --> 03:56:37,933
<i>Blade</i> is a great franchise.

4662
03:56:38,017 --> 03:56:41,770
The first movie, Steve Norrington,
a friend of mine, did a great, great job.

4663
03:56:41,854 --> 03:56:45,107
And then really, Guillermo kind
of elevated it with <i>Blade II</i>.

4664
03:56:47,776 --> 03:56:50,029
He was the James Cameron to Ridley Scott.

4665
03:56:50,112 --> 03:56:52,239
You know, he kind of took
something and made something

4666
03:56:52,323 --> 03:56:54,241
slightly different with it,
which I thought was great.

4667
03:56:54,325 --> 03:56:57,703
<i>Some motherfuckers are always</i>
<i>trying to ice-skate uphill.</i>

4668
03:57:03,459 --> 03:57:04,668
<i>We are the key.</i>

4669
03:57:04,752 --> 03:57:06,879
<i>The cube, is us.</i>

4670
03:57:09,089 --> 03:57:13,093
<i>Cube</i> is about six strangers
who wake up in a maze

4671
03:57:13,177 --> 03:57:15,387
of identical rooms that are all cubes.

4672
03:57:15,471 --> 03:57:18,349
Some rooms are safe,
and some rooms have booby traps,

4673
03:57:18,432 --> 03:57:21,352
and they have to work together
to find a way to escape.

4674
03:57:21,435 --> 03:57:24,605
<i>There's a way in here,</i>
<i>so there's gotta be a way out.</i>

4675
03:57:24,688 --> 03:57:26,440
<i>We can avoid the traps using the boot.</i>

4676
03:57:26,523 --> 03:57:28,984
<i>We just have to stay calm</i>
<i>and work together as a team.</i>

4677
03:57:29,068 --> 03:57:30,945
I thought, "Wouldn't it be interesting
if you made a film

4678
03:57:31,028 --> 03:57:32,571
that took place entirely in hell?"

4679
03:57:32,655 --> 03:57:35,991
And then I thought, "What is the
21st century version of hell?

4680
03:57:36,075 --> 03:57:37,618
What's our contemporary version?"

4681
03:57:37,701 --> 03:57:40,037
And I thought,
"It would be a geometric hell.

4682
03:57:40,120 --> 03:57:41,247
It would be a Bauhaus hell.

4683
03:57:41,330 --> 03:57:43,874
It would be modern architecture.
It would be mathematical."

4684
03:57:43,958 --> 03:57:47,002
<i>Of course, coded Cartesian coordinates.</i>

4685
03:57:47,086 --> 03:57:49,630
<i>The numbers tell us where we are</i>
<i>inside the cube.</i>

4686
03:57:49,713 --> 03:57:52,800
- The writing of it, which I did
with my lifelong friend André Bijelic,

4687
03:57:52,883 --> 03:57:55,761
I just sort of stumbled on this
very archetypal concept

4688
03:57:55,844 --> 03:57:57,513
and for that reason it resonated.

4689
03:57:57,596 --> 03:57:59,932
The initial draft that I wrote
entirely on my own

4690
03:58:00,015 --> 03:58:02,518
was much more absurdist and fantastical.

4691
03:58:02,601 --> 03:58:06,981
There was moss on the walls,
and there was a kind of Minotaur,

4692
03:58:07,064 --> 03:58:10,818
although not really, in the maze,
and it just had a lot of stuff.

4693
03:58:10,901 --> 03:58:13,112
I usually find in writing it's about,

4694
03:58:13,195 --> 03:58:15,781
after that first draft,
it's about pulling things away.

4695
03:58:15,864 --> 03:58:18,325
<i>- Only the government could build</i>
<i>something this ugly.</i>

4696
03:58:18,409 --> 03:58:20,953
<i>-Oh, it ain't government.</i>
<i>-Then what is it?</i>

4697
03:58:21,036 --> 03:58:23,706
<i>-I don't know.</i>
<i>-Aliens.</i>

4698
03:58:23,789 --> 03:58:26,125
These people should arrive
in the cube with nothing

4699
03:58:26,208 --> 03:58:27,418
but the clothes on their back.

4700
03:58:27,501 --> 03:58:30,671
There's nothing there to help them,
and the ticking clock of the movie is

4701
03:58:30,754 --> 03:58:33,132
they're gonna starve
or die of dehydration.

4702
03:58:33,215 --> 03:58:36,302
<i>Heat, stress, physical exertion</i>
<i>as the body</i>

4703
03:58:36,385 --> 03:58:38,762
<i>eventually begins to break down</i>
<i>its own tissue.</i>

4704
03:58:38,846 --> 03:58:40,264
<i>Cube</i>, like many horror films,

4705
03:58:40,347 --> 03:58:42,182
I think it's dealing
with something very primal.

4706
03:58:42,266 --> 03:58:46,353
It is tweaking a nerve that felt
a bit raw at that moment

4707
03:58:46,437 --> 03:58:48,063
in the mid-'90s.

4708
03:58:48,147 --> 03:58:49,481
It's like an existential nerve.

4709
03:58:49,565 --> 03:58:51,734
It was like a sense of like,
"Well, what are we doing here?

4710
03:58:51,817 --> 03:58:52,818
What is our future?"

4711
03:58:52,901 --> 03:58:54,862
<i>- I mean, nobody wants</i>
<i>to see the big picture.</i>

4712
03:58:54,945 --> 03:58:57,031
<i>Life's too complicated.</i>
<i>Let's face it.</i>

4713
03:58:57,114 --> 03:58:59,491
<i>The reason we're here</i>
<i>is that it's out of control.</i>

4714
03:58:59,575 --> 03:59:02,036
- The set itself was one and a half cubes.

4715
03:59:02,119 --> 03:59:05,581
So when desired, we could have
a cube that was six walls

4716
03:59:05,664 --> 03:59:07,458
plus a cube that was three walls.

4717
03:59:07,541 --> 03:59:09,918
So you could carry the characters
from one room to another.

4718
03:59:10,002 --> 03:59:12,212
You always had a view into another room.

4719
03:59:12,296 --> 03:59:15,174
And we could pull out one wall
from the six-wall cube,

4720
03:59:15,257 --> 03:59:16,967
which is generally how we shot the film.

4721
03:59:17,051 --> 03:59:19,011
But the problem with that was
that only gave me

4722
03:59:19,094 --> 03:59:20,554
a 180-degree view.

4723
03:59:20,637 --> 03:59:23,140
It shows the magic of cinema
that it feels like

4724
03:59:23,223 --> 03:59:24,558
a fully-enclosed set.

4725
03:59:24,641 --> 03:59:25,559
<i>Merde.</i>

4726
03:59:28,187 --> 03:59:30,272
I'm sure I'd be the first person
to die in the cube.

4727
03:59:30,356 --> 03:59:31,440
I wouldn't last a minute.

4728
03:59:33,692 --> 03:59:35,944
My favorite death in <i>Cube</i>
is the first one,

4729
03:59:36,028 --> 03:59:38,280
played by the ubiquitous Julian Richings,

4730
03:59:38,405 --> 03:59:41,200
who gets literally cubed by a wire mesh.

4731
03:59:42,868 --> 03:59:46,914
We met this amazing makeup
effects company called, "Caligari",

4732
03:59:46,997 --> 03:59:50,709
and they built a silicone replica,
which was basically a building block set.

4733
03:59:50,793 --> 03:59:52,753
You just stacked it all together,

4734
03:59:52,836 --> 03:59:56,298
and on the very last day,
the very last shot,

4735
03:59:56,382 --> 03:59:59,176
which came after 30 consecutive
hours of shooting,

4736
03:59:59,259 --> 04:00:01,970
we shot Julian being cubed.

4737
04:00:02,054 --> 04:00:04,139
And we got it in one take. Thank God.

4738
04:00:05,974 --> 04:00:08,936
Life imitated art on the <i>Cube</i>,
because being in the cube

4739
04:00:09,019 --> 04:00:11,438
was a kind of psychological experiment.

4740
04:00:11,522 --> 04:00:15,442
Because the cube itself was lit
by literally thousands

4741
04:00:15,526 --> 04:00:19,238
of 100 watt bulbs outside
of the plexiglass walls.

4742
04:00:19,321 --> 04:00:21,698
So, in a very short order,
it became an oven.

4743
04:00:21,782 --> 04:00:25,327
And then, add to that,
the colors of the walls

4744
04:00:25,411 --> 04:00:27,788
had an impact on people psychologically.

4745
04:00:27,871 --> 04:00:30,374
And there's no question that
when we were in the red room,

4746
04:00:30,457 --> 04:00:32,376
that's when people kind of went crazy.

4747
04:00:32,459 --> 04:00:36,004
But I think in a positive way,
it kind of bled into the performances.

4748
04:00:36,088 --> 04:00:38,215
Like there was a real tension on the set.

4749
04:00:38,298 --> 04:00:40,676
<i>Put us out of your misery,</i>
<i>so we can get on with getting out of here.</i>

4750
04:00:40,759 --> 04:00:43,262
<i>-Oh, you're not getting out of here.</i>
<i>-Yes, we are!</i>

4751
04:00:43,345 --> 04:00:44,638
<i>There is no way out of here!</i>

4752
04:00:44,721 --> 04:00:47,850
We never really had enough money
or time to do the movie,

4753
04:00:47,933 --> 04:00:49,017
as is often the case.

4754
04:00:49,101 --> 04:00:54,064
So, it was a super intense hard process
that nearly killed me.

4755
04:00:54,148 --> 04:00:56,150
In fact, literally so,
because at one point,

4756
04:00:56,233 --> 04:00:58,026
the set almost collapsed on top of me.

4757
04:00:58,110 --> 04:01:00,279
You would think shooting in a box
would be really easy,

4758
04:01:00,362 --> 04:01:01,321
but it's not. It's horrible.

4759
04:01:01,405 --> 04:01:03,157
<i>There is a purpose.</i>

4760
04:01:03,240 --> 04:01:05,993
<i>We are the purpose.</i>
<i>The cube is us.</i>

4761
04:01:06,076 --> 04:01:07,911
That movie was made at a time

4762
04:01:07,995 --> 04:01:11,290
when the independent film market
was very robust.

4763
04:01:11,373 --> 04:01:15,419
The video market, which is really where
in North America, <i>Cube</i> found its audience.

4764
04:01:15,502 --> 04:01:18,755
I think if <i>Cube </i>were made now,
unless we were really lucky,

4765
04:01:18,839 --> 04:01:23,343
it wouldn't have that kind of life
that films could have at that time.

4766
04:01:26,555 --> 04:01:27,639
It has survived.

4767
04:01:27,723 --> 04:01:29,892
Like, it's a kind of film
that you could watch now

4768
04:01:29,975 --> 04:01:32,060
and maybe not know when it was made.

4769
04:01:32,144 --> 04:01:34,438
I'm touched and flattered
that there are sequels to <i>Cube</i>

4770
04:01:34,521 --> 04:01:37,608
and a remake, but I never wanted
to have anything to do with the sequels,

4771
04:01:37,691 --> 04:01:41,570
'cause it was kind of only one story
to tell in the <i>Cube</i> that I could see.

4772
04:01:41,653 --> 04:01:43,864
<i>I'd have to calculate the number</i>
<i>of factors in each set.</i>

4773
04:01:43,947 --> 04:01:45,532
<i>-Figure it out.</i>
<i>-I can't!</i>

4774
04:01:45,616 --> 04:01:47,826
<i>I'm not dying in a fucking rat maze!</i>

4775
04:01:47,910 --> 04:01:50,496
It's about how we are all dropped
into this world

4776
04:01:50,579 --> 04:01:53,040
without being given
any kind of formula or math

4777
04:01:53,123 --> 04:01:54,708
as to how to live our lives.

4778
04:01:54,791 --> 04:01:56,877
And we're here with other people
with whom we choose

4779
04:01:56,960 --> 04:02:00,005
to make allies or enemies.

4780
04:02:00,088 --> 04:02:01,757
Kind of defines the road that we take.

4781
04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:04,051
I think on some level
that's really what the movie is about.

4782
04:02:04,134 --> 04:02:06,136
<i>You've got to save yourselves</i>
<i>from yourselves.</i>

4783
04:02:06,220 --> 04:02:07,638
<i>That's the real challenge.</i>

4784
04:02:13,477 --> 04:02:15,729
<i>Someone out there is taking</i>
<i>all these urban legends</i>

4785
04:02:15,812 --> 04:02:17,105
<i>and making them reality.</i>

4786
04:02:17,189 --> 04:02:18,941
<i>- Urban Legend.</i>

4787
04:02:18,982 --> 04:02:22,736
<i>Scream </i>really did pave the way
for other horror movies

4788
04:02:22,778 --> 04:02:24,696
that were a little bit different.

4789
04:02:30,285 --> 04:02:32,996
We've all heard
these urban legends, I think.

4790
04:02:33,080 --> 04:02:34,915
I mean, everyone I know has heard them,

4791
04:02:34,998 --> 04:02:38,043
especially the Pop Rocks
and the Coca-Cola,

4792
04:02:38,126 --> 04:02:39,545
Flashing your lights.

4793
04:02:39,628 --> 04:02:43,799
I don't know how before internet
it circulated, but it did.

4794
04:02:43,882 --> 04:02:45,008
It was, you know,

4795
04:02:45,092 --> 04:02:48,512
someone's friend's brother's
uncle's sister's son.

4796
04:02:48,595 --> 04:02:50,472
This really happened to them.

4797
04:02:54,309 --> 04:02:58,897
<i>Urban Legend</i> is about these college kids
who are getting killed off one by one.

4798
04:02:58,981 --> 04:03:02,526
And the hook is people are being killed
with <i>Urban Legends</i>.

4799
04:03:02,609 --> 04:03:06,530
<i>A call's coming from inside the house.</i>

4800
04:03:06,613 --> 04:03:08,907
<i>Could it be an urban legend?</i>

4801
04:03:08,991 --> 04:03:11,535
- Jamie Blanks, the director
of <i>Urban Legend</i>.

4802
04:03:11,618 --> 04:03:14,079
Talk about someone else
who shares an affinity for horror movies.

4803
04:03:14,162 --> 04:03:16,415
This guy knows everything about
horror movies.

4804
04:03:19,585 --> 04:03:23,463
You would never know that
Jamie Blanks was a first-time director,

4805
04:03:23,547 --> 04:03:25,757
because he really knew what he was doing.

4806
04:03:25,841 --> 04:03:27,759
Working with him, you would just watch him

4807
04:03:27,843 --> 04:03:29,636
and it was like watching a kid
in a candy shop.

4808
04:03:29,720 --> 04:03:31,930
He was like giddy.
Every day. Giddy.

4809
04:03:34,141 --> 04:03:37,144
- The fact that Jamie cast
Brad Dourif and Robert Englund

4810
04:03:37,227 --> 04:03:40,355
was a clear nod to the horror community.

4811
04:03:40,439 --> 04:03:44,192
<i>Someone's in the back seat!</i>

4812
04:03:44,276 --> 04:03:47,070
- When we had Robert Englund on the set,
we were both starstruck.

4813
04:03:47,154 --> 04:03:49,281
I had him sign my <i>Fangoria Magazine</i>.

4814
04:03:49,364 --> 04:03:52,242
<i>The babysitter and the man upstairs</i>

4815
04:03:52,326 --> 04:03:55,954
<i>is what we call, "an urban legend".</i>

4816
04:03:56,038 --> 04:03:58,123
The cast of <i>Urban Legend</i> is impressive

4817
04:03:58,206 --> 04:04:02,127
and I think it says a lot about
what was going on at that time,

4818
04:04:02,210 --> 04:04:04,838
because every actor wanted to do
a horror movie.

4819
04:04:04,921 --> 04:04:07,090
It felt like we were just at camp.

4820
04:04:11,011 --> 04:04:13,639
Rebecca Gayheart,
the face of Noxzema. Right?

4821
04:04:13,722 --> 04:04:15,849
She was beautiful inside out.

4822
04:04:15,932 --> 04:04:17,893
<i>And Brenda's the girl</i>
<i>in that Noxzema commercial.</i>

4823
04:04:19,144 --> 04:04:21,605
<i>-What if there is a lunatic on campus?</i>
<i>-Fine with me.</i>

4824
04:04:21,688 --> 04:04:23,273
<i>I'm hitting the halfpipe</i>
<i>at Killington this weekend.</i>

4825
04:04:23,357 --> 04:04:25,776
When I read the script for <i>Urban Legend</i>,

4826
04:04:25,859 --> 04:04:28,612
I immediately was like,
"I want to play Brenda Bates.

4827
04:04:28,695 --> 04:04:30,447
I have to play Brenda."

4828
04:04:30,530 --> 04:04:32,491
<i>Is this what you do</i>
<i>with your free time, Damon?</i>

4829
04:04:32,574 --> 04:04:34,034
<i>Just hang out in the dark by yourself</i>

4830
04:04:34,117 --> 04:04:35,869
<i>waiting to scare people</i>
<i>like a total freak?</i>

4831
04:04:35,952 --> 04:04:38,747
Initially, they wanted it
to be shot in the winter.

4832
04:04:38,830 --> 04:04:43,752
This dark gray college campus
and that did not work out

4833
04:04:43,835 --> 04:04:45,295
for the shooting schedule for the movie.

4834
04:04:45,337 --> 04:04:49,591
So, you know,
we all had to pivot and it was hot out.

4835
04:04:49,675 --> 04:04:51,718
It was summertime in Toronto.

4836
04:04:51,802 --> 04:04:54,429
When I think about <i>Scream 2</i>,
going from that set

4837
04:04:54,513 --> 04:04:56,973
to <i>Urban Legend</i>, I just had more to do.

4838
04:04:57,057 --> 04:04:59,101
So there was a lot more work.
So I had to focus more.

4839
04:04:59,184 --> 04:05:01,228
<i>You don't waste any time, do you, Natalie?</i>

4840
04:05:01,311 --> 04:05:02,604
<i>-Brenda!</i>
<i>-Here. It's light.</i>

4841
04:05:02,688 --> 04:05:05,065
The choice for the killer
to wear the parka,

4842
04:05:05,148 --> 04:05:09,319
I believe it was a throwback
to the poster of <i>The Thing</i>,

4843
04:05:09,403 --> 04:05:10,779
which I think is smart.

4844
04:05:13,323 --> 04:05:16,076
- They gave us a parka for our gift.

4845
04:05:16,118 --> 04:05:18,662
They gave the whole crew and cast.
I still have mine.

4846
04:05:18,745 --> 04:05:21,540
I'm the only one
who has my <i>Urban Legend</i> parka.

4847
04:05:23,375 --> 04:05:25,836
There were a lot of stuff cut
that I was bummed about.

4848
04:05:25,919 --> 04:05:29,172
Like there was a sex scene.
Why do they always cut my sex scene?

4849
04:05:29,256 --> 04:05:31,007
Tara Reid and I had a sex scene.

4850
04:05:31,091 --> 04:05:33,802
We're going at it and Hootie,
my dog, comes over

4851
04:05:33,885 --> 04:05:35,721
and has a finger in its mouth.

4852
04:05:35,804 --> 04:05:38,765
"Jamie, whose finger was that?"
Maybe that's why it got cut. I don't know.

4853
04:05:38,849 --> 04:05:40,475
One of the kills
in one of the <i>Urban Legends</i>

4854
04:05:40,559 --> 04:05:42,477
that I did not like
and I did not approve of

4855
04:05:42,561 --> 04:05:45,897
was the dog in the microwave.
I hated that so much.

4856
04:05:45,981 --> 04:05:48,775
<i>Goddamn.</i>
<i>Fucking sick motherfucker!</i>

4857
04:05:48,859 --> 04:05:50,110
As an actor, when you read the script,

4858
04:05:50,193 --> 04:05:52,237
you're like, "I'm still alive.
I'm still alive.

4859
04:05:52,320 --> 04:05:56,241
Ah, shit. They got me.
But at least I lasted.

4860
04:05:56,324 --> 04:05:57,951
I think there's only 15 pages left.

4861
04:05:58,034 --> 04:05:59,202
Alright. That's good. That's good."

4862
04:06:02,414 --> 04:06:06,960
I got the Pop Rocks and Drano
and that was hard to shoot,

4863
04:06:07,043 --> 04:06:09,004
'cause I was tied up to a turlet,

4864
04:06:09,087 --> 04:06:13,008
as we call it in Indiana, and they just
put that funnel down my mouth

4865
04:06:13,091 --> 04:06:14,342
and they're pouring all this stuff.

4866
04:06:14,426 --> 04:06:16,386
You're like, "Ah!"
And you're moving your body.

4867
04:06:16,470 --> 04:06:18,513
Your whole body hurts
for a week after these scenes.

4868
04:06:18,597 --> 04:06:21,933
I still have a Polaroid picture
of me dead, lying on the ground.

4869
04:06:22,017 --> 04:06:23,268
It was a great death.

4870
04:06:23,351 --> 04:06:26,104
I think the killer in the back seat

4871
04:06:26,188 --> 04:06:28,982
is probably the scariest
and I think we've all checked.

4872
04:06:29,065 --> 04:06:30,150
We've all thought about it.

4873
04:06:32,152 --> 04:06:33,737
I still check sometimes.

4874
04:06:36,031 --> 04:06:38,909
Spoiler alert to those of you
who don't know,

4875
04:06:38,992 --> 04:06:41,369
Brenda Bates is indeed the killer.

4876
04:06:42,037 --> 04:06:43,038
<i>Got ya.</i>

4877
04:06:43,121 --> 04:06:47,292
And there's very few female serial killers
at all in movies, period.

4878
04:06:47,375 --> 04:06:51,546
<i>Is this the kidney?</i>
<i>Or is that the liver?</i>

4879
04:06:53,048 --> 04:06:55,050
<i>I was always such a dope in anatomy.</i>

4880
04:06:55,091 --> 04:06:56,593
I wanted the audience to understand

4881
04:06:56,676 --> 04:07:01,014
why she was so hurt that
she sort of became mentally ill

4882
04:07:01,097 --> 04:07:02,808
and went to this place.

4883
04:07:02,891 --> 04:07:04,226
<i>Oh my God.</i>

4884
04:07:04,309 --> 04:07:06,561
<i>Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!</i>

4885
04:07:06,645 --> 04:07:10,106
- As a cast, we saw a rough cut.

4886
04:07:10,190 --> 04:07:13,235
So, at the premiere,
it felt like the first time

4887
04:07:13,318 --> 04:07:14,277
watching the movie.

4888
04:07:14,361 --> 04:07:15,946
Of course, I wanted to disappear.

4889
04:07:16,029 --> 04:07:18,949
It's horrible as an actress
watching movies

4890
04:07:19,032 --> 04:07:20,659
with other people, if I'm in it.

4891
04:07:20,742 --> 04:07:23,662
If I'm in the movie,
I prefer watching by myself.

4892
04:07:23,745 --> 04:07:26,081
<i>I have already tried therapy!</i>

4893
04:07:26,164 --> 04:07:29,042
<i>Obviously, it did me no good, Natalie.</i>

4894
04:07:29,125 --> 04:07:31,795
<i>And I must say, I am kind</i>
<i>of enjoying all this.</i>

4895
04:07:31,878 --> 04:07:35,215
The only thing I was worried about
as an actor is not getting fired.

4896
04:07:35,298 --> 04:07:36,716
It was my first big role.

4897
04:07:36,800 --> 04:07:39,469
I was not just in the movie,
but I was into the movie.

4898
04:07:39,553 --> 04:07:43,181
There were some great scares
and I just was really proud

4899
04:07:43,265 --> 04:07:47,477
that it was such a good-looking movie
and it did what it was supposed to do.

4900
04:07:47,561 --> 04:07:50,021
<i>- Don't you want to be an urban legend?</i>

4901
04:07:50,105 --> 04:07:51,398
<i>All your friends are now.</i>

4902
04:07:51,481 --> 04:07:54,484
The fans of <i>Urban Legend</i>,
they love Brenda. And I love that.

4903
04:07:54,568 --> 04:07:56,528
So it's really fun
if someone ever comes up

4904
04:07:56,611 --> 04:07:57,696
and mentions it to me.

4905
04:07:57,779 --> 04:08:00,323
We have a good laugh about it.

4906
04:08:00,407 --> 04:08:03,743
We are still talking about it.
They are doing a remake.

4907
04:08:03,827 --> 04:08:05,871
There's been an <i>Urban Legend 2</i>.

4908
04:08:05,954 --> 04:08:08,039
I like the legacy.
I like that it lives on.

4909
04:08:10,959 --> 04:08:12,168
My kids are teenagers.

4910
04:08:12,252 --> 04:08:15,130
I have taken 15 years off from acting.

4911
04:08:15,213 --> 04:08:19,259
I've done tiny cameos, but otherwise
I haven't worked in a very long time.

4912
04:08:19,342 --> 04:08:22,262
I think I would definitely return
to the horror genre.

4913
04:08:22,345 --> 04:08:25,015
I want to get my hands back
into all mediums.

4914
04:08:25,098 --> 04:08:29,644
<i>So if this is an urban legend,</i>
<i>at what point do we get to the twist?</i>

4915
04:08:37,319 --> 04:08:39,362
<i>Want to play ball, Scarecrow.</i>

4916
04:08:40,405 --> 04:08:42,532
<i>- Strangeland.</i>

4917
04:08:42,616 --> 04:08:45,201
Horror has always played around
with the idea

4918
04:08:45,285 --> 04:08:47,203
of what's real and what's not.

4919
04:08:47,287 --> 04:08:50,624
There were tons of stories of people,

4920
04:08:50,707 --> 04:08:52,459
they didn't even call it
catfishing back then,

4921
04:08:52,542 --> 04:08:55,045
but everybody was worried about
their young daughter,

4922
04:08:55,128 --> 04:08:56,796
people going into a chat room,

4923
04:08:56,880 --> 04:08:58,840
and the bad things
that could happen to you,

4924
04:08:58,924 --> 04:09:01,009
because you don't know
who's on the other side.

4925
04:09:01,092 --> 04:09:03,511
<i>You're going on a blind date</i>
<i>with a screen name?</i>

4926
04:09:03,595 --> 04:09:04,471
<i>- Where have you been?</i>

4927
04:09:04,554 --> 04:09:07,057
<i>Someday we'll meet, marry,</i>
<i>and have cybersex with the man</i>

4928
04:09:07,140 --> 04:09:08,391
<i>of our dreams online.</i>

4929
04:09:08,475 --> 04:09:11,353
<i>Strangeland</i> was completely
intended to be a cautionary tale.

4930
04:09:11,436 --> 04:09:14,648
And what would you do
if your child was kidnapped,

4931
04:09:14,731 --> 04:09:16,524
if your child was being tortured?

4932
04:09:16,608 --> 04:09:18,735
The original <i>Strangeland</i>
was called, "Helltown",

4933
04:09:18,818 --> 04:09:20,195
and it was just a slasher movie.

4934
04:09:20,278 --> 04:09:23,323
Captain Howdy came from a couple
of Twisted Sister songs,

4935
04:09:23,406 --> 04:09:25,575
and I sent it to my friend Tom Savini,

4936
04:09:25,659 --> 04:09:28,119
who had done special effects
on a Twisted Sister video

4937
04:09:28,203 --> 04:09:29,579
called, "<i>Be Chrool to Your Scuel</i>".

4938
04:09:29,663 --> 04:09:32,624
<i>♪ Be cool to your school ♪</i>

4939
04:09:32,707 --> 04:09:34,376
<i>♪ 'Cause you may never get another ♪</i>

4940
04:09:34,459 --> 04:09:38,546
And Tom called me and said, "It sucks."

4941
04:09:38,630 --> 04:09:42,217
And I took a eight-hour train ride
from Long Island

4942
04:09:42,300 --> 04:09:44,469
to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

4943
04:09:44,511 --> 04:09:48,056
to sit at the knee of Tom Savini,
a man who knows horror.

4944
04:09:48,139 --> 04:09:50,600
And he explained how mundane
what I was doing,

4945
04:09:50,684 --> 04:09:54,396
how derivative what I was doing,
and why it was not scary.

4946
04:09:54,479 --> 04:09:58,858
And I started thinking about horror,
thinking about what scared me.

4947
04:09:58,942 --> 04:10:01,903
When you're bound and helpless,
that's terrifying.

4948
04:10:01,987 --> 04:10:03,738
And what's scarier than dying?

4949
04:10:03,822 --> 04:10:06,616
Suffering. Being tortured, and not dying.

4950
04:10:06,658 --> 04:10:10,495
<i>- Sure, it is a touchy operation,</i>
<i>and God forbid,</i>

4951
04:10:10,537 --> 04:10:13,456
<i>you hit the cavernosum.</i>
<i>Blood squirts everywhere.</i>

4952
04:10:13,540 --> 04:10:16,960
I owe Tom Savini for pushing me
to go further,

4953
04:10:17,043 --> 04:10:18,878
go deeper, think more.

4954
04:10:18,962 --> 04:10:23,717
Inspiration for <i>Strangeland</i> was <i>Seven</i>,
was <i>Silence of the Lambs</i>.

4955
04:10:23,800 --> 04:10:27,178
Movies grounded in reality.
It could happen.

4956
04:10:27,262 --> 04:10:30,306
I got the idea.
I said, "You know, wow, this AOL thing,

4957
04:10:30,390 --> 04:10:33,059
these chat rooms, you could really do
some damage with that."

4958
04:10:33,143 --> 04:10:34,602
And I experimented and I said,

4959
04:10:34,686 --> 04:10:38,606
"You know, I'm going to create
a personality that's a teenager,

4960
04:10:38,690 --> 04:10:41,651
lives in the next town",
and I went to the chat room, and I said,

4961
04:10:41,735 --> 04:10:44,237
"Let me see if I can get some
of these young girls to agree

4962
04:10:44,279 --> 04:10:45,780
to come over to my house."

4963
04:10:45,822 --> 04:10:48,158
And mind you, I'm in my 40s at the time.

4964
04:10:48,241 --> 04:10:50,910
Sure enough, I said,
"Hey, wanna come to a party?"

4965
04:10:50,994 --> 04:10:54,497
And this young girl goes, "Where? When?"

4966
04:10:54,581 --> 04:10:57,083
And I said, "Oh shit!"

4967
04:10:57,167 --> 04:11:00,754
And I remember literally yanking
the plug out of the wall,

4968
04:11:00,837 --> 04:11:02,922
'cause I was like, "Holy crap, it worked!"

4969
04:11:03,006 --> 04:11:04,549
<i>Where's my daughter, Hendricks?</i>

4970
04:11:04,632 --> 04:11:06,885
<i>Genevieve's with me.</i>

4971
04:11:06,968 --> 04:11:09,012
<i>I'm taking especially good care of her.</i>

4972
04:11:09,095 --> 04:11:12,515
By the way, the name, "Captain Howdy",
it comes from <i>The Exorcist</i>.

4973
04:11:12,599 --> 04:11:14,184
<i>You really don't want me to play, huh?</i>

4974
04:11:14,267 --> 04:11:17,020
<i>No, I do. Captain Howdy said no.</i>

4975
04:11:17,103 --> 04:11:19,773
I was tired of watching Chucky
and <i>Leprechaun</i>.

4976
04:11:19,856 --> 04:11:21,024
I didn't want people liking the villain.

4977
04:11:21,107 --> 04:11:22,984
I wanted people to be terrified
of the villain.

4978
04:11:23,068 --> 04:11:24,402
<i>Here he comes.</i>

4979
04:11:27,447 --> 04:11:31,951
I started to discover
the modern primitive movement,

4980
04:11:31,993 --> 04:11:33,912
the body modification movement.

4981
04:11:33,995 --> 04:11:36,998
In the mid-'90s, it was not
as widely as acceptable.

4982
04:11:37,082 --> 04:11:39,751
It was still sort
of a <i>Dark Corners</i> kind of thing.

4983
04:11:39,834 --> 04:11:42,337
And incorporated that into my character.

4984
04:11:42,420 --> 04:11:46,132
He spews the rhetoric,
but he doesn't believe a word of it.

4985
04:11:46,216 --> 04:11:49,594
He uses it like it's an excuse
for everything he does.

4986
04:11:49,677 --> 04:11:51,179
But he just wants to hurt people.

4987
04:11:51,262 --> 04:11:55,058
<i>This pain is an important part</i>
<i>of our bonding.</i>

4988
04:11:55,141 --> 04:11:59,354
<i>Physical horror that binds us</i>
<i>even tighter.</i>

4989
04:11:59,437 --> 04:12:03,108
- Carleton Hendricks, his alter ego,
is a completely different person.

4990
04:12:03,191 --> 04:12:05,485
<i>Bright windows in this life of ours,</i>

4991
04:12:05,568 --> 04:12:07,904
<i>lit by the shining souls of men.</i>

4992
04:12:07,987 --> 04:12:10,240
You know, he's mentally unstable,
obviously.

4993
04:12:10,323 --> 04:12:12,325
But he actually needs to be medicated.

4994
04:12:12,408 --> 04:12:15,328
<i>I haven't been afraid of anything</i>
<i>in my whole life.</i>

4995
04:12:15,411 --> 04:12:19,082
<i>Do you know why?</i>
<i>Because I wish I was dead.</i>

4996
04:12:19,165 --> 04:12:20,750
- Special effects legend Michael Burnett,

4997
04:12:20,834 --> 04:12:24,045
he did that stuff and the piercings
and all that. Took 12 hours.

4998
04:12:24,129 --> 04:12:25,964
So I would get there at midnight.

4999
04:12:26,047 --> 04:12:28,383
We'd finish at noon the next day.

5000
04:12:28,466 --> 04:12:31,094
Then we'd shoot until midnight
the next day.

5001
04:12:31,177 --> 04:12:33,263
There were times
where I was doing rewrites

5002
04:12:33,346 --> 04:12:35,932
in full Captain Howdy regalia.

5003
04:12:36,015 --> 04:12:37,600
Sitting there at the typewriter.

5004
04:12:37,684 --> 04:12:40,478
Fortunately, I had youth, and enthusiasm,

5005
04:12:40,562 --> 04:12:44,858
and also just this joy of having
something I had created

5006
04:12:44,941 --> 04:12:45,942
being brought to life.

5007
04:12:50,113 --> 04:12:51,281
<i>What a rush!</i>

5008
04:12:51,364 --> 04:12:53,992
Credit to Linda Cardellini,
a brilliant young actress

5009
04:12:54,075 --> 04:12:55,660
who was unknown at that time.

5010
04:12:55,743 --> 04:12:56,953
She's a chatterbox.

5011
04:12:57,036 --> 04:13:00,039
The toughest thing for Linda was
when she had the prosthetic on

5012
04:13:00,123 --> 04:13:02,125
and couldn't talk for a couple hours.

5013
04:13:02,208 --> 04:13:05,044
When they would open it up,
she's like, "Thank God!"

5014
04:13:07,130 --> 04:13:09,591
<i>-You.</i>
<i>-Want to play ball, Scarecrow?</i>

5015
04:13:09,674 --> 04:13:11,551
Robert Englund, when he read the script

5016
04:13:11,634 --> 04:13:14,596
and said he would be a victim
to my villain,

5017
04:13:14,679 --> 04:13:17,724
Freddy Krueger was gonna
allow himself to be tortured

5018
04:13:17,807 --> 04:13:19,767
and tormented by my bad guy.

5019
04:13:19,851 --> 04:13:21,895
When he's in the cradle,
his eyes sewn shut,

5020
04:13:21,978 --> 04:13:25,565
his mouth sewn shut,
and he just fed the fires of fear.

5021
04:13:25,648 --> 04:13:28,359
Fed the fires of fear!
Ooh, write that down.

5022
04:13:28,443 --> 04:13:29,360
Somebody write that down!

5023
04:13:29,444 --> 04:13:33,656
<i>You don't like me very much,</i>
<i>do you, Jackson?</i>

5024
04:13:33,740 --> 04:13:34,908
<i>I understand.</i>

5025
04:13:34,991 --> 04:13:37,911
The MPAA was mortified by <i>Strangeland</i>.

5026
04:13:37,994 --> 04:13:40,330
They were approving every slasher film
in the world

5027
04:13:40,413 --> 04:13:41,831
without thinking about it twice.

5028
04:13:41,915 --> 04:13:45,627
In most of the movie,
I didn't show the actual torture itself.

5029
04:13:45,710 --> 04:13:47,378
I showed the reactions.

5030
04:13:47,462 --> 04:13:49,672
<i>Strangeland</i> came out
and it just laid there.

5031
04:13:49,756 --> 04:13:51,174
It wasn't embraced.

5032
04:13:51,257 --> 04:13:52,675
People were thrown by it, if anything.

5033
04:13:52,759 --> 04:13:55,511
<i>First you dream, and then you die.</i>

5034
04:13:55,595 --> 04:13:58,514
I really thought that as ready
as I was as a horror fan

5035
04:13:58,598 --> 04:13:59,933
for something new and fresh,

5036
04:14:00,016 --> 04:14:01,726
people were going to be
all over this thing.

5037
04:14:01,809 --> 04:14:04,270
And it was like, "Oh well,
back to the drawing board."

5038
04:14:04,354 --> 04:14:08,399
And it took a little more time
before the <i>Saws,</i> and the <i>Hostels,</i>

5039
04:14:08,483 --> 04:14:11,277
and the other, you know,
torture genre movies started coming out.

5040
04:14:11,361 --> 04:14:12,654
And people started embracing it.

5041
04:14:12,737 --> 04:14:15,865
But it changed the game
for some young creators out there,

5042
04:14:15,949 --> 04:14:18,618
like James Wan and like Eli Roth

5043
04:14:18,701 --> 04:14:22,705
who were like myself, saying,
"What can we do that's different?

5044
04:14:22,789 --> 04:14:23,915
How can we change this up?"

5045
04:14:23,998 --> 04:14:27,794
<i>You know, Daddy, so Genevieve screamed.</i>

5046
04:14:29,462 --> 04:14:31,172
I've had many, many, many people tell me

5047
04:14:31,214 --> 04:14:35,009
they had their children watch
that to scare them away,

5048
04:14:35,093 --> 04:14:39,305
to make them aware of the possibilities
of the internet.

5049
04:14:39,389 --> 04:14:42,684
<i>So much flesh, so little time.</i>

5050
04:14:53,611 --> 04:14:57,573
<i>Phantasm</i> franchise,
it has had its ups and downs,

5051
04:14:57,657 --> 04:14:59,534
but as long as the Tall Man is there,

5052
04:14:59,617 --> 04:15:03,997
as long as those silver spheres
are wreaking havoc, I'm there.

5053
04:15:04,080 --> 04:15:06,624
<i>So it begins.</i>

5054
04:15:06,666 --> 04:15:10,503
This weird mishmash of horror and sci-fi,

5055
04:15:10,586 --> 04:15:13,631
what makes the <i>Phantasm</i> films
so good is that

5056
04:15:13,715 --> 04:15:16,009
they feel gritty and independent.

5057
04:15:16,092 --> 04:15:17,927
They don't need a massive budget.

5058
04:15:17,969 --> 04:15:22,015
All you need is that guy,
and the voice, and the balls.

5059
04:15:22,056 --> 04:15:25,059
You have to have the balls
if you're gonna have a <i>Phantasm</i> movie.

5060
04:15:25,143 --> 04:15:26,769
<i>You wanna get it on, Reggie.</i>

5061
04:15:29,856 --> 04:15:33,109
<i>Phantasm Oblivion</i>, or <i>Phantasm IV</i>,
it's an origin story, really.

5062
04:15:33,192 --> 04:15:34,610
Kind of.<i> Phantasm</i> style.

5063
04:15:34,694 --> 04:15:37,905
So we're gonna go back a little bit
in time through the magic of space gates

5064
04:15:37,989 --> 04:15:39,949
and we're gonna see the Tall Man
during the Civil War.

5065
04:15:40,033 --> 04:15:41,784
We're gonna see that he was
a Civil War doctor.

5066
04:15:41,868 --> 04:15:45,538
It all went bad from there.
Lesson? War is bad.

5067
04:15:47,832 --> 04:15:50,710
Filmmaking is a challenge.
It's a bit like going to war a little bit.

5068
04:15:50,793 --> 04:15:54,547
It's a battle every day.
There's many, many moving parts.

5069
04:15:54,630 --> 04:15:58,259
And to hold all those parts together
is definitely a challenge.

5070
04:15:58,343 --> 04:16:01,637
It can be thrilling, and it's super fun,
and it can be rewarding.

5071
04:16:01,721 --> 04:16:04,515
You call up your local Civil War
reenactors and like,

5072
04:16:04,599 --> 04:16:07,977
"Hey man, let's make a movie."
And they say, "Where do we show up?"

5073
04:16:08,061 --> 04:16:11,105
<i>- Where do you think you're going, boy?</i>

5074
04:16:11,189 --> 04:16:14,192
<i>There is no escape from me.</i>

5075
04:16:14,275 --> 04:16:16,444
It's nice to see Angus getting
an opportunity

5076
04:16:16,527 --> 04:16:18,696
to play not quite such a scowl.

5077
04:16:18,780 --> 04:16:20,698
<i>Have we met?</i>

5078
04:16:20,782 --> 04:16:22,033
<i>I don't believe so.</i>

5079
04:16:22,116 --> 04:16:23,242
<i>Have you traveled far?</i>

5080
04:16:23,326 --> 04:16:25,870
Don Coscarelli and I, of course,
have been making movies together

5081
04:16:25,953 --> 04:16:28,414
since 1975 roughly.

5082
04:16:28,498 --> 04:16:32,335
<i>Phantasm Oblivion</i> came around
and I wasn't particularly motivated.

5083
04:16:32,418 --> 04:16:35,838
So I said, "Well, let me produce the movie
and that'll give me some gumption."

5084
04:16:35,922 --> 04:16:37,757
I've been kind of running away
from my own acting career

5085
04:16:37,840 --> 04:16:39,425
my whole life since I started so young.

5086
04:16:39,509 --> 04:16:42,095
And for that reason,
I never, never recommend

5087
04:16:42,178 --> 04:16:44,180
that kids become professional actors.

5088
04:16:44,263 --> 04:16:46,015
I think it's a mistake, frankly.

5089
04:16:46,099 --> 04:16:48,351
<i>Oblivion</i> comes along and so now
I'm producing the film with Don

5090
04:16:48,434 --> 04:16:51,396
and he's a good teacher and we worked
pretty well together, I think.

5091
04:16:51,479 --> 04:16:55,149
Coscarelli, he saved all that
original negative from <i>Phantasm</i>.

5092
04:16:55,233 --> 04:16:59,195
It's unique in that he's able
to take these old unused pieces

5093
04:16:59,278 --> 04:17:01,656
of the original <i>Phantasm</i>
and edit them into the new story

5094
04:17:01,739 --> 04:17:05,201
in <i>Oblivion</i>, which you could say
is a cost-saving measure.

5095
04:17:05,284 --> 04:17:07,787
But also, since it's the same actors,

5096
04:17:07,870 --> 04:17:12,500
it's a pretty cool side-by-side
display of what can be done.

5097
04:17:15,002 --> 04:17:16,045
In the original <i>Phantasm</i>,

5098
04:17:16,129 --> 04:17:18,840
there was a whole two
or three nights, at least,

5099
04:17:18,923 --> 04:17:22,468
spent in Agoura, California,
shooting this hanging tree scene.

5100
04:17:25,721 --> 04:17:28,599
Why a 13-year-old is working
at 4:00 in the morning,

5101
04:17:28,683 --> 04:17:30,601
I don't know, but you know,
that's a story for another day.

5102
04:17:30,685 --> 04:17:33,396
And then none of that footage
ends up in the film.

5103
04:17:33,479 --> 04:17:34,856
<i>Cut me down, boy!</i>

5104
04:17:34,939 --> 04:17:38,693
Coscarelli's able to save that footage,
bring it back, put it into <i>Oblivion</i>,

5105
04:17:38,776 --> 04:17:41,904
tie it into the hanging scene
in the desert,

5106
04:17:41,988 --> 04:17:44,907
where adult Mike is now hanging himself,
which is pretty sad

5107
04:17:44,991 --> 04:17:47,076
when you think about it.
But it's a nice tie-in.

5108
04:17:47,160 --> 04:17:48,661
And you know, Don is smart that way.

5109
04:17:48,744 --> 04:17:50,788
"So you got some old footage,
can you make it work?

5110
04:17:50,872 --> 04:17:51,831
Can you save a few bucks?

5111
04:17:51,914 --> 04:17:53,541
Can you tie it into something
that's happening now?"

5112
04:17:53,624 --> 04:17:55,626
And it all works pretty nicely together.

5113
04:17:55,710 --> 04:17:57,295
<i>Boy!</i>

5114
04:18:00,465 --> 04:18:03,050
I remember when <i>Oblivion</i> first
came out, fans, at least,

5115
04:18:03,134 --> 04:18:06,053
were pretty blown away
by the so-called found footage.

5116
04:18:06,137 --> 04:18:09,557
Watching movies is just so different
than actually making them.

5117
04:18:09,640 --> 04:18:12,477
Oftentimes, when we look at a film
that we have worked on,

5118
04:18:12,560 --> 04:18:15,104
you know, you see the things
that went wrong that day

5119
04:18:15,188 --> 04:18:17,023
or you remember, you know, the bad lunch.

5120
04:18:19,567 --> 04:18:22,028
Or that, "Oh, that's when the movie
almost crashed and died.

5121
04:18:22,111 --> 04:18:24,489
I remember that. That was great.
That was fantastic."

5122
04:18:24,572 --> 04:18:27,575
You remember the battles
and the challenging aspects

5123
04:18:27,658 --> 04:18:31,078
of just filmmaking generally,
which is not an easy task.

5124
04:18:35,833 --> 04:18:38,002
I think the budget was about
800,000 bucks for that movie,

5125
04:18:38,085 --> 04:18:41,297
so with micro-budgets like that,
you know, small errors,

5126
04:18:41,380 --> 04:18:44,759
small mistakes, small mishaps
get big very quickly.

5127
04:18:44,842 --> 04:18:47,678
<i>He's coming for me.</i>
<i>He's gonna rip open my skull,</i>

5128
04:18:47,762 --> 04:18:49,305
<i>and there's nothing I can do about it.</i>

5129
04:18:49,388 --> 04:18:52,350
So, by the time you're looking
at that film and it's completed,

5130
04:18:52,433 --> 04:18:53,518
and the post is done, you're seeing--

5131
04:18:53,601 --> 04:18:55,394
you're watching
a first rough cut, let's say,

5132
04:18:55,478 --> 04:18:59,899
you're so relieved to not have
to be actually making the movie

5133
04:18:59,982 --> 04:19:01,359
that it all seems great.

5134
04:19:01,442 --> 04:19:03,653
'Cause you really wouldn't probably
want to go over and do it again.

5135
04:19:03,736 --> 04:19:05,196
<i>This won't hurt a bit.</i>

5136
04:19:07,448 --> 04:19:09,450
<i>Well, maybe just a little bit.</i>

5137
04:19:09,534 --> 04:19:11,869
The outlier the franchise of <i>Phantasm</i>.

5138
04:19:11,953 --> 04:19:15,456
We all love the franchise.
I personally grew up in it.

5139
04:19:15,540 --> 04:19:18,709
It's certainly gratifying that
it has had legs all these years later.

5140
04:19:18,793 --> 04:19:20,378
We certainly did not know that
was gonna happen.

5141
04:19:20,461 --> 04:19:24,173
<i>I've been waiting for you</i>
<i>a very long time.</i>

5142
04:19:31,931 --> 04:19:35,434
<i>- Bride of Chucky.</i>
<i>- ♪ It's nice day for white wedding ♪</i>

5143
04:19:35,476 --> 04:19:39,689
Films that explore the darkly humorous

5144
04:19:39,772 --> 04:19:44,026
with the hyper-violent gory,
they're very important films to me.

5145
04:19:47,321 --> 04:19:49,699
So when a film like
<i>Bride of Chucky</i> comes along,

5146
04:19:49,782 --> 04:19:51,534
"Oh, this is right up my alley."

5147
04:19:51,617 --> 04:19:55,121
Because it's dirty,
the sense of humor is raunchy,

5148
04:19:55,204 --> 04:19:56,080
it's so funny.

5149
04:19:56,163 --> 04:19:58,833
<i>-Chucky? He's so '80s.</i>
<i>-No he's not.</i>

5150
04:19:58,833 --> 04:20:00,042
<i>-He isn’t even scary.</i>
<i>-Yes, he is.</i>

5151
04:20:00,042 --> 04:20:01,627
<i>What you looking at punk? Looking at me?</i>

5152
04:20:03,754 --> 04:20:06,257
<i>Bride of Chucky</i> evolved the story.

5153
04:20:06,340 --> 04:20:10,928
Don Mancini kind of decided
to go full tilt crazy with this.

5154
04:20:11,012 --> 04:20:12,888
And there was no limitations.

5155
04:20:12,972 --> 04:20:15,683
<i>Ain't the size that counts, asshole.</i>

5156
04:20:15,766 --> 04:20:17,351
<i>It's what you do with it.</i>

5157
04:20:20,229 --> 04:20:21,480
<i>Bride of Chucky</i>,

5158
04:20:21,564 --> 04:20:25,234
we came back six years
after <i>Child's Play 3.</i>

5159
04:20:25,318 --> 04:20:28,029
The horror landscape has been changed.

5160
04:20:28,112 --> 04:20:33,284
Largely by Kevin Williamson
and his meta self-conscious spirit.

5161
04:20:33,367 --> 04:20:34,660
<i>How you been?</i>

5162
04:20:34,744 --> 04:20:37,455
<i>-Okay. You?</i>
<i>-Peachy.</i>

5163
04:20:38,122 --> 04:20:40,791
<i>Actually to tell you the truth,</i>
<i>I've been kinda out of it.</i>

5164
04:20:40,833 --> 04:20:45,296
David Kirschner who was the producer
on all of the <i>Chucky</i> movies

5165
04:20:45,379 --> 04:20:48,924
always saw the comedic potential
in Chucky.

5166
04:20:49,008 --> 04:20:50,676
We created new characters.

5167
04:20:50,760 --> 04:20:52,887
The character of Tiffany,
the bride of Chucky.

5168
04:20:52,970 --> 04:20:55,473
Charles Lee Ray's paramour back in life.

5169
04:20:55,556 --> 04:20:59,352
<i>You son of a bitch!</i>
<i>What did you do to me?</i>

5170
04:20:59,435 --> 04:21:02,021
And then we sent her
on these two new teenagers

5171
04:21:02,104 --> 04:21:04,357
played by Katherine Heigl
and Nick Stabile.

5172
04:21:04,440 --> 04:21:05,733
It was a whole new ball game.

5173
04:21:05,816 --> 04:21:07,026
<i>You know my neighbor Tiffany?</i>

5174
04:21:07,109 --> 04:21:09,487
<i>She's paying me $500</i>
<i>to take a couple of dolls</i>

5175
04:21:09,570 --> 04:21:10,696
<i>to a friend of hers in Jersey.</i>

5176
04:21:10,780 --> 04:21:14,075
I knew from the get-go that
we had to get Jennifer Tilly.

5177
04:21:14,158 --> 04:21:16,619
That she was the one person
who could really

5178
04:21:16,702 --> 04:21:18,245
knock that out of the park.

5179
04:21:18,329 --> 04:21:21,874
The studio didn't want to pay for her
so David Kirschner and I

5180
04:21:21,957 --> 04:21:24,460
pooled together our own money to get her.

5181
04:21:24,543 --> 04:21:26,671
And we have never regretted that.

5182
04:21:26,754 --> 04:21:29,382
<i>Barbie, eat your heart out.</i>

5183
04:21:29,465 --> 04:21:34,011
- Tiffany is her own woman.
Plastic or otherwise.

5184
04:21:34,095 --> 04:21:35,971
Gives Chucky a run for his money.

5185
04:21:36,055 --> 04:21:39,016
God's sake, Chucky,
drag yourself into the '90s.

5186
04:21:39,100 --> 04:21:41,143
Stabbings went out with Bundy and Dahmer.

5187
04:21:41,227 --> 04:21:43,521
You look like Martha Stewart
with that thing.

5188
04:21:43,604 --> 04:21:48,150
I love the fact that even
a homicidal maniacal

5189
04:21:48,234 --> 04:21:52,363
reincarnated serial killer as a doll
needs a little lovin', too.

5190
04:21:52,446 --> 04:21:55,491
<i>Tiffany, will you be my bride?</i>

5191
04:21:55,574 --> 04:21:58,494
<i>Oh, Chucky. Yes.</i>

5192
04:21:58,577 --> 04:22:03,666
How fun is this movie?
We get a doll on doll sex scene.

5193
04:22:03,749 --> 04:22:08,671
Kind of illustrates the vibe of this movie
and where the franchise, whoo, veers off

5194
04:22:08,796 --> 04:22:11,549
and goes in a completely different
direction beginning with Bride.

5195
04:22:11,632 --> 04:22:14,135
<i>-Have I got a rubber?</i>
<i>-Yeah.</i>

5196
04:22:14,218 --> 04:22:15,386
<i>-Tiff.</i>
<i>-What?</i>

5197
04:22:15,469 --> 04:22:17,680
<i>- Look at me. I'm all rubber.</i>

5198
04:22:17,763 --> 04:22:22,768
Ronnie Yu was suggested to us by my agent

5199
04:22:22,852 --> 04:22:24,311
at the time at Gersh.

5200
04:22:24,395 --> 04:22:27,356
Because of the camp and the comedy,

5201
04:22:27,440 --> 04:22:31,736
we knew that its visual presentation
needed to be stylized.

5202
04:22:31,819 --> 04:22:34,780
There was some pushback
from the studio about that.

5203
04:22:34,864 --> 04:22:38,325
I think it was reinvigorating
for the <i>Chucky </i>franchise.

5204
04:22:44,915 --> 04:22:46,709
<i>Bride of Chucky,</i>
I could take quite a different

5205
04:22:46,792 --> 04:22:50,546
point of view some strange little voices,
you know, "Ooh, ooh."

5206
04:22:50,629 --> 04:22:52,506
That sort of weird stuff.

5207
04:22:52,590 --> 04:22:54,675
Whatever was in the bag
we'll see how that works.

5208
04:22:54,759 --> 04:22:56,343
It's certainly the one
that I hear most people

5209
04:22:56,427 --> 04:22:58,095
enjoy the most out of the franchise.

5210
04:22:58,179 --> 04:23:00,598
<i>Life sure is full of surprises.</i>

5211
04:23:02,850 --> 04:23:05,561
- It's always quite fun to write,
you know, to set up a scare

5212
04:23:05,644 --> 04:23:07,271
or the red herring, where everybody thinks

5213
04:23:07,354 --> 04:23:08,981
it's about to be a scare,
but actually it isn't.

5214
04:23:09,064 --> 04:23:11,275
It comes about two seconds later.

5215
04:23:11,358 --> 04:23:12,777
I love that about the genre.

5216
04:23:14,904 --> 04:23:17,573
The "Franken-Chucky look" as we called it.

5217
04:23:17,656 --> 04:23:21,368
I think I just wanted
to give Chucky damage

5218
04:23:21,452 --> 04:23:23,621
to his face in different ways.

5219
04:23:23,704 --> 04:23:28,334
I think it's fun to give him
a new look for every era.

5220
04:23:28,417 --> 04:23:32,046
I spend an unholy amount of time
thinking about Chucky.

5221
04:23:32,129 --> 04:23:36,217
So I have all kinds of concepts
for characters, and kills,

5222
04:23:36,300 --> 04:23:39,762
and situations that are just filed away.

5223
04:23:39,845 --> 04:23:42,807
There is, I think, an implied humor

5224
04:23:42,890 --> 04:23:46,602
when that kind of grandiose violence
is committed

5225
04:23:46,685 --> 04:23:48,145
by this little doll.

5226
04:23:50,940 --> 04:23:56,111
He just like, instigates
these kind of Rube Goldberg situations.

5227
04:23:56,195 --> 04:23:57,238
<i>Now!</i>

5228
04:24:00,950 --> 04:24:03,244
Why does that look so familiar?

5229
04:24:03,327 --> 04:24:07,957
He and Tiffany in that movie
have a kind of competition going on.

5230
04:24:08,040 --> 04:24:10,251
You know, like,
"How can we one-up ourselves?"

5231
04:24:10,334 --> 04:24:13,504
<i>Now that's the work</i>
<i>of a true homicidal genius.</i>

5232
04:24:13,587 --> 04:24:16,382
<i>Not bad for an amateur.</i>

5233
04:24:16,465 --> 04:24:19,176
The whole experience
of <i>Bride of Chucky</i> was great.

5234
04:24:19,260 --> 04:24:20,344
It was very positive.

5235
04:24:20,427 --> 04:24:24,390
It was one of those movies
where everything went right.

5236
04:24:24,473 --> 04:24:28,519
I sort of came into my own
as a writer with that script.

5237
04:24:28,602 --> 04:24:30,855
<i>- I wonder if all the plumbing works.</i>

5238
04:24:30,938 --> 04:24:32,857
<i>Well, I don't know about you,</i>

5239
04:24:32,940 --> 04:24:35,693
<i>but I'm starting to feel like</i>
<i>Pinocchio here.</i>

5240
04:24:35,734 --> 04:24:39,530
It was great working with Jennifer Tilly
for the first time.

5241
04:24:39,572 --> 04:24:40,531
I didn't know it at the time

5242
04:24:40,614 --> 04:24:42,116
that she would become
one of my best friends

5243
04:24:42,199 --> 04:24:45,953
and one of my biggest
working colleagues still to this day.

5244
04:24:46,036 --> 04:24:48,622
And I think that the studio
unlike with <i>Child's Play 3</i>,

5245
04:24:48,706 --> 04:24:50,708
you know, they were very behind the movie,

5246
04:24:50,791 --> 04:24:54,420
and I think they did a great job
marketing it and selling it.

5247
04:24:54,503 --> 04:24:56,380
It was a swell experience.

5248
04:24:56,463 --> 04:25:00,384
<i>Well, at least you haven't forgotten</i>
<i>how to show a girl a good time.</i>

5249
04:25:06,265 --> 04:25:10,102
<i>- From the master of terror</i>
<i>comes a new breed of evil.</i>

5250
04:25:10,185 --> 04:25:12,730
<i>John Carpenter's Vampires.</i>

5251
04:25:12,813 --> 04:25:15,482
Perhaps, the last kick-ass
John Carpenter movie

5252
04:25:15,566 --> 04:25:17,610
that just does not get enough love
these days.

5253
04:25:17,693 --> 04:25:18,903
<i>I'm not giving a thumbs up.</i>

5254
04:25:18,986 --> 04:25:22,990
<i>I'll concede that it could be considered</i>
<i>in some circles as a guilty pleasure.</i>

5255
04:25:23,073 --> 04:25:24,491
<i>Oh, he's getting close</i>

5256
04:25:24,575 --> 04:25:25,743
<i>-to agreeing with me.</i>
<i>-Yeah, but uh…</i>

5257
04:25:25,826 --> 04:25:28,537
What would happen if you really
find a nest of vampires?

5258
04:25:28,621 --> 04:25:32,374
John Carpenter's <i>Vampires</i> is set
in the New Mexican desert.

5259
04:25:32,458 --> 04:25:33,584
<i>How's it look?</i>

5260
04:25:33,667 --> 04:25:35,711
<i>Like another New Mexican shithole.</i>

5261
04:25:35,794 --> 04:25:37,046
<i>Perfect spot for a nest.</i>

5262
04:25:37,129 --> 04:25:41,216
The master vampire, Valek,
has come up out of the earth

5263
04:25:41,300 --> 04:25:45,888
with his minions and is ruling
the town of Santiago.

5264
04:25:48,223 --> 04:25:52,895
James Woods leads a group
of vampire hunters

5265
04:25:52,978 --> 04:25:55,689
who are every bit as tough
as the vampires.

5266
04:25:55,773 --> 04:25:58,233
The good guy gang versus the bad guy gang.

5267
04:25:58,317 --> 04:26:00,611
It was like an old western.

5268
04:26:02,863 --> 04:26:05,491
Vampires I thought
was an interesting idea.

5269
04:26:05,574 --> 04:26:06,617
I adapted it.

5270
04:26:06,700 --> 04:26:11,080
I was in my western
Peckinpah Robert Aldrich mood

5271
04:26:11,163 --> 04:26:12,081
when I made that.

5272
04:26:12,164 --> 04:26:17,294
Felt like New Mexico really made
that western edge come out for us.

5273
04:26:17,378 --> 04:26:20,214
It was a great one of those
creeping around the corners

5274
04:26:20,297 --> 04:26:22,049
and boo kind of deals.

5275
04:26:24,218 --> 04:26:25,177
<i>Now fire!</i>

5276
04:26:26,637 --> 04:26:29,890
Well, they were rats in my movie.
They were hiding in the dark.

5277
04:26:29,974 --> 04:26:31,392
And then you bring 'em out in the light.

5278
04:26:31,475 --> 04:26:32,810
<i>-There!</i>
<i>-Stake her!</i>

5279
04:26:36,146 --> 04:26:37,564
<i>Montoya, we got a fish! Go!</i>

5280
04:26:37,648 --> 04:26:39,316
It's kind of my favorite thing
in the movie was

5281
04:26:39,400 --> 04:26:41,819
where we drag out the dummies
and the stunt guys

5282
04:26:41,902 --> 04:26:44,363
and they would ignite in flames
screaming and everything.

5283
04:26:44,446 --> 04:26:45,990
<i>Enjoy the barbecue, baby.</i>

5284
04:26:47,449 --> 04:26:50,661
So we had a lot of crossover
with stunts and pyro.

5285
04:26:52,329 --> 04:26:57,209
I got to do some of the unusual casting
with James Woods as an action hero.

5286
04:26:57,292 --> 04:26:58,919
He longed to do that.

5287
04:26:59,003 --> 04:27:03,382
He was a challenging actor for a guy,
but I got along with him real well.

5288
04:27:03,465 --> 04:27:06,093
You can't ever tell James Woods
what to do.

5289
04:27:06,176 --> 04:27:09,054
He's gonna do what he does.
But you can kind of corral him.

5290
04:27:09,138 --> 04:27:12,016
He did some scenes
that were just completely improv,

5291
04:27:12,099 --> 04:27:13,350
but they were so wonderful.

5292
04:27:13,434 --> 04:27:16,103
<i>He's going to start receiving</i>
<i>his thoughts, seeing what he sees.</i>

5293
04:27:16,186 --> 04:27:17,062
<i>Exactly.</i>

5294
04:27:17,146 --> 04:27:19,773
<i>So we can find him</i>
<i>and shove a stake right up his ass.</i>

5295
04:27:19,857 --> 04:27:23,736
I'm really happy with the result
and it was worth every second of it.

5296
04:27:24,778 --> 04:27:27,364
<i>You never told me they could do that.</i>
<i>I didn't know they could do that.</i>

5297
04:27:27,448 --> 04:27:30,159
I felt like we really scored
on the casting.

5298
04:27:30,242 --> 04:27:34,580
Thomas Ian Griffith
had all the sensuality and sexiness

5299
04:27:34,663 --> 04:27:36,790
you want in a master vampire.

5300
04:27:36,874 --> 04:27:41,962
I really loved the really sexy scene
between Thomas Ian Griffith and Sheryl Lee

5301
04:27:42,046 --> 04:27:45,299
when it's like really a seduction scene
when he goes after her.

5302
04:27:45,382 --> 04:27:47,634
<i>Doesn't it feel beautiful?</i>

5303
04:27:47,718 --> 04:27:49,553
<i>Something you'll never forget.</i>

5304
04:27:49,636 --> 04:27:52,473
Sheryl Lee is an awesome individual.
I loved her.

5305
04:27:52,556 --> 04:27:57,269
It depends on the actor
whether or not I struggle in naked scenes.

5306
04:27:57,352 --> 04:28:00,189
I take their guide,
because I'm just appreciative

5307
04:28:00,272 --> 04:28:01,231
that they do it.

5308
04:28:01,315 --> 04:28:04,276
I was happy that Sheryl did it for me.

5309
04:28:04,359 --> 04:28:07,738
She said, "Is it necessary?"
I said, "Yes", and she was right with it.

5310
04:28:07,821 --> 04:28:10,949
<i>- A master vampire has a telepathic link</i>
<i>with his victims.</i>

5311
04:28:11,033 --> 04:28:12,076
<i>You're gonna help us find them.</i>

5312
04:28:12,159 --> 04:28:16,038
You had these rowdy vampire slayers
who are partying

5313
04:28:16,121 --> 04:28:17,831
with a bunch of hookers in a motel.

5314
04:28:17,915 --> 04:28:19,792
We give you the salaciousness.

5315
04:28:19,875 --> 04:28:21,376
<i>Tell the lady what we do for a living.</i>

5316
04:28:21,460 --> 04:28:25,255
<i>Kill vampires. Hunt 'em down.</i>
<i>Kick the shit out of 'em.</i>

5317
04:28:25,339 --> 04:28:29,259
The massacre at the motel was fun largely,

5318
04:28:29,343 --> 04:28:33,639
because Mark Boone Jr.
got completely freaked out

5319
04:28:33,722 --> 04:28:38,143
by his double that KNB had made
that got split in half.

5320
04:28:42,106 --> 04:28:45,734
You know, where he would look over at it
and just kind of go, "Whoa."

5321
04:28:45,818 --> 04:28:49,029
We did this really cool dummy
that's there for a moment

5322
04:28:49,113 --> 04:28:52,032
and then it just kind of peels
into two sections.

5323
04:28:54,243 --> 04:28:56,286
- He was just like, "Damn."

5324
04:28:57,412 --> 04:28:59,790
And that was actually the scene
that was being shot

5325
04:28:59,873 --> 04:29:04,128
when we got into the super-soaker fight
full of blood all over the set.

5326
04:29:11,176 --> 04:29:13,512
Those were all spirited actors.

5327
04:29:13,595 --> 04:29:15,472
That's about as far as I can go
with that one.

5328
04:29:15,556 --> 04:29:18,642
Everybody has a good time.
These are old rock and rollers, man.

5329
04:29:18,725 --> 04:29:21,395
It's hard to keep up with them
when you're a young guy

5330
04:29:21,478 --> 04:29:22,771
like I was at the time.

5331
04:29:22,855 --> 04:29:26,191
Man, can they party. Whew. Lord.

5332
04:29:26,275 --> 04:29:29,027
<i>Okay, boys. Time to mop it up.</i>

5333
04:29:35,117 --> 04:29:37,619
<i>- Mother! Oh God! Mother!</i>

5334
04:29:40,497 --> 04:29:44,042
Gus Van Sant makes <i>Good Will Hunting</i>,
which is a fantastically great movie.

5335
04:29:44,126 --> 04:29:45,961
Wins Oscars. Everybody's happy.

5336
04:29:46,044 --> 04:29:47,546
He's the toast of the town.

5337
04:29:47,629 --> 04:29:50,090
Next thing you know,
"What do you want to do next, Gus?"

5338
04:29:50,174 --> 04:29:52,342
And so he decides to make a shot-for-shot,

5339
04:29:52,426 --> 04:29:55,762
cut-for-cut remake of <i>Psycho</i>
of all movies.

5340
04:30:00,851 --> 04:30:02,561
Why remake <i>Psycho</i>, Gus?

5341
04:30:02,644 --> 04:30:05,981
<i>- I won't have you bringing</i>
<i>strange young girls in for supper</i>

5342
04:30:06,064 --> 04:30:09,902
<i>in the cheap erotic fashion of young men</i>
<i>with cheap erotic minds.</i>

5343
04:30:09,985 --> 04:30:11,153
<i>- Shut up!</i>

5344
04:30:11,236 --> 04:30:14,823
When you take a part of something
and you use it a little differently,

5345
04:30:14,907 --> 04:30:18,327
it's still a creative choice
that is different

5346
04:30:18,410 --> 04:30:20,746
from the thing you're stealing it from.

5347
04:30:20,829 --> 04:30:22,748
I understand that it was kind
of an art project,

5348
04:30:22,831 --> 04:30:25,292
but I just think it's so hard
to get movies made.

5349
04:30:25,375 --> 04:30:28,170
So if you have that golden ticket
to do anything,

5350
04:30:28,253 --> 04:30:30,839
do not waste it on remaking a masterpiece.

5351
04:30:30,923 --> 04:30:33,717
<i>- It's not as if she were a maniac</i>
<i>or a raving thing.</i>

5352
04:30:33,800 --> 04:30:36,011
<i>She just goes a little mad sometimes.</i>

5353
04:30:36,094 --> 04:30:37,804
<i>We all go a little mad sometimes.</i>

5354
04:30:38,889 --> 04:30:42,976
In 1960, when they made <i>Psycho</i>,
the original <i>Psycho</i>,

5355
04:30:43,060 --> 04:30:46,605
if you take that dialogue
exactly the way it was,

5356
04:30:46,688 --> 04:30:49,316
it doesn't work in modern actors' voices.

5357
04:30:49,399 --> 04:30:52,569
It just sounds funny,
sounds stilted, fake.

5358
04:30:52,653 --> 04:30:55,739
Taking the original script and redoing it,

5359
04:30:55,822 --> 04:30:57,366
it just didn't work for me.

5360
04:30:57,449 --> 04:30:58,533
<i>Do you have a vacancy?</i>

5361
04:30:58,617 --> 04:31:02,871
<i>Oh, we have 12 in fact.</i>
<i>12 cabins. 12 vacancies.</i>

5362
04:31:02,955 --> 04:31:04,915
It does have a great cast.
The performances are good.

5363
04:31:04,998 --> 04:31:07,084
Everybody's doing a great job.
These are all super pro people.

5364
04:31:07,125 --> 04:31:08,043
They know what to do.

5365
04:31:08,126 --> 04:31:11,004
<i>'Cause I've been to so many motels,</i>
<i>my eyes are blurry with the neon.</i>

5366
04:31:11,088 --> 04:31:13,632
<i>But you know, this is</i>
<i>the first one that looks like</i>

5367
04:31:13,715 --> 04:31:15,050
<i>it's hiding from the world.</i>

5368
04:31:15,133 --> 04:31:17,219
Almost a shot-for-shot remake.

5369
04:31:17,302 --> 04:31:19,721
A lot of people are very dismissive of it.

5370
04:31:19,805 --> 04:31:23,100
I find it very interesting
as an experiment,

5371
04:31:23,183 --> 04:31:25,269
and so I'm glad that it exists.

5372
04:31:25,352 --> 04:31:27,145
Every experiment has some value.

5373
04:31:27,229 --> 04:31:32,067
That Gus Van Sant did this experiment
on Universal's dime is kind of awesome.

5374
04:31:32,150 --> 04:31:34,069
I fully respect that grift.

5375
04:31:34,152 --> 04:31:36,363
<i>-Anyone at home?</i>
<i>-There's someone sitting up in the window.</i>

5376
04:31:36,446 --> 04:31:37,781
<i>Oh, that's my mother.</i>

5377
04:31:37,864 --> 04:31:40,367
<i>She's an-- an in-- invalid.</i>

5378
04:31:40,450 --> 04:31:44,413
For some reason, horror films are probably
the most remade films of any genre.

5379
04:31:44,496 --> 04:31:46,915
The good remakes are very innovative.

5380
04:31:46,999 --> 04:31:51,253
They work, because they
in no way imitate the original.

5381
04:31:51,336 --> 04:31:53,797
<i>- Norman Bates no longer exists.</i>

5382
04:31:53,880 --> 04:31:55,590
<i>He only half existed to begin with.</i>

5383
04:31:55,674 --> 04:31:58,593
<i>Now, the other half has taken over.</i>

5384
04:31:58,677 --> 04:32:00,053
Looking at the <i>Psycho</i> remake now,

5385
04:32:00,137 --> 04:32:04,141
it feels like a kind of satirical
commentary on remake culture.

5386
04:32:04,224 --> 04:32:05,517
And I think it has value.

5387
04:32:05,600 --> 04:32:10,272
If the <i>Psycho</i> remake came at the end
of the remake cycle of the 2000s,

5388
04:32:10,355 --> 04:32:13,650
it would be a brilliant commentary
on that cycle.

5389
04:32:13,734 --> 04:32:14,901
But it's first.

5390
04:32:14,985 --> 04:32:17,654
So, in a weird way, in '98,
we didn't know what to do with it.

5391
04:32:17,738 --> 04:32:20,615
<i>Don't you go out?</i>
<i>W-- with friends?</i>

5392
04:32:20,699 --> 04:32:22,576
<i>Uh, a boy's best friend's his mother.</i>

5393
04:32:22,659 --> 04:32:26,038
I strongly support the remaking of movies
that have good premises,

5394
04:32:26,121 --> 04:32:27,873
but were not fully realized
the first time.

5395
04:32:27,956 --> 04:32:30,167
The ones that had promise,
but what they always do

5396
04:32:30,250 --> 04:32:32,544
is remake the films that
they did get right the first time.

5397
04:32:35,422 --> 04:32:36,673
You can show this to film students
and say,

5398
04:32:36,757 --> 04:32:38,383
"This is what they said
they were going to do.

5399
04:32:38,467 --> 04:32:39,968
They said they were gonna do
a shot for shot remake

5400
04:32:40,052 --> 04:32:42,304
and each shot will be the same length
and this and that,

5401
04:32:42,387 --> 04:32:44,014
but everything else
they're going to try to change."

5402
04:32:44,097 --> 04:32:47,142
So it's garishly colorful
where the original wasn't.

5403
04:32:47,225 --> 04:32:48,477
The costumes are all different.

5404
04:32:48,560 --> 04:32:50,812
Anything that doesn't adhere
to the thing they said

5405
04:32:50,896 --> 04:32:52,230
they were going to do, they go wildly

5406
04:32:52,314 --> 04:32:55,359
in another direction just to see
how that would play.

5407
04:32:59,446 --> 04:33:02,908
Norman Bates is peeping through
the peephole at Anne Heche

5408
04:33:02,991 --> 04:33:05,285
and he's now masturbating.

5409
04:33:05,369 --> 04:33:07,621
I'm pretty sure that's not
in the Hitchcock's version.

5410
04:33:07,746 --> 04:33:10,791
Why did they break the rule for that?
I don't know.

5411
04:33:10,874 --> 04:33:13,251
I think they were sitting around
the campfire and you know,

5412
04:33:13,335 --> 04:33:15,504
"I know what we'll do next.
This is gonna be great."

5413
04:33:17,214 --> 04:33:21,385
I remember actively wondering and thinking

5414
04:33:21,468 --> 04:33:25,764
if they were going to really pull
the rug out from under the audience

5415
04:33:25,847 --> 04:33:28,809
and when they get to the big scene,
the shower scene,

5416
04:33:28,892 --> 04:33:30,310
that it would take a turn.

5417
04:33:30,394 --> 04:33:34,314
Literally like something like Marion
would kill Norman or something.

5418
04:33:34,398 --> 04:33:36,817
And I remember thinking,
"I hope they fucking do that."

5419
04:33:36,900 --> 04:33:38,402
When, of course, they didn't.

5420
04:33:43,240 --> 04:33:46,118
Watching Gus Van Sant's <i>Psycho</i> remake
is a good way

5421
04:33:46,159 --> 04:33:48,662
to learn why the original is so good.

5422
04:33:48,745 --> 04:33:50,664
Watching it after watching the remake,

5423
04:33:50,747 --> 04:33:52,624
it kind of wakes up your brain
to the choices

5424
04:33:52,707 --> 04:33:54,209
that are happening in the original.

5425
04:33:56,378 --> 04:33:59,506
There are some films that should
just be left alone,

5426
04:33:59,589 --> 04:34:04,302
because they exist within the space
and time that they were created.

5427
04:34:04,386 --> 04:34:05,679
That's the way I look at it.

5428
04:34:05,762 --> 04:34:09,474
And in some cases,
they were just created by masters

5429
04:34:09,558 --> 04:34:12,060
that should be fucking left alone.

5430
04:34:12,144 --> 04:34:13,270
<i>Mrs. Bates.</i>

5431
04:34:18,275 --> 04:34:20,277
I really think that
that was a cautionary tale

5432
04:34:20,318 --> 04:34:22,612
for anyone who has tremendous success

5433
04:34:22,696 --> 04:34:24,990
and can do whatever they want
to do and waste it.

5434
04:34:25,073 --> 04:34:27,868
And I'm sorry, Gus Van Sant, 'cause
I think he's a very, very gifted filmmaker

5435
04:34:27,951 --> 04:34:31,079
but I think that was a--
on every possible level,

5436
04:34:31,163 --> 04:34:34,207
a complete failure
and thank God, it failed,

5437
04:34:34,291 --> 04:34:36,334
because if it hadn't,
we would have had to have sat through

5438
04:34:36,418 --> 04:34:38,670
a shot by shot remake
of every successful horror film

5439
04:34:38,753 --> 04:34:39,963
starting with <i>The Exorcist</i>.

5440
04:34:40,046 --> 04:34:43,008
<i>- Why she wouldn't even harm a fly.</i>

5441
04:34:54,811 --> 04:34:55,896
<i>- The Faculty.</i>

5442
04:34:55,979 --> 04:34:59,900
<i>The Faculty </i>is another thunderclap
of the '90s

5443
04:34:59,983 --> 04:35:02,611
in the teen-slasher cycle.

5444
04:35:07,699 --> 04:35:11,703
Written by Kevin Williamson
and directed by Robert Rodriguez,

5445
04:35:11,786 --> 04:35:15,582
it deals in a high school milieu
with a lot of the conventional

5446
04:35:15,665 --> 04:35:16,917
high-schooler tropes.

5447
04:35:17,000 --> 04:35:18,335
You've got the outsider,

5448
04:35:18,418 --> 04:35:20,837
and the nerd, and the jock
and the druggie.

5449
04:35:20,921 --> 04:35:23,423
But they all come together when the school

5450
04:35:23,507 --> 04:35:26,551
is becoming overrun by an alien life form

5451
04:35:26,635 --> 04:35:29,596
that's just infecting everybody
and turning them

5452
04:35:29,679 --> 04:35:31,932
into tentacle creatures.

5453
04:35:32,015 --> 04:35:34,684
<i>No fucking way.</i>

5454
04:35:34,768 --> 04:35:38,438
A fantastic film,
part <i>Invasion of the Body Snatchers</i>

5455
04:35:38,522 --> 04:35:41,691
and also a John Hughes high-school flick.

5456
04:35:41,775 --> 04:35:43,610
It was all of the hot teen actors.

5457
04:35:43,693 --> 04:35:45,904
Josh Hartnett, Elijah Wood, Clea DuVall.

5458
04:35:45,987 --> 04:35:49,074
So it was kind of like the '90s
Brat Pack horror movie.

5459
04:35:53,703 --> 04:35:55,914
- And that was something
we kind of all felt

5460
04:35:55,997 --> 04:35:57,082
in high school, I think.

5461
04:35:57,165 --> 04:35:59,459
That most of your teachers were aliens.

5462
04:35:59,501 --> 04:36:00,377
At least, I did.

5463
04:36:00,418 --> 04:36:03,672
<i>Good morning, Mrs. Olsen.</i>
<i>You look very, very pretty today.</i>

5464
04:36:03,755 --> 04:36:06,466
The metaphor going on
in <i>The Faculty</i>, I think,

5465
04:36:06,550 --> 04:36:07,968
is really clever.

5466
04:36:08,051 --> 04:36:11,054
They say a lot about
high school conformity.

5467
04:36:11,137 --> 04:36:14,933
I really love how the plot
involves these kids

5468
04:36:15,016 --> 04:36:16,560
stepping out of their comfort zone.

5469
04:36:16,643 --> 04:36:20,730
<i>Man, the only person in this school</i>
<i>who's an alien is you, man.</i>

5470
04:36:20,814 --> 04:36:21,898
<i>Fuck you, Zeke.</i>

5471
04:36:21,982 --> 04:36:26,528
This film also had a tremendous tie-in
with Tommy Hilfiger,

5472
04:36:26,611 --> 04:36:29,406
where they were appearing
in these fashion ads.

5473
04:36:29,489 --> 04:36:31,491
It was a real pop culture phenomenon.

5474
04:36:31,575 --> 04:36:33,577
<i>Tommy Jeans make a scene!</i>

5475
04:36:34,703 --> 04:36:36,496
<i>The Faculty</i> for me was like a movie

5476
04:36:36,580 --> 04:36:38,790
where I could apply
all of my horror knowledge.

5477
04:36:38,873 --> 04:36:40,333
I knew what the movie was doing

5478
04:36:40,417 --> 04:36:42,836
and I felt like superior
to my friends in that, like,

5479
04:36:42,919 --> 04:36:44,754
"<i>This is Invasion of the Body Snatchers</i>.

5480
04:36:44,838 --> 04:36:48,717
And hey, that scene
is like a direct homage

5481
04:36:48,800 --> 04:36:51,636
to the test scene
in John Carpenter's <i>The Thing</i>."

5482
04:36:52,971 --> 04:36:53,972
<i>Easy, boy.</i>

5483
04:36:54,014 --> 04:36:55,181
<i>- What about you, Zeke?</i>

5484
04:36:55,265 --> 04:36:56,850
<i>How do we know you're not</i>
<i>one of those fucking things?</i>

5485
04:36:56,933 --> 04:36:59,227
For me, that was like,
"Alright, we can all pull

5486
04:36:59,311 --> 04:37:00,937
from the horror movies
that influenced us",

5487
04:37:01,021 --> 04:37:02,439
which I continue to do today.

5488
04:37:02,522 --> 04:37:06,276
<i>There's nowhere to go.</i>
<i>Nowhere to hide.</i>

5489
04:37:06,359 --> 04:37:09,487
<i>-We're everywhere.</i>
<i>-I'll fucking shoot her.</i>

5490
04:37:09,571 --> 04:37:12,699
It's about the suspense,
and for me, it's about the lead-up.

5491
04:37:12,782 --> 04:37:15,118
I'm more into like creature films,
like <i>The Faculty</i>,

5492
04:37:15,201 --> 04:37:17,787
are over just straight-up gore films.

5493
04:37:17,871 --> 04:37:20,123
Robert's an interesting guy.
I really liked him a lot.

5494
04:37:20,206 --> 04:37:22,751
I had a studio in Santa Monica,
and he would come by,

5495
04:37:22,834 --> 04:37:24,794
and he'd listen to stuff.
He loved everything.

5496
04:37:29,424 --> 04:37:31,593
And then when we were scoring,
he's sitting on the back,

5497
04:37:31,676 --> 04:37:32,594
noodling on his guitar.

5498
04:37:32,677 --> 04:37:35,930
I didn't do any Spanish guitar
type stuff at all for that score.

5499
04:37:36,014 --> 04:37:39,434
Any of that-- those choices
were all made by him after the score.

5500
04:37:41,102 --> 04:37:42,479
<i>- Oh, come on!</i>

5501
04:37:42,562 --> 04:37:46,149
<i>♪ We don't need no thought control ♪</i>

5502
04:37:46,232 --> 04:37:48,985
In <i>The Faculty</i>, they did covers
of a lot of songs.

5503
04:37:49,069 --> 04:37:51,321
Alice Cooper, for instance,
a sign of the times.

5504
04:37:51,404 --> 04:37:53,990
<i>- Creed, Soul Asylum, and more.</i>

5505
04:37:54,074 --> 04:37:56,076
<i>The Faculty, in stores now.</i>

5506
04:37:56,159 --> 04:37:57,661
The soundtrack is banging

5507
04:37:57,744 --> 04:38:00,372
and the special effects
are absolutely incredible.

5508
04:38:07,462 --> 04:38:11,716
We did what was kind of the last
big animatronic monster, I believe.

5509
04:38:11,800 --> 04:38:13,259
<i>Run!</i>

5510
04:38:13,343 --> 04:38:17,430
- Big computer-controlled
slave system puppeteered rigs

5511
04:38:17,514 --> 04:38:18,515
that were hydraulic,

5512
04:38:18,598 --> 04:38:20,600
and it took a lot of work
and cost a lot of money.

5513
04:38:20,684 --> 04:38:23,311
And I thought it blended seamlessly
with the CG.

5514
04:38:26,856 --> 04:38:29,067
Every movie had to have everything CGI,

5515
04:38:29,150 --> 04:38:31,277
and that was it on
any of the big monsters.

5516
04:38:34,614 --> 04:38:36,408
It's hard to watch <i>The Faculty</i>

5517
04:38:36,491 --> 04:38:39,285
after you've seen <i>The Puppet Masters</i>
in theaters a few years before,

5518
04:38:39,369 --> 04:38:41,496
so it's <i>Scream</i>-<i>Puppet Masters?</i>

5519
04:38:44,916 --> 04:38:46,209
<i>I always wanted to do that.</i>

5520
04:38:46,292 --> 04:38:48,420
Later on, as you grow older
and you're not you know,

5521
04:38:48,503 --> 04:38:50,964
a 20-something dorkish
video store clerk, you go,

5522
04:38:51,047 --> 04:38:54,384
"That's actually a really cool mix-up.
Like that was actually pretty rad."

5523
04:38:54,467 --> 04:38:56,678
<i>Report to the principal's office.</i>

5524
04:38:57,387 --> 04:39:02,976
LEFT-HANGING:
UNMADE '90S HORROR PROJECTS

5525
04:39:03,059 --> 04:39:05,645
I have a permanent office
in development hell.

5526
04:39:05,687 --> 04:39:06,771
That's where I live.

5527
04:39:06,855 --> 04:39:08,940
It's really come to a point
where horror films

5528
04:39:09,023 --> 04:39:11,568
almost, by definition,
have to be low-budget.

5529
04:39:11,651 --> 04:39:14,154
Because there is a dedicated audience
for horror film,

5530
04:39:14,237 --> 04:39:16,364
but it's not a four-quadrant audience.

5531
04:39:16,448 --> 04:39:20,577
Your grandmother, your little sister,
may not want to see a horror film.

5532
04:39:20,660 --> 04:39:24,038
And so,
that's why development hell exists,

5533
04:39:24,122 --> 04:39:25,749
especially for people like me.

5534
04:39:25,832 --> 04:39:29,419
Because we're trying to do things
that are not for everybody.

5535
04:39:29,502 --> 04:39:31,045
And we're trying to convince
the money people

5536
04:39:31,129 --> 04:39:33,548
that they're for more people
than maybe they think they are.

5537
04:39:33,631 --> 04:39:35,759
<i>I don't see anything less than a miracle.</i>

5538
04:39:38,553 --> 04:39:40,764
One of the things that prepares you
for writing horror

5539
04:39:40,847 --> 04:39:43,183
is experiencing the horror of Hollywood.

5540
04:39:43,266 --> 04:39:46,436
You know, David Puttnam once said,
"You haven't really been to Hollywood

5541
04:39:46,519 --> 04:39:49,939
unless you've curled up in a
ball crying in a hotel room.

5542
04:39:53,526 --> 04:39:57,238
<i>Creature from the Black Lagoon</i>
was one that we were developing

5543
04:39:57,322 --> 04:40:01,326
for Universal right around the time
they were shooting <i>Jurassic Park</i>.

5544
04:40:01,409 --> 04:40:05,413
At the time,
it was felt that genre pictures

5545
04:40:05,497 --> 04:40:08,917
only made money if they were
made for $15 million or less.

5546
04:40:09,000 --> 04:40:12,796
I think the greatest thing
with Universal classic monsters is

5547
04:40:12,879 --> 04:40:14,339
they're not the monster.

5548
04:40:14,422 --> 04:40:15,340
They're the victim.

5549
04:40:15,423 --> 04:40:18,343
You can always tell who isn't a horror fan

5550
04:40:18,426 --> 04:40:22,222
by whether they try
and make the monster the monster

5551
04:40:22,305 --> 04:40:23,723
instead of the victim

5552
04:40:23,807 --> 04:40:25,934
and that we're the monster
for going after 'em.

5553
04:40:29,354 --> 04:40:31,481
This is hand-painted
and done by Rick Baker.

5554
04:40:31,564 --> 04:40:32,649
It's beautiful.

5555
04:40:32,732 --> 04:40:34,484
This is what the creature
would have looked like.

5556
04:40:34,567 --> 04:40:36,611
I brought this in to show Tom Pollock,

5557
04:40:36,694 --> 04:40:39,197
president of Universal,
along with the budget

5558
04:40:39,280 --> 04:40:42,367
and he had already read the script
and it was coming in

5559
04:40:42,450 --> 04:40:45,912
at about $25 or $30 million,
because it was an underwater show.

5560
04:40:45,995 --> 04:40:50,875
Also, the materials to make a suit
could survive for a length of time

5561
04:40:50,959 --> 04:40:52,460
and hold up and do all the things.

5562
04:40:52,544 --> 04:40:56,172
Building sets underwater
and shooting a creature underwater.

5563
04:40:56,256 --> 04:40:59,050
So, Tom Pollock, he thought it was great

5564
04:40:59,133 --> 04:41:01,553
and he said, "This is just too expensive."

5565
04:41:01,636 --> 04:41:04,639
And he goes, "Right now
I've got this $80 million

5566
04:41:04,722 --> 04:41:06,099
fucking lizard picture.

5567
04:41:06,182 --> 04:41:08,309
It's gonna bankrupt the studio."

5568
04:41:08,393 --> 04:41:10,478
And that, of course, was <i>Jurassic Park</i>.

5569
04:41:12,981 --> 04:41:15,942
It's why the creature
didn't get made at that time.

5570
04:41:16,025 --> 04:41:18,319
Then, of course, we all know that <i>Jurassic</i>

5571
04:41:18,403 --> 04:41:23,241
went on to be this gigantic hit
and I sent Tom a "congratulations

5572
04:41:23,324 --> 04:41:25,326
on your fucking lizard picture" note.

5573
04:41:32,208 --> 04:41:35,420
I was gonna do a remake of <i>The Gate </i>
That I worked on for a while.

5574
04:41:37,297 --> 04:41:40,425
'Cause I loved the original so much,
I was gonna do 3D.

5575
04:41:40,508 --> 04:41:43,386
Andras Hamori, who produced
the original <i>Gate</i>, brought it to me.

5576
04:41:43,469 --> 04:41:45,763
He was actually a fan of mine
and he particularly liked

5577
04:41:45,847 --> 04:41:48,516
my <i>Ben 10 </i>movies,
which were very kid Jeopardy movies.

5578
04:41:48,600 --> 04:41:52,270
I wanted to make kind
of like <i>Saving Private Ryan </i>with kids

5579
04:41:52,353 --> 04:41:53,855
and sort of that visceral experience

5580
04:41:53,938 --> 04:41:57,025
of being kind of abandoned
by your parents over a weekend.

5581
04:41:57,108 --> 04:41:59,903
Just complete warfare
that takes place between these kids

5582
04:41:59,986 --> 04:42:00,862
and these minions.

5583
04:42:00,945 --> 04:42:05,074
Minions were gonna be a combination of CG
and animatronic, and stop motion.

5584
04:42:07,952 --> 04:42:09,829
And then <i>Stranger Things</i> happened.

5585
04:42:09,913 --> 04:42:11,331
Now I just feel like the audiences
have seen this.

5586
04:42:11,414 --> 04:42:14,250
You know, they've seen sort of kids
in the supernatural

5587
04:42:14,334 --> 04:42:16,210
in that way, and it just felt pointless

5588
04:42:16,294 --> 04:42:18,212
or like a knock-off
and I didn't want to do a knock-off

5589
04:42:18,296 --> 04:42:20,048
so I just said, "That's done."

5590
04:42:23,927 --> 04:42:26,304
Apparently, uh, Roger Avery
and Tarantino were both

5591
04:42:26,387 --> 04:42:29,432
big <i>Phantasm</i> fans and had hung out
with Coscarelli a little bit

5592
04:42:29,515 --> 04:42:30,934
before they were huge and famous.

5593
04:42:31,017 --> 04:42:33,394
Next thing you know they win
an Oscar for <i>Pulp Fiction</i>

5594
04:42:33,478 --> 04:42:36,272
and Roger Avery kind of like,
"I'm going to Disneyland."

5595
04:42:36,356 --> 04:42:38,900
He says something along the lines of,
"I'm gonna write a Phantasm movie."

5596
04:42:38,983 --> 04:42:41,527
And then he does
and he writes <i>Phantasm 1999</i>

5597
04:42:41,611 --> 04:42:43,947
which is a cool script,
you know of course, he wrote it.

5598
04:42:44,030 --> 04:42:45,239
Does not come to fruition.

5599
04:42:45,323 --> 04:42:49,202
Years it takes to find out that this movie
is just not gonna get made

5600
04:42:49,285 --> 04:42:51,746
and Bruce Campbell I guess
was gonna possibly be in it

5601
04:42:51,829 --> 04:42:53,748
and it was a whole different
direction for <i>Phantasm</i>,

5602
04:42:53,831 --> 04:42:55,333
but at the end of the day,
it didn't happen

5603
04:42:55,416 --> 04:42:57,335
and then we make
<i>Phantasm Oblivion</i> instead.

5604
04:42:59,963 --> 04:43:03,925
<i>Ice cream man, it's all in his head.</i>

5605
04:43:04,008 --> 04:43:05,510
It might be true also
that there are elements

5606
04:43:05,593 --> 04:43:09,263
from that Avery script that made
it into <i>Phantasm: Ravager</i>,

5607
04:43:09,347 --> 04:43:13,309
post-apocalyptic world gone mad,
more of a military element

5608
04:43:13,393 --> 04:43:17,105
going on there, so yeah, those--
those things could be lifted.

5609
04:43:21,192 --> 04:43:23,403
<i>Wake the Dead</i> was brought to me
by the director

5610
04:43:23,486 --> 04:43:25,071
of <i>Tuck Everlasting,</i> that I worked with,

5611
04:43:25,154 --> 04:43:28,032
based on a graphic novel
and it is a contemporary telling

5612
04:43:28,116 --> 04:43:30,660
of <i>Frankenstein</i>
with the teenage genre in it.

5613
04:43:30,743 --> 04:43:33,621
That it's the teenage college
medical students experimenting

5614
04:43:33,705 --> 04:43:35,957
and it's a wonderful,
wonderful graphic novel

5615
04:43:36,040 --> 04:43:39,085
and it's a wonderful retelling
of <i>Frankenstein</i> myth today.

5616
04:43:39,168 --> 04:43:40,795
Where you turn your best friend
into the creature

5617
04:43:40,878 --> 04:43:42,296
and they get killed in a car wreck.

5618
04:43:42,380 --> 04:43:44,465
We've come so close so many times

5619
04:43:44,549 --> 04:43:47,468
and I still don't know
why <i>Wake the Dead</i> is so popular

5620
04:43:47,552 --> 04:43:49,303
in the graphic novel world,
why we can't get it done.

5621
04:43:49,387 --> 04:43:51,597
We've gone independent,
we've had money put up,

5622
04:43:51,681 --> 04:43:54,225
we're-- we're gonna go to Australia,
we're gonna go to New Zealand

5623
04:43:54,308 --> 04:43:56,352
and I think maybe someday
we'll get a shot.

5624
04:43:56,436 --> 04:43:58,938
We didn't get it done
and uh, what an expensive film

5625
04:43:59,022 --> 04:44:00,481
and I think we'll keep trying.

5626
04:44:04,277 --> 04:44:07,447
The quandary of any writer in Hollywood,

5627
04:44:07,530 --> 04:44:10,408
they see you as have a specific wheelhouse

5628
04:44:10,491 --> 04:44:14,412
and so mine was kind of
childhood horror thing.

5629
04:44:14,495 --> 04:44:19,500
I sold a project to TriStar,
called, "Miss Malicious".

5630
04:44:19,584 --> 04:44:25,298
A psychological horror story
about a teenage girl's imaginary friend.

5631
04:44:25,381 --> 04:44:28,217
There's some thematic overlap with <i>Chucky</i>.

5632
04:44:28,301 --> 04:44:29,844
<i>Thanks for coming after me.</i>

5633
04:44:29,927 --> 04:44:31,054
<i>What are friends for?</i>

5634
04:44:31,137 --> 04:44:36,768
I also-- I sold to Warner Brothers
a project called, "P.E.T.S".

5635
04:44:36,851 --> 04:44:41,898
This concept of robot dogs
that look and behave

5636
04:44:41,981 --> 04:44:45,735
completely real, but of course,
they run amok and start killing people.

5637
04:44:45,818 --> 04:44:48,821
I sold that and wrote that,
and it didn't get made.

5638
04:44:48,905 --> 04:44:53,242
There was a lot of money
in this business in the '90s.

5639
04:44:53,326 --> 04:44:54,744
It's very different nowadays.

5640
04:44:54,827 --> 04:44:57,455
That doesn't happen,
but those were the salad days

5641
04:44:57,538 --> 04:45:00,166
where you could just like
think up an idea for a movie

5642
04:45:00,249 --> 04:45:02,251
on your way to a meeting
and people would say,

5643
04:45:02,335 --> 04:45:03,711
"You're hired, let's do it."

5644
04:45:03,795 --> 04:45:09,467
As opposed to now when you can
have someone make a whole franchise film,

5645
04:45:09,550 --> 04:45:12,845
complete it and have it decimated
as a tax write-off

5646
04:45:12,929 --> 04:45:15,515
which is a very new kind of nightmare.

5647
04:45:15,598 --> 04:45:18,726
<i>My power has nothing to do with money.</i>

5648
04:45:18,810 --> 04:45:21,437
<i>Power is what holds things together!</i>

5649
04:45:21,521 --> 04:45:24,565
The road to Hollywood is littered
with disappointments

5650
04:45:24,649 --> 04:45:27,360
but you carry on, you carry on
hoping the next one.

5651
04:45:27,443 --> 04:45:29,737
You know, good things come out
of pain and suffering,

5652
04:45:29,821 --> 04:45:32,490
and my time in development hell
has led to good things

5653
04:45:32,573 --> 04:45:35,743
and you know, occasionally something
slips out into the world.

5654
04:45:35,827 --> 04:45:37,036
Something that perhaps shouldn't.

5655
04:45:37,120 --> 04:45:39,247
Something that by all rights
shouldn't exist

5656
04:45:39,330 --> 04:45:41,499
and when that happens,
it's the greatest feeling in the world,

5657
04:45:41,582 --> 04:45:42,834
because it's a miracle.

5658
04:45:47,130 --> 04:45:51,509
1999

5659
04:45:58,349 --> 04:46:00,351
<i>No!</i>

5660
04:46:03,062 --> 04:46:06,274
A tugboat crew in a storm,
they lose their tow.

5661
04:46:06,357 --> 04:46:07,483
They're not gonna survive.

5662
04:46:07,567 --> 04:46:09,360
<i>Captain, the engine room</i>
<i>is taking on water.</i>

5663
04:46:09,443 --> 04:46:12,280
<i>Well then, pump it out, mister.</i>
<i>You're the bloody engineer.</i>

5664
04:46:12,363 --> 04:46:15,575
And they are lucky enough to come
into the eye of the storm.

5665
04:46:15,658 --> 04:46:18,786
They come across a vessel
which is a Russian ship,

5666
04:46:18,870 --> 04:46:21,247
but once on board,
they find that a life form

5667
04:46:21,330 --> 04:46:25,251
of electrical nature is transmitted down
onto the ship and took over the computers,

5668
04:46:25,334 --> 04:46:28,087
and then little machines started
killing everyone.

5669
04:46:31,382 --> 04:46:34,051
I was friends with Jim Cameron
before I ever worked with him.

5670
04:46:34,135 --> 04:46:36,512
It was <i>Terminator 2: 3D</i> which Jim said,

5671
04:46:36,596 --> 04:46:39,599
"Why don't you be a co-director?"
'Cause he was writing <i>Titanic</i>.

5672
04:46:39,682 --> 04:46:42,518
And that was a really big deal
for Universal Studio.

5673
04:46:42,602 --> 04:46:44,687
They were very happy
with the work to the point

5674
04:46:44,770 --> 04:46:46,606
where they're gonna offer you
a film to direct.

5675
04:46:46,689 --> 04:46:49,817
I was given a script called,
"Virus" and a graphic novel, <i>Virus.</i>

5676
04:46:49,901 --> 04:46:52,570
Gale Anne Hurd, who you know,
is the producer of this film.

5677
04:46:52,653 --> 04:46:54,488
And it was a script by Chuck Pfarrer.

5678
04:46:54,572 --> 04:46:57,366
Chuck contacted uh, Mike Richardson
at Dark Horse Comics.

5679
04:46:57,450 --> 04:46:59,952
They turned that script
into a graphic novel.

5680
04:47:00,036 --> 04:47:02,246
It was actually a hit
in the world of comics

5681
04:47:02,330 --> 04:47:04,457
and film geeks loved this thing.

5682
04:47:04,498 --> 04:47:08,127
Within two days of that meeting,
Jim said, "We're gonna dive to Titanic.

5683
04:47:08,211 --> 04:47:11,714
Tell no one, not the studio,
especially not Gale yet.

5684
04:47:11,797 --> 04:47:13,883
We're gonna dive and try to get some shots

5685
04:47:13,966 --> 04:47:16,510
for the opening of the film
to prove that we can do this movie."

5686
04:47:16,594 --> 04:47:19,180
So for the next 30 days
I lived on a Russian ship.

5687
04:47:19,263 --> 04:47:21,766
600 miles off the coast of Nova Scotia.

5688
04:47:21,849 --> 04:47:23,059
It was pretty wild.

5689
04:47:23,142 --> 04:47:25,394
And then finally Jim came to me
and said, "Well, hey,

5690
04:47:25,478 --> 04:47:26,562
you're gonna have to make a decision.

5691
04:47:26,646 --> 04:47:28,606
Are you going to do <i>Virus</i> or <i>Titanic</i>?"

5692
04:47:28,689 --> 04:47:30,566
<i>It's fitted for scientific purposes.</i>

5693
04:47:30,650 --> 04:47:35,071
<i>Their biggest, 42 labs, 5 machine shops,</i>
<i>outfitted with advanced robotics.</i>

5694
04:47:35,154 --> 04:47:38,991
Then we got a sat phone, satellite call
from Gale, who basically said,

5695
04:47:39,075 --> 04:47:40,868
"Are you gonna do this
fucking film or what?"

5696
04:47:42,828 --> 04:47:43,955
I said, "Yes."

5697
04:47:48,042 --> 04:47:52,672
Drawing on my own background in design,
storyboarding, illustrations.

5698
04:47:52,755 --> 04:47:55,716
All these people, we all worked in a room,
handing off drawings to each other.

5699
04:47:55,800 --> 04:47:58,177
It was a good experience in the beginning.
I was having fun.

5700
04:48:00,680 --> 04:48:03,057
Jamie Lee Curtis,
she brought a lot of energy to the set

5701
04:48:03,140 --> 04:48:04,934
and she would always
tell everybody to like,

5702
04:48:05,017 --> 04:48:06,686
"Get it, let's go,
get on your marks", you know,

5703
04:48:06,769 --> 04:48:08,271
"Get ready, we-- we gotta go."

5704
04:48:10,273 --> 04:48:11,565
<i>You're no longer in charge!</i>

5705
04:48:11,649 --> 04:48:14,986
- Donald Sutherland, as the captain,
was sort of acting the part.

5706
04:48:15,069 --> 04:48:17,071
He'd push people, push the actors.

5707
04:48:17,154 --> 04:48:20,074
<i>One of my men is missing.</i>
<i>And I want some answers.</i>

5708
04:48:20,157 --> 04:48:22,743
<i>And no more of this Twilight Zone stuff.</i>

5709
04:48:22,827 --> 04:48:26,038
Billy Baldwin, he went out
of his way constantly to do it right.

5710
04:48:26,122 --> 04:48:28,416
He wanted to do another one.
"Can I do another one?" I'd let him go.

5711
04:48:28,499 --> 04:48:29,667
<i>What the hell is that?</i>

5712
04:48:31,669 --> 04:48:33,462
It had sort of international cast.

5713
04:48:33,546 --> 04:48:35,298
They all tried their best.
It was fantastic.

5714
04:48:35,381 --> 04:48:37,925
<i>What is this thing that's inside</i>
<i>the computer, huh?</i>

5715
04:48:38,009 --> 04:48:40,386
<i>It's a life form. Unlike anything we know.</i>

5716
04:48:40,469 --> 04:48:42,013
Everything is practical in <i>Virus</i>.

5717
04:48:42,096 --> 04:48:44,807
Even our miniature ship in the storm,
it's 50-feet long.

5718
04:48:44,890 --> 04:48:48,102
Then we had a full-size ship
in the James River Fleet called,

5719
04:48:48,185 --> 04:48:51,063
the Hoyt S. Vandenberg.
It's a satellite tracking ship.

5720
04:48:51,147 --> 04:48:54,066
For a dollar, we bought the ship
and refurbished it.

5721
04:48:54,150 --> 04:48:57,486
We painted one side and that's how
we-- we dealt with filming.

5722
04:48:57,570 --> 04:48:59,613
By the way, we really dropped
an anchor through the ship.

5723
04:48:59,697 --> 04:49:02,283
And we had stunt people
like dive out of the way.

5724
04:49:04,160 --> 04:49:05,911
They kept telling me
there's not a big budget

5725
04:49:05,995 --> 04:49:07,997
to do everything digital or CG.

5726
04:49:08,080 --> 04:49:12,001
So I approached the whole film,
all the creature work, all the robotics,

5727
04:49:12,084 --> 04:49:14,128
Steve Johnson made all these little actual

5728
04:49:14,211 --> 04:49:17,882
animatronic creatures, puppeted
or radio-controlled.

5729
04:49:17,965 --> 04:49:18,924
It was really kind of cool.

5730
04:49:19,008 --> 04:49:22,261
So the bulk of the film
became practical robotics,

5731
04:49:22,345 --> 04:49:24,138
for real, that worked.

5732
04:49:26,599 --> 04:49:29,560
Phil Tippett's company, Phil,
who I'd worked with previously

5733
04:49:29,643 --> 04:49:31,896
at ILM and other projects,
agreed to do it.

5734
04:49:31,937 --> 04:49:34,565
And they basically did
an animated 3D version

5735
04:49:34,648 --> 04:49:36,108
of Goliath that worked quite well.

5736
04:49:36,192 --> 04:49:38,069
And I was quite pleased
that you couldn't quite tell

5737
04:49:38,152 --> 04:49:40,237
the difference in the final output
of the film.

5738
04:49:42,990 --> 04:49:43,908
<i>Checkmate.</i>

5739
04:49:43,949 --> 04:49:45,993
I wanted to hire another
visual effects supervisor

5740
04:49:46,035 --> 04:49:48,371
and they said,
"No, you know, we're hiring you

5741
04:49:48,454 --> 04:49:51,123
to be the director
and the visual effects supervisor.

5742
04:49:51,207 --> 04:49:52,750
That's two separate jobs."

5743
04:49:52,833 --> 04:49:56,504
Although I was doing it, it--
it makes it so much harder.

5744
04:49:57,671 --> 04:49:59,340
<i>Jesus Christ.</i>

5745
04:49:59,423 --> 04:50:02,676
<i>You don't recognize me.</i>
<i>What's wrong?</i>

5746
04:50:02,760 --> 04:50:06,389
So I called my friend, Jim Cameron,
who was in Mexico shooting Titanic.

5747
04:50:06,472 --> 04:50:08,808
And I'd ask him how his day went.

5748
04:50:10,601 --> 04:50:13,354
We would sort of compare notes
and he'd give me some advice

5749
04:50:13,437 --> 04:50:16,607
on how to deal with whatever, you know,
problems I might be having.

5750
04:50:16,690 --> 04:50:18,192
<i>English.</i>

5751
04:50:18,234 --> 04:50:20,986
<i>-Do you speak English?</i>
<i>-Fuck you.</i>

5752
04:50:21,070 --> 04:50:23,489
The first cut of the movie
was 2 hours and 15 minutes.

5753
04:50:23,572 --> 04:50:25,324
It's now just under 90.

5754
04:50:25,408 --> 04:50:28,702
We previewed the film
at Universal CityWalk.

5755
04:50:28,786 --> 04:50:29,995
Audience liked it.

5756
04:50:33,290 --> 04:50:34,208
<i>Steve.</i>

5757
04:50:35,626 --> 04:50:38,212
- We had toys.
There was a updated graphic novel.

5758
04:50:38,295 --> 04:50:39,964
Even a video game, I think.

5759
04:50:40,047 --> 04:50:42,800
And they were delivered
to my office for approval.

5760
04:50:42,883 --> 04:50:44,343
The actors had to approve theirs.

5761
04:50:44,427 --> 04:50:45,970
They all got an action figure.

5762
04:50:46,053 --> 04:50:48,139
They were like monster action figures.

5763
04:50:48,222 --> 04:50:49,265
It was a big movie.

5764
04:50:51,600 --> 04:50:52,893
<i>Oh, closer.</i>

5765
04:50:53,811 --> 04:50:56,439
In the end, they delayed the release
of the film by a month,

5766
04:50:56,522 --> 04:50:58,065
which took it out of the summer.

5767
04:50:58,149 --> 04:50:59,984
Released in the winter,
we knew it was like

5768
04:51:00,067 --> 04:51:02,111
it would hurt the film, which is too bad.

5769
04:51:02,194 --> 04:51:04,196
<i>- You are virus.</i>

5770
04:51:12,830 --> 04:51:14,790
<i>- The Rage: Carrie 2.</i>

5771
04:51:14,874 --> 04:51:19,587
I have a very interesting, long-standing
interest in the <i>Carrie </i>series,

5772
04:51:19,670 --> 04:51:22,047
because I think the book is so good.

5773
04:51:22,131 --> 04:51:23,841
And I love the original film.

5774
04:51:25,926 --> 04:51:27,970
There was a period of time
where people couldn't get arrested

5775
04:51:28,053 --> 04:51:29,430
for making a Stephen King movie.

5776
04:51:29,513 --> 04:51:30,681
And this was in that era.

5777
04:51:30,764 --> 04:51:33,893
Somebody said, "What if we took
Stephen King and <i>Scream</i>-ed it up a bit?"

5778
04:51:38,564 --> 04:51:42,568
I was fascinated with the cover
of the VCR box.

5779
04:51:42,651 --> 04:51:47,740
Just seeing Sissy Spacek in the blood,
in the dress, that iconic image.

5780
04:51:49,158 --> 04:51:52,453
<i>Carrie 2,</i> I don't think
I expected that it would be

5781
04:51:52,536 --> 04:51:57,666
the same classic as a sequel,
but I felt a big responsibility.

5782
04:51:57,750 --> 04:52:01,462
I had also never acted
on camera professionally at all.

5783
04:52:01,545 --> 04:52:05,257
So I wanted to bring
as much reality as I could,

5784
04:52:05,341 --> 04:52:06,967
as much of my experience.

5785
04:52:07,051 --> 04:52:08,219
<i>I don't know that I believe in it.</i>

5786
04:52:08,302 --> 04:52:10,346
<i>-Believe in what?</i>
<i>-Love.</i>

5787
04:52:10,429 --> 04:52:13,766
<i>Then you've got bigger problems</i>
<i>than passing this class.</i>

5788
04:52:13,849 --> 04:52:16,185
This movie went through a lot of changes.

5789
04:52:16,268 --> 04:52:18,562
The original director was Bob Mandel.

5790
04:52:18,646 --> 04:52:20,606
And it was called, "The Curse".

5791
04:52:20,689 --> 04:52:24,485
It was less of a sequel
and I would say maybe even more

5792
04:52:24,568 --> 04:52:25,945
of a '90s reboot.

5793
04:52:26,028 --> 04:52:28,864
And then MGM put the movie on the shelf.

5794
04:52:28,948 --> 04:52:30,407
They stopped production and they said,

5795
04:52:30,491 --> 04:52:33,369
"Kids don't want to watch
horror movies anymore."

5796
04:52:33,452 --> 04:52:35,913
And then a few months later,
<i>Scream</i> came out.

5797
04:52:35,996 --> 04:52:39,250
And obviously, they changed
their minds about kids wanting

5798
04:52:39,333 --> 04:52:40,543
to watch horror movies.

5799
04:52:40,626 --> 04:52:43,045
We even quote <i>Scream </i>in the movie.

5800
04:52:43,128 --> 04:52:46,715
<i>-Hello.</i>
<i>-What's your favorite scary movie?</i>

5801
04:52:46,799 --> 04:52:49,051
They wanted it a little more
tongue in cheek.

5802
04:52:49,134 --> 04:52:54,723
They changed huge plot points
and then two weeks into shooting

5803
04:52:54,807 --> 04:52:57,309
fired everybody on the movie.

5804
04:52:57,393 --> 04:53:00,896
And then Katt Shea came aboard
and took the helm.

5805
04:53:00,980 --> 04:53:03,524
I'm a big <i>Poison Ivy</i> fan
and I thought she brought

5806
04:53:03,607 --> 04:53:04,817
a great perspective.

5807
04:53:04,900 --> 04:53:08,237
<i>It must be nice just not having</i>
<i>to be like everybody else.</i>

5808
04:53:08,320 --> 04:53:11,782
<i>Sometimes I really wish I could just be</i>
<i>one of the shiny happy people.</i>

5809
04:53:11,865 --> 04:53:16,245
It's a movie about a young woman
whose mother struggles

5810
04:53:16,328 --> 04:53:18,872
with mental illness and she's afraid that

5811
04:53:18,956 --> 04:53:22,126
that will be passed on to her genetically.

5812
04:53:22,209 --> 04:53:26,046
Which was the struggle
of our screenwriter Rafael Moreau.

5813
04:53:26,130 --> 04:53:27,965
So I think this movie is really powerful,

5814
04:53:28,048 --> 04:53:30,509
because it comes
from such a personal place.

5815
04:53:30,593 --> 04:53:32,261
<i>What are you saying I have?</i>

5816
04:53:32,344 --> 04:53:35,556
<i>- I'm saying you're not crazy</i>
<i>and it's not the devil.</i>

5817
04:53:35,639 --> 04:53:37,391
<i>It's a trait, Rachel, you've inherited.</i>

5818
04:53:37,474 --> 04:53:41,895
This is pre-MeToo and the movie
was really visionary for its time,

5819
04:53:41,979 --> 04:53:45,107
because it's about
a young woman taking revenge,

5820
04:53:45,190 --> 04:53:47,943
because she's in this environment

5821
04:53:48,027 --> 04:53:52,698
where men are looking to score
on women for points.

5822
04:53:52,781 --> 04:53:55,159
<i>How many points do I get</i>
<i>if I do that chick over there?</i>

5823
04:53:55,242 --> 04:53:56,910
<i>That fat one? Six.</i>

5824
04:53:56,994 --> 04:53:58,037
<i>No, bro, I did her last week</i>

5825
04:53:58,120 --> 04:53:59,913
<i>and you only gave me five</i>
<i>and she's not fat.</i>

5826
04:53:59,997 --> 04:54:04,209
Based on a real '90s phenomenon
of a group of jocks called,

5827
04:54:04,293 --> 04:54:07,046
the "Spur Posse"
who are basically recording

5828
04:54:07,129 --> 04:54:11,550
sleeping with women as a point system
and did commit statutory rape.

5829
04:54:11,634 --> 04:54:14,178
That kind of what we would call,
"toxic masculinity",

5830
04:54:14,261 --> 04:54:15,971
although we had no term for it back then.

5831
04:54:16,055 --> 04:54:18,766
<i>After that half-ass block</i>
<i>I just wanted to check</i>

5832
04:54:18,849 --> 04:54:22,353
<i>to see if maybe you had a tampon string</i>
<i>hanging between your legs.</i>

5833
04:54:22,436 --> 04:54:25,564
I think it's also about
the fronts that we put on.

5834
04:54:25,648 --> 04:54:29,735
I think all horror movies
are about the monster within us

5835
04:54:29,818 --> 04:54:33,781
and being afraid of people getting to know
who we really are.

5836
04:54:33,864 --> 04:54:37,451
Jason London's character
and my character were very similar,

5837
04:54:37,534 --> 04:54:40,871
because they both had to put up
these tough exteriors to survive

5838
04:54:40,954 --> 04:54:42,790
<i>Make your own path.</i>

5839
04:54:42,873 --> 04:54:45,626
<i>-Think so?</i>
<i>-Word.</i>

5840
04:54:45,709 --> 04:54:48,671
I actually provided all the slang
that was in the movie,

5841
04:54:48,754 --> 04:54:52,508
including swank, dope, and word.

5842
04:54:52,591 --> 04:54:55,260
I just said, "Look,
can we have the teenagers saying

5843
04:54:55,344 --> 04:54:57,513
what actual teenagers say?"

5844
04:54:57,596 --> 04:54:58,472
<i>Swank.</i>

5845
04:54:58,514 --> 04:55:03,102
I prefer La Rage: Carrie Deux.
<i>The Rage</i> colon <i>Carrie 2.</i> It all works.

5846
04:55:03,143 --> 04:55:07,481
<i>Night of the prom,</i>
<i>73 people died, few us survived,</i>

5847
04:55:07,564 --> 04:55:09,441
<i>but we never talked about that night.</i>

5848
04:55:09,525 --> 04:55:14,279
Amy Irving was so, so cool to me
and really took me under her wing.

5849
04:55:14,363 --> 04:55:16,740
She told me stories about the original.

5850
04:55:16,824 --> 04:55:18,575
Just how wild it was.

5851
04:55:18,659 --> 04:55:21,412
I mean, it was pretty wild on our set,

5852
04:55:21,495 --> 04:55:23,622
but in the '70s, I mean, forget about it.

5853
04:55:23,706 --> 04:55:28,836
<i>I want you to see how many points</i>
<i>Jesse got for you.</i>

5854
04:55:28,919 --> 04:55:33,590
Everyone knows at the end of <i>Carrie</i>,
there's gonna be a big payoff body count.

5855
04:55:37,428 --> 04:55:38,971
And then, carnage.

5856
04:55:39,054 --> 04:55:40,723
Carnage with spear guns.

5857
04:55:42,349 --> 04:55:43,851
Carnage with CDs.

5858
04:55:45,352 --> 04:55:47,771
Carnage with shattering glass.

5859
04:55:50,107 --> 04:55:52,651
By the way, that glass was real.
We did not have CGI.

5860
04:55:52,735 --> 04:55:57,865
They really did explode a two-story window
of candy glass on me.

5861
04:55:57,948 --> 04:55:59,658
And I had a scar from it
for a little while,

5862
04:55:59,742 --> 04:56:01,744
'cause candy glass
can still cut you a little bit.

5863
04:56:04,329 --> 04:56:09,334
It was absolutely insane,
but I didn't know any better.

5864
04:56:09,376 --> 04:56:13,338
And I was just so excited
to get my big break.

5865
04:56:13,422 --> 04:56:16,467
The entire thing was shot indoors
in this stadium

5866
04:56:16,550 --> 04:56:18,844
that was about to be demolished.

5867
04:56:18,927 --> 04:56:23,682
So we were filming around the clock,
because we were gonna lose the location.

5868
04:56:26,685 --> 04:56:28,896
Burning a house down inside.

5869
04:56:28,979 --> 04:56:32,733
The director was wearing
a gas mask the entire time.

5870
04:56:32,816 --> 04:56:34,193
It was wild.

5871
04:56:34,276 --> 04:56:36,236
It was really, really wild.

5872
04:56:38,030 --> 04:56:41,867
After I did <i>Carrie</i>,
there was a lot of interest in me

5873
04:56:41,950 --> 04:56:45,370
doing a lot of other horror movies.

5874
04:56:45,454 --> 04:56:47,623
I was a theater actor first and foremost.

5875
04:56:47,706 --> 04:56:50,793
So instead of using the heat
that I got out of the movie

5876
04:56:50,876 --> 04:56:54,004
to do more horror movies,
I went and I did Broadway.

5877
04:56:54,087 --> 04:56:56,632
And then I ended up doing
a lot of TV as well.

5878
04:56:56,715 --> 04:56:57,883
I would do a horror movie now.

5879
04:56:57,966 --> 04:57:00,511
I think the horror genre
is more serious now

5880
04:57:00,552 --> 04:57:02,471
and the scripts are better.

5881
04:57:02,554 --> 04:57:05,015
Like I love a camp horror movie,
don't get me wrong.

5882
04:57:05,098 --> 04:57:06,433
I want to jump back in.

5883
04:57:16,485 --> 04:57:18,195
<i>Did you lose something there, bud?</i>

5884
04:57:19,154 --> 04:57:20,447
<i>- Idle Hands.</i>

5885
04:57:20,531 --> 04:57:22,199
<i>Idle Hands</i> is rad.

5886
04:57:25,118 --> 04:57:28,539
<i>Idle Hands</i> is the story
of this loser stoner,

5887
04:57:28,622 --> 04:57:31,959
perhaps one of the most pathetic men
in horror history.

5888
04:57:32,042 --> 04:57:33,001
<i>It's under the bed!</i>

5889
04:57:36,088 --> 04:57:37,297
<i>Ow!</i>

5890
04:57:38,549 --> 04:57:40,467
Played brilliantly by Devon Sawa.

5891
04:57:40,551 --> 04:57:42,344
<i>Don't you think</i>
<i>you should have some ambition?</i>

5892
04:57:42,427 --> 04:57:43,262
<i>Like a goal?</i>

5893
04:57:43,345 --> 04:57:45,931
<i>I mean, my dream life would be</i>
<i>to lie around all day in bed</i>

5894
04:57:46,014 --> 04:57:48,225
<i>and watch TV while some hot</i>
<i>broad delivers me food and shit.</i>

5895
04:57:48,308 --> 04:57:51,019
He's so likable, but he's such a big loser

5896
04:57:51,103 --> 04:57:54,565
that a demon is able to possess
his hand and cause his hand

5897
04:57:54,648 --> 04:57:56,149
to do horrible, horrible things.

5898
04:57:56,233 --> 04:57:57,734
<i>-…A beer?</i>
<i>-No, thanks.</i>

5899
04:57:57,818 --> 04:57:58,944
<i>-You sure, 'cause…</i>

5900
04:58:01,613 --> 04:58:05,325
The movie really is a collection
of horror tropes.

5901
04:58:05,409 --> 04:58:06,994
<i>- Everything's gonna be cool, man.</i>

5902
04:58:07,035 --> 04:58:08,245
<i>Everything's gonna be…</i>

5903
04:58:10,122 --> 04:58:12,332
But it's elevating
all those tropes together

5904
04:58:12,416 --> 04:58:14,334
into this great mashup horror comedy.

5905
04:58:14,418 --> 04:58:15,627
<i>- They were killed by ants?</i>

5906
04:58:15,711 --> 04:58:19,381
<i>Please don't be stupid.</i>
<i>Do you have like an evil aunt?</i>

5907
04:58:19,464 --> 04:58:22,759
Making references to horror films
in your horror film.

5908
04:58:22,843 --> 04:58:25,470
That was something that we had
become accustomed to.

5909
04:58:25,554 --> 04:58:28,807
<i>Oh, look at me! Look at me!</i>
<i>I'm Leatherface!</i>

5910
04:58:28,891 --> 04:58:31,226
You've got the teen-driven comedy,

5911
04:58:31,310 --> 04:58:34,104
but the teens aren't the good-looking,
slick, popular kids

5912
04:58:34,187 --> 04:58:35,898
like in a Kevin Williamson movie.

5913
04:58:35,981 --> 04:58:37,858
These are the loser kids
that they make fun of.

5914
04:58:37,941 --> 04:58:38,984
<i>Halloween thing in the gym.</i>

5915
04:58:39,067 --> 04:58:40,402
<i>-You guys going?</i>
<i>-Hell no.</i>

5916
04:58:40,485 --> 04:58:42,946
<i>Can you see us dressing up</i>
<i>in some stupid-ass costumes?</i>

5917
04:58:43,030 --> 04:58:44,781
<i>Grooving to Hanson and Jewel.</i>

5918
04:58:44,865 --> 04:58:46,408
<i>What do we look like, total losers, man?</i>

5919
04:58:46,491 --> 04:58:48,493
You've got Seth Green,
you've got Elden Henson,

5920
04:58:48,577 --> 04:58:51,580
and they are these best friends
to this guy,

5921
04:58:51,663 --> 04:58:53,332
who aren't really best friends
to this guy.

5922
04:58:53,415 --> 04:58:55,208
That's the hilarious part
about their thing.

5923
04:58:55,292 --> 04:58:56,710
They're best friends with each other.

5924
04:58:56,793 --> 04:58:59,004
They don't really like him,
but they keep him around.

5925
04:58:59,087 --> 04:59:02,716
And then they're stuck with him
for all eternity, ostensibly,

5926
04:59:02,799 --> 04:59:04,259
when they are brought back from the dead.

5927
04:59:04,343 --> 04:59:07,554
<i>Don't take this the wrong way, Anton,</i>
<i>but you look really queer doing that.</i>

5928
04:59:07,638 --> 04:59:09,556
<i>"Idle hands are the devil's playpen",</i>
<i>so I'm thinking,</i>

5929
04:59:09,640 --> 04:59:11,266
<i>you know, keep my hands occupied, right?</i>

5930
04:59:11,350 --> 04:59:14,144
They are the Rosencrantz
and Guildenstern of this movie,

5931
04:59:14,227 --> 04:59:16,104
kind of wandering around
to just kind of point out

5932
04:59:16,188 --> 04:59:18,857
and go, "You know, that's kind of
fucked up that you killed that guy."

5933
04:59:24,613 --> 04:59:27,658
Vivica A. Fox, of course,
driving around in a Winnebago,

5934
04:59:27,741 --> 04:59:31,662
tracking down a demon,
just smoking hot, being awesome.

5935
04:59:31,745 --> 04:59:33,455
"I'm giving you
all the information you need."

5936
04:59:33,538 --> 04:59:35,874
<i>I come from a long line</i>
<i>of Druidic priestesses sworn</i>

5937
04:59:35,958 --> 04:59:37,668
<i>to fight a certain evil force</i>
<i>that possesses</i>

5938
04:59:37,751 --> 04:59:40,087
<i>the laziest fuckup it can find.</i>

5939
04:59:40,170 --> 04:59:43,632
And you're also introducing
Jessica Alba to audiences

5940
04:59:43,715 --> 04:59:47,719
for the first time,
and America is falling madly in love.

5941
04:59:47,803 --> 04:59:50,013
<i>Aren't you a little old</i>
<i>for ding-dong ditch?</i>

5942
04:59:50,097 --> 04:59:51,264
<i>Sorry about your bush.</i>

5943
04:59:52,849 --> 04:59:55,227
In such a way that they were so in love

5944
04:59:55,310 --> 04:59:58,772
that after the test screening,
they literally reshot a new ending,

5945
04:59:58,855 --> 05:00:00,065
so they could take her clothes off.

5946
05:00:00,148 --> 05:00:01,733
<i>Help me!</i>

5947
05:00:05,904 --> 05:00:09,700
Being also very '90s,
you've got The Offspring showing up.

5948
05:00:09,783 --> 05:00:11,451
They're on the radio all the time.

5949
05:00:11,535 --> 05:00:13,787
They not only show up
on the soundtrack of this,

5950
05:00:13,870 --> 05:00:17,332
they're playing a Ramones song,
like they're in rock and roll high school.

5951
05:00:17,416 --> 05:00:22,212
<i>♪ 20, 20, 24 hours to go,</i>
<i>I wanna be sedated ♪</i>

5952
05:00:22,295 --> 05:00:25,215
I was aware of who was
on the rock and roll soundtrack

5953
05:00:25,298 --> 05:00:27,342
before I started to write my score,

5954
05:00:27,426 --> 05:00:30,512
so I dipped into my industrial past,
I suppose,

5955
05:00:30,595 --> 05:00:32,347
with a bit more trash involved,

5956
05:00:32,431 --> 05:00:34,266
so there-- there's quite
a punky feel about it,

5957
05:00:34,349 --> 05:00:36,560
rather than strictly sort of doom-laden.

5958
05:00:38,687 --> 05:00:40,313
<i>See, now you're taking Anton-time.</i>

5959
05:00:40,397 --> 05:00:43,775
There weren't many good horror
comedies hitting at the time,

5960
05:00:43,859 --> 05:00:48,196
and <i>Idle Hands</i> was one of those movies
that was just a cult film from the get-go.

5961
05:00:52,576 --> 05:00:54,244
The studio just didn't get behind it.

5962
05:00:54,327 --> 05:00:56,329
Could have done a whole lot better
than it did.

5963
05:01:01,585 --> 05:01:03,754
- Columbine happened,
and all of a sudden, teenagers

5964
05:01:03,837 --> 05:01:07,049
and violence in a high school,
that was real.

5965
05:01:07,132 --> 05:01:08,925
That was scary.
That was on everyone's mind.

5966
05:01:09,009 --> 05:01:11,219
And they canceled the premiere
for <i>Idle Hands</i>,

5967
05:01:11,303 --> 05:01:13,889
kind of pulled back on
some of the advertising.

5968
05:01:13,972 --> 05:01:16,266
Of course, that would fade away
very quickly

5969
05:01:16,349 --> 05:01:19,144
as people come to their senses and go,

5970
05:01:19,227 --> 05:01:22,606
"Oh yeah, these two kids doing this
horrific thing has nothing to do with,

5971
05:01:22,689 --> 05:01:24,232
you know, a kid with a possessed hand."

5972
05:01:24,316 --> 05:01:26,943
<i>I cut off my hand,</i>
<i>and it's gonna kill you all!</i>

5973
05:01:27,027 --> 05:01:28,987
<i>-Get off the stage!</i>
<i>-Yeah!</i>

5974
05:01:29,071 --> 05:01:32,407
Despite bombing, it came out on video,
and we all watched it

5975
05:01:32,491 --> 05:01:35,077
and fell in love with it,
and it was an instant cult hit

5976
05:01:35,160 --> 05:01:37,788
with at-home stoners and cinephiles.

5977
05:01:37,871 --> 05:01:40,874
<i>What the fuck are you doing, man?</i>
<i>That's my dad! Come on!</i>

5978
05:01:40,957 --> 05:01:42,876
<i>CPR, man!</i>
<i>I saw it on Baywatch!</i>

5979
05:01:52,886 --> 05:01:56,681
The original <i>Mummies</i>, you know,
were just classic, and as--

5980
05:01:56,765 --> 05:01:59,351
as a kid, it's just creepy as hell.

5981
05:02:02,354 --> 05:02:04,856
Slow-moving mummy, you know,
you're kinda used to that,

5982
05:02:04,940 --> 05:02:06,650
so like this one comes out.

5983
05:02:06,733 --> 05:02:11,571
It was like the perfect mix of classic
horror and <i>Indiana Jones</i> adventure.

5984
05:02:11,655 --> 05:02:12,531
Such a fun movie.

5985
05:02:12,614 --> 05:02:15,200
I think I saw it like two or three times
in the movie theater, actually.

5986
05:02:15,283 --> 05:02:17,327
<i>Who the hell are these guys?</i>

5987
05:02:17,410 --> 05:02:18,870
<i>-Priests.</i>
<i>-Alright, then.</i>

5988
05:02:20,205 --> 05:02:22,332
Steve Sommers has been
very generous with me

5989
05:02:22,415 --> 05:02:23,542
when it comes to work.

5990
05:02:23,625 --> 05:02:26,920
<i>Well, if it ain't my little buddy Beni.</i>

5991
05:02:27,003 --> 05:02:28,046
<i>I think I'll kill you.</i>

5992
05:02:28,130 --> 05:02:30,132
<i>-Think of my children!</i>
<i>-You don't have any.</i>

5993
05:02:30,215 --> 05:02:31,675
<i>-Someday I might.</i>
<i>-Shut up!</i>

5994
05:02:31,758 --> 05:02:34,845
Stephen's pitch for that time
and for the studio seemed

5995
05:02:34,928 --> 05:02:36,513
to be the right one that they wanted.

5996
05:02:36,596 --> 05:02:40,267
I had worked with Brendan Fraser on
a movie called, "<i>Gods and Monsters</i>".

5997
05:02:40,350 --> 05:02:44,479
He was a perfect match
for Stephen Sommers as a leading man.

5998
05:02:44,563 --> 05:02:46,815
<i>There's something out there.</i>

5999
05:02:46,898 --> 05:02:48,275
<i>Something underneath that sand.</i>

6000
05:02:48,358 --> 05:02:51,736
Brendan knows how to touch
on all the different parts that you need.

6001
05:02:51,820 --> 05:02:55,031
The adventure, the action,
the romantic, definitely comic,

6002
05:02:55,115 --> 05:02:56,324
he's so good at.

6003
05:03:01,079 --> 05:03:03,039
Rachel Weisz and John Hannah.

6004
05:03:03,123 --> 05:03:06,001
Besides being excellent actors,
John and Rachel,

6005
05:03:06,084 --> 05:03:09,212
and Brendan too,
they're all very likeable people.

6006
05:03:09,296 --> 05:03:12,674
On screen and in person,
they're all charming in their own way.

6007
05:03:12,757 --> 05:03:13,925
<i>- Never did like camels.</i>

6008
05:03:14,009 --> 05:03:18,847
<i>'Cause they smell, they bite,</i>
<i>they spit. Disgusting.</i>

6009
05:03:18,930 --> 05:03:20,140
<i>I think they're adorable.</i>

6010
05:03:20,223 --> 05:03:22,976
Arnold Vosloo, he's a very serious actor.

6011
05:03:23,059 --> 05:03:25,395
He really cares about what he's doing.

6012
05:03:25,478 --> 05:03:29,316
- Imhotep! Imhotep!

6013
05:03:29,399 --> 05:03:31,443
[speaks Ancient Egyptian]

6014
05:03:31,526 --> 05:03:36,239
Beni is a weasel, just backstabbing,
just the worst.

6015
05:03:36,323 --> 05:03:40,994
The challenge is to somehow,
still in a way, you might root

6016
05:03:41,077 --> 05:03:42,871
for Beni at certain points.

6017
05:03:42,954 --> 05:03:45,582
But then you come to your senses
and go, "No."

6018
05:03:45,665 --> 05:03:49,920
<i>The Prince must finish the job.</i>
<i>And consummates the curse.</i>

6019
05:03:51,755 --> 05:03:54,799
It was just to save my own skin
and kiss up to Imhotep.

6020
05:03:54,883 --> 05:03:57,510
Oh my God.
What an amazing boss to have.

6021
05:03:57,594 --> 05:04:00,388
Imhotep. The best!
So that's Beni's thinking.

6022
05:04:00,472 --> 05:04:02,432
<i>I love the whole sand-wall trick.</i>

6023
05:04:02,515 --> 05:04:04,726
<i>It was beautiful. This bastard.</i>

6024
05:04:04,809 --> 05:04:06,895
Steve Sommers, I think,
gave us the direction

6025
05:04:06,978 --> 05:04:08,313
when they yell at each other.

6026
05:04:08,396 --> 05:04:10,941
Brendan Fraser and myself.
That you know, "They're high schoolers.

6027
05:04:11,024 --> 05:04:14,361
They're two guys that love
getting under each other's skin, you know?

6028
05:04:14,444 --> 05:04:16,988
You can sound like two
10-year-olds yelling at each other,

6029
05:04:17,072 --> 05:04:18,323
which I love that direction."

6030
05:04:18,365 --> 05:04:22,244
<i>It looks to me like I got all the horses!</i>

6031
05:04:22,327 --> 05:04:26,164
<i>Looks to me like you're on the wrong side</i>
<i>of the river!</i>

6032
05:04:26,248 --> 05:04:30,043
You don't believe, if you've never
been on one, how high up the camel is.

6033
05:04:30,126 --> 05:04:33,463
And they're not as smooth as a horse.
And they're not as smart as a horse.

6034
05:04:33,546 --> 05:04:35,966
That was another terrifying day for me.

6035
05:04:36,049 --> 05:04:38,885
And Steve Sommers said to me,
"Breaking news, I didn't cast you

6036
05:04:38,969 --> 05:04:40,637
for your camel riding.”

6037
05:04:40,720 --> 05:04:41,972
<i>So long, Beni!</i>

6038
05:04:44,557 --> 05:04:47,269
Luckily, we did the Morocco section first,

6039
05:04:47,352 --> 05:04:50,230
and then we went to London
for the second half of the film.

6040
05:04:50,313 --> 05:04:52,899
Because, as you can tell by looking at me,

6041
05:04:52,983 --> 05:04:55,318
I wasn't someone born in the desert.

6042
05:04:55,402 --> 05:04:58,405
Everybody got sick from food or ice.

6043
05:04:58,488 --> 05:05:01,616
Arnold Vosloo lost about 10 pounds
after he got sick.

6044
05:05:01,700 --> 05:05:04,035
I was so sick, I don't know what it was,

6045
05:05:04,119 --> 05:05:08,373
but I was seeing like you know,
three arms or four arms on myself.

6046
05:05:08,456 --> 05:05:11,668
I mean, I was like out of it
completely for days.

6047
05:05:13,044 --> 05:05:14,004
<i>-Go!</i>

6048
05:05:14,087 --> 05:05:16,464
- One of the crew members got bit
by a scorpion.

6049
05:05:16,506 --> 05:05:19,467
They had to be helicoptered out of there.
They had to go to a hospital.

6050
05:05:19,551 --> 05:05:21,720
So you can imagine
how well I slept that night.

6051
05:05:23,513 --> 05:05:25,473
It was a hard shoot. Physically hard.

6052
05:05:25,557 --> 05:05:27,684
Once we got back to London
though, it was great.

6053
05:05:29,894 --> 05:05:31,604
I love the design of that mummy.

6054
05:05:31,646 --> 05:05:35,150
Because it looks like an EC Comic book
come to life from the '50s.

6055
05:05:35,233 --> 05:05:37,235
<i>We are in serious trouble.</i>

6056
05:05:41,031 --> 05:05:43,950
There were a couple of times
I remember having to ask

6057
05:05:44,034 --> 05:05:46,202
what this will look like later,

6058
05:05:46,286 --> 05:05:49,748
when they finish the CGI
or the matte work or whatever.

6059
05:05:49,831 --> 05:05:52,792
The scene where I meet Imhotep
and I'm walking backwards

6060
05:05:52,876 --> 05:05:55,211
and I'm pulling out the religious things.

6061
05:05:55,295 --> 05:05:56,713
I did it first with Arnold

6062
05:05:56,796 --> 05:06:00,884
who had some special effects tape on,
whatever he had, some sort of suit.

6063
05:06:00,967 --> 05:06:04,179
And then they got rid of Arnold
and I had to do it by myself.

6064
05:06:04,262 --> 05:06:08,224
-[speaks Hebrew]
-[speaks Ancient Egyptian]

6065
05:06:08,308 --> 05:06:10,810
That's even harder than the big sand wave,

6066
05:06:10,894 --> 05:06:12,896
because you can look pretty much
anywhere in it.

6067
05:06:12,979 --> 05:06:15,815
You're gonna be looking at it.
This you had to really look.

6068
05:06:20,320 --> 05:06:22,739
Towards the end when I'm trying
to scramble out of there,

6069
05:06:22,822 --> 05:06:26,576
the art department just spray-painted
that ceiling that was falling on me.

6070
05:06:26,659 --> 05:06:28,745
I'm holding a torch. The flame hit it.

6071
05:06:28,828 --> 05:06:30,246
It went up my arm.

6072
05:06:30,330 --> 05:06:34,209
It burnt off my eyebrow, and my eyelashes,
and my hair on that arm.

6073
05:06:34,292 --> 05:06:36,795
It happened like that.
Like you're Wile E. Coyote.

6074
05:06:39,881 --> 05:06:43,218
And I remember Brendan Fraser saying,
"Are you alright? Are you alright?"

6075
05:06:43,301 --> 05:06:45,804
I said, "What happened?"
And they were extremely apologetic.

6076
05:06:45,887 --> 05:06:48,807
And then of course, later I saw
Brendan turn around laughing his ass off.

6077
05:06:48,890 --> 05:06:51,768
<i>Oh yeah. This just keeps getting</i>
<i>better and better.</i>

6078
05:06:51,851 --> 05:06:54,687
I remember going to the premiere
of <i>The Mummy</i> and I'm like,

6079
05:06:54,771 --> 05:06:56,523
"Oh my gosh. I'm in that."

6080
05:06:56,606 --> 05:06:58,274
So that was sort of mind-blowing.

6081
05:06:58,358 --> 05:06:59,984
I really enjoyed watching it.

6082
05:07:03,947 --> 05:07:06,449
<i>The Mummy</i> opened up first
and then I didn't know what would happen

6083
05:07:06,533 --> 05:07:10,120
if it would just get completely squashed
by <i>The Phantom Menace</i>.

6084
05:07:10,203 --> 05:07:14,040
And to our great surprise
it just sort of stayed around.

6085
05:07:14,124 --> 05:07:15,959
<i>The Mummy</i> just kept hanging in there.

6086
05:07:20,338 --> 05:07:24,342
It led to a couple of sequels.
A prequel, <i>The Scorpion King</i>.

6087
05:07:24,426 --> 05:07:25,635
A rollercoaster ride.

6088
05:07:25,718 --> 05:07:28,430
Not-- not in the world would I ever
thought before the movie opened.

6089
05:07:28,513 --> 05:07:31,224
"Oh, there's gonna be a ride
at Universal." It's great.

6090
05:07:31,307 --> 05:07:32,308
<i>Goodbye, Beni.</i>

6091
05:07:45,947 --> 05:07:48,324
Sometimes Hollywood's formula
for success is copying

6092
05:07:48,408 --> 05:07:51,077
something else that was successful.
You know, <i>Jaws</i>.

6093
05:07:51,161 --> 05:07:53,872
<i>I can go slow ahead.</i>
<i>Come on down and chomp some of this shit.</i>

6094
05:07:57,709 --> 05:08:00,295
<i>Jaws</i> is one of the movies that
made me want to make movies.

6095
05:08:00,378 --> 05:08:02,755
I've seen that movie like easily
200 times in my life.

6096
05:08:02,839 --> 05:08:04,549
I love <i>Jaws</i>.
I love movies about sharks.

6097
05:08:04,632 --> 05:08:06,301
I'll watch any movie about a shark.

6098
05:08:09,053 --> 05:08:12,390
Until of course, you know we get
to <i>Sharknado</i>.

6099
05:08:12,474 --> 05:08:14,893
And it becomes something
entirely different.

6100
05:08:17,020 --> 05:08:19,314
I'll watch <i>Sharknado</i>.
All of 'em I have.

6101
05:08:21,608 --> 05:08:24,027
I saw <i>Deep Blue Sea</i>,
because there were sharks.

6102
05:08:26,571 --> 05:08:30,200
<i>Deep Blue Sea</i> is the story
of a research facility

6103
05:08:30,283 --> 05:08:34,078
that is developing a drug
to combat Alzheimer's

6104
05:08:34,162 --> 05:08:37,290
based on a hormone that exists
in the brain of the mako shark.

6105
05:08:37,373 --> 05:08:39,209
To harvest enough levels of this hormone,

6106
05:08:39,292 --> 05:08:43,129
they have increased the size of the brains
of the mako sharks.

6107
05:08:43,213 --> 05:08:46,674
And as a side effect,
those sharks have gotten real smart.

6108
05:08:48,426 --> 05:08:49,677
<i>Tell me I didn't see that.</i>

6109
05:08:51,012 --> 05:08:52,305
<i>They recognized that gun.</i>

6110
05:08:52,388 --> 05:08:55,225
There's a storm. The facility floods.

6111
05:09:00,772 --> 05:09:02,106
<i>Go, go!</i>

6112
05:09:02,190 --> 05:09:04,651
And the sharks have a plan.

6113
05:09:04,692 --> 05:09:08,321
<i>They aren't just breaking down doors</i>
<i>for the sheer joy of it, are they?</i>

6114
05:09:08,404 --> 05:09:10,448
<i>-They're after us.</i>
<i>-It's pretty damn obvious.</i>

6115
05:09:10,532 --> 05:09:11,658
<i>We don't know what they're doing yet.</i>

6116
05:09:11,741 --> 05:09:13,576
This movie is a blast.

6117
05:09:13,660 --> 05:09:16,037
It's directed by Renny Harlin,
who at the time

6118
05:09:16,120 --> 05:09:18,540
had kind of ridden the wave
of the Hollywood system

6119
05:09:18,623 --> 05:09:22,377
and had huge success
in big-studio movies and huge,

6120
05:09:22,460 --> 05:09:24,504
very public failures in big-studio movies.

6121
05:09:24,587 --> 05:09:28,550
And now comes to do this shark movie
that is just a riot.

6122
05:09:32,095 --> 05:09:34,264
The cast is spectacular.

6123
05:09:34,347 --> 05:09:36,641
And you've got Saffron Burrows,
and Thomas Jane,

6124
05:09:36,724 --> 05:09:39,811
and Samuel L. Jackson,
and Michael Rapaport, and LL Cool J,

6125
05:09:39,894 --> 05:09:45,191
and Stellan Skarsgård battling both
practical effect sharks and CG sharks.

6126
05:09:45,275 --> 05:09:46,776
As they try to survive.

6127
05:09:46,859 --> 05:09:49,737
<i>Bring your feathery ass here, come on. Oh!</i>

6128
05:09:52,865 --> 05:09:56,744
And it all kind of hinges on scenes
that should be ridiculous.

6129
05:09:56,828 --> 05:09:58,621
None of this should work. It all works.

6130
05:09:58,663 --> 05:09:59,872
<i>You ate my bird.</i>

6131
05:10:03,585 --> 05:10:08,381
It has death scenes that are famous
for subverting expectations.

6132
05:10:08,464 --> 05:10:10,883
There is that moment
when Samuel L. Jackson,

6133
05:10:10,967 --> 05:10:13,678
who we think is the protagonist
at this point when you're seeing the film,

6134
05:10:13,761 --> 05:10:16,556
is giving his hero's speech.

6135
05:10:16,639 --> 05:10:20,143
<i>- We're not going to fight anymore.</i>

6136
05:10:20,226 --> 05:10:21,936
<i>We're going to pull together</i>

6137
05:10:22,020 --> 05:10:24,272
<i>and we're gonna find a way</i>
<i>to get out of here.</i>

6138
05:10:24,355 --> 05:10:26,357
And I remember sitting
in the theater being like,

6139
05:10:26,441 --> 05:10:27,817
"Oh my God!"

6140
05:10:27,900 --> 05:10:29,902
<i>First, we're gonna seal off this…</i>

6141
05:10:31,988 --> 05:10:35,992
I was really with the movie at that point,
'cause it also meant anybody could die

6142
05:10:36,075 --> 05:10:37,577
if they literally just killed off

6143
05:10:37,660 --> 05:10:39,370
who you thought was gonna be
the protagonist.

6144
05:10:39,454 --> 05:10:40,747
And it's Samuel L. Jackson.

6145
05:10:40,788 --> 05:10:42,665
You have to give it to Renny Harlin.

6146
05:10:42,749 --> 05:10:45,543
He had to have known exactly
what he was doing.

6147
05:10:45,627 --> 05:10:47,754
And he played the audience
perfectly with that.

6148
05:10:52,592 --> 05:10:55,094
The movie has no business being
as great as it is.

6149
05:10:55,178 --> 05:10:57,055
It is riotously entertaining.

6150
05:10:57,138 --> 05:10:59,849
Like, I've probably watched
<i>Deep Blue Sea</i> 10 times

6151
05:10:59,932 --> 05:11:02,727
and I like it more every time I see it.

6152
05:11:02,810 --> 05:11:05,563
<i>Look, I hate to interrupt this moment</i>
<i>of burgeoning intimacy,</i>

6153
05:11:05,647 --> 05:11:07,482
<i>but can we get the fuck out of here?</i>

6154
05:11:15,573 --> 05:11:17,325
<i>I'm gonna die out here.</i>

6155
05:11:17,950 --> 05:11:22,580
<i>The Blair Witch Project</i> purports
to be a collection of footage

6156
05:11:22,664 --> 05:11:25,249
from three kind of
young student filmmakers

6157
05:11:25,333 --> 05:11:28,628
who went missing in the woods
Burkittsville, Maryland

6158
05:11:28,711 --> 05:11:30,838
while researching the legend
of the Blair Witch.

6159
05:11:30,963 --> 05:11:33,341
<i>Yeah, it's a story my grandmother</i>
<i>used to tell us all.</i>

6160
05:11:33,383 --> 05:11:35,843
<i>A terrible thing.</i>
<i>Just tore the whole community up.</i>

6161
05:11:35,927 --> 05:11:39,889
And their footage has been found
and cut together.

6162
05:11:39,972 --> 05:11:42,308
That found footage,
which were words that had

6163
05:11:42,392 --> 05:11:44,686
not collided that way before this movie.

6164
05:11:44,769 --> 05:11:46,979
<i>- You had an encounter</i>
<i>with the Blair Witch?</i>

6165
05:11:47,063 --> 05:11:51,734
<i>Yes, that is um, a really kind</i>
<i>of scary story.</i>

6166
05:11:51,818 --> 05:11:54,320
It really felt like something
that had been found.

6167
05:11:54,404 --> 05:11:56,656
And that made it so much more scary.

6168
05:11:56,739 --> 05:11:59,033
<i>-Holy shit.</i>
<i>-That's fucking creepy.</i>

6169
05:11:59,117 --> 05:12:01,577
I thought it was a true story.
I was terrified.

6170
05:12:01,661 --> 05:12:03,663
And I'm also sitting there
in disbelief thinking

6171
05:12:03,746 --> 05:12:08,793
this documentary appears
to have captured proof of the paranormal.

6172
05:12:08,876 --> 05:12:11,379
I mean-- I mean, I bought this
thing hook, line, and sinker.

6173
05:12:11,462 --> 05:12:14,215
<i>-It sounds like footsteps.</i>
<i>-I know, that's a fucking person.</i>

6174
05:12:14,298 --> 05:12:17,510
<i>- It's all around us.</i>
<i>That is fucking weird.</i>

6175
05:12:17,593 --> 05:12:21,431
- Dan Myrick and I were in film school
together in the early '90s.

6176
05:12:21,472 --> 05:12:24,434
And we started talking about
what kinds of things scared us as kids.

6177
05:12:24,475 --> 05:12:26,936
And we went out and rented
a bunch of VHSs.

6178
05:12:27,019 --> 05:12:28,938
Rented these pseudo documentaries.

6179
05:12:29,021 --> 05:12:30,982
One called, "<i>Legend of Boggy Creek</i>".

6180
05:12:31,065 --> 05:12:34,277
And we got some VHSs of a show
called, "In Search Of…",

6181
05:12:34,360 --> 05:12:37,488
which we really loved in the '70s
with Leonard Nimoy narrating.

6182
05:12:37,572 --> 05:12:42,034
And we loved the idea that
these things gave us this feeling

6183
05:12:42,118 --> 05:12:45,121
of just creepiness that
other movies didn't give us.

6184
05:12:45,204 --> 05:12:46,956
And we came up with the basic idea

6185
05:12:47,039 --> 05:12:49,417
of these filmmakers,
this documentary team.

6186
05:12:49,500 --> 05:12:51,377
And our original idea was like
the documentary

6187
05:12:51,461 --> 05:12:52,712
was gonna take place in the '70s

6188
05:12:52,754 --> 05:12:54,630
and we were gonna find
the footage in the '90s.

6189
05:12:54,714 --> 05:12:56,007
Every time we thought about it,
we're like,

6190
05:12:56,090 --> 05:12:58,217
"Man, this is the perfect
low-budget movie." You know?

6191
05:12:58,301 --> 05:13:01,846
We don't have to light it.
We don't have to like have stars.

6192
05:13:01,888 --> 05:13:04,849
We don't even have to have music.
The sound can be crappy.

6193
05:13:04,932 --> 05:13:08,311
So the plan to do low budget,
kind of do it ourselves was--

6194
05:13:08,394 --> 05:13:09,937
that was the thing all along.

6195
05:13:10,021 --> 05:13:12,482
<i>If you've known where we were going,</i>
<i>we wouldn't be hiking like--</i>

6196
05:13:12,565 --> 05:13:13,524
<i>- We're in the middle</i>
<i>of the fucking woods.</i>

6197
05:13:13,608 --> 05:13:15,693
<i>-How could you pos--</i>
<i>- Some of it is off-trail hiking.</i>

6198
05:13:15,777 --> 05:13:18,154
And we went through about
a thousand people.

6199
05:13:18,237 --> 05:13:21,616
And Joshua Leonard
was the first one we cast.

6200
05:13:21,699 --> 05:13:22,825
Then Heather Donahue.

6201
05:13:22,909 --> 05:13:26,996
She just brought an intensity
that we didn't see with anybody else.

6202
05:13:27,079 --> 05:13:29,791
Really taking me
to a very uncomfortable place

6203
05:13:29,874 --> 05:13:31,834
there in the audition space.

6204
05:13:31,918 --> 05:13:34,670
And then Mike Williams brought
like a different flavor

6205
05:13:34,754 --> 05:13:36,798
than Heather and Josh.

6206
05:13:36,881 --> 05:13:38,633
We just thought that
these three people like

6207
05:13:38,716 --> 05:13:40,384
complemented each other really well.

6208
05:13:40,468 --> 05:13:42,386
<i>I don't know why I have</i>
<i>to have every conversation on video, man.</i>

6209
05:13:42,470 --> 05:13:44,180
<i>-Tape some animals.</i>
<i>- 'Cause we're making a documentary.</i>

6210
05:13:44,263 --> 05:13:46,808
<i>Not about us getting lost.</i>
<i>We're making a documentary about a witch.</i>

6211
05:13:46,891 --> 05:13:48,768
We got so lucky with this casting.

6212
05:13:48,851 --> 05:13:51,646
I think it was really courageous
of them to go into the woods

6213
05:13:51,729 --> 05:13:54,065
with people in charge that
they didn't know.

6214
05:13:54,148 --> 05:13:56,067
Especially, Heather.
You know, a bunch of guys.

6215
05:13:56,150 --> 05:13:58,778
It could have easily turned
into a snuff film.

6216
05:13:58,861 --> 05:14:00,905
But they trusted us and we trusted them.

6217
05:14:00,988 --> 05:14:03,825
You know, we handed them
the cameras to shoot our movie.

6218
05:14:03,908 --> 05:14:06,536
This experiment that luckily
worked out for us.

6219
05:14:06,619 --> 05:14:09,121
<i>- Whatever it is is gonna come back.</i>
<i>We know that.</i>

6220
05:14:09,205 --> 05:14:11,916
<i>-We don't know that for a fact.</i>
<i>-Well, it came three nights in a row</i>

6221
05:14:11,958 --> 05:14:13,125
<i>and it's getting worse every night.</i>

6222
05:14:13,209 --> 05:14:16,546
We kept the actors like out
of the loop as much as possible.

6223
05:14:16,587 --> 05:14:18,130
We never showed them the script.

6224
05:14:18,214 --> 05:14:21,008
They knew something bad was
gonna happen each night, you know?

6225
05:14:21,092 --> 05:14:23,177
But they had no idea
when it was gonna happen

6226
05:14:23,261 --> 05:14:24,470
or what was gonna happen.

6227
05:14:24,554 --> 05:14:27,223
<i>- Oh my God! What the fuck is that?</i>

6228
05:14:27,306 --> 05:14:28,474
<i>What the fuck is that?</i>

6229
05:14:28,558 --> 05:14:31,686
The bundle of sticks scene.
Not knowing is creepier.

6230
05:14:31,769 --> 05:14:33,646
And it's obviously something bad.

6231
05:14:33,729 --> 05:14:36,065
Her reaction is what sells it.

6232
05:14:39,318 --> 05:14:42,071
The ending of the movie was something
that we came up with

6233
05:14:42,113 --> 05:14:43,865
just a few days before we shot it.

6234
05:14:43,948 --> 05:14:47,285
We were like, "They go into the cellar
and then something creepy happens."

6235
05:14:47,368 --> 05:14:50,288
<i>Come on! I hear him downstairs!</i>

6236
05:14:50,371 --> 05:14:51,998
<i>-No!</i>
<i>-Come on!</i>

6237
05:14:52,081 --> 05:14:55,209
Not everybody was gonna get it,
but we knew that like the people

6238
05:14:55,293 --> 05:14:57,169
that were paying attention
to the beginning

6239
05:14:57,253 --> 05:14:59,505
when they see that, it's gonna
freak them out.

6240
05:14:59,589 --> 05:15:01,132
"And was it real?" And this and that.

6241
05:15:01,215 --> 05:15:05,511
<i>I'm scared to close my eyes.</i>
<i>I'm scared to open them.</i>

6242
05:15:05,595 --> 05:15:08,806
Artisan bought the movie
and they started test screenings

6243
05:15:08,890 --> 05:15:11,434
and they were like, "Hey, uh,
we want you to reshoot the endings.

6244
05:15:11,517 --> 05:15:13,019
Maybe give us a couple alternates."

6245
05:15:13,102 --> 05:15:16,105
The alternate endings were all
just variations on Mike.

6246
05:15:16,188 --> 05:15:18,941
He's on a-- like a stick figure crucifix.

6247
05:15:19,025 --> 05:15:21,527
I think there was one where like
his shirt is opened

6248
05:15:21,611 --> 05:15:23,487
and he's all bloody chested.

6249
05:15:23,571 --> 05:15:25,323
We were just hoping that
they would let us go

6250
05:15:25,406 --> 05:15:27,533
with our original ending
and luckily, they did.

6251
05:15:30,077 --> 05:15:32,580
They really did let us release
our director's cut

6252
05:15:32,663 --> 05:15:35,499
which was an amazing thing
for first-time filmmakers.

6253
05:15:35,583 --> 05:15:37,293
<i>- You're gonna write us</i>
<i>a happy ending, Heather?</i>

6254
05:15:37,376 --> 05:15:41,422
I think at Sundance somebody
copied the tape

6255
05:15:41,505 --> 05:15:44,383
and that was the one that spread
all over Hollywood.

6256
05:15:44,467 --> 05:15:46,218
And pretty much everybody
in the business that I've met

6257
05:15:46,344 --> 05:15:49,597
is like, "Oh, I-- I saw that two months
before it came out", and this and that.

6258
05:15:49,680 --> 05:15:53,059
A bootleg of our movie actually helped
you know, the hype.

6259
05:15:53,142 --> 05:15:55,895
Something that for most movies
is a detriment ended up being

6260
05:15:55,978 --> 05:15:57,647
something that helped us in the end.

6261
05:15:57,730 --> 05:15:59,023
<i>Please help us!</i>

6262
05:15:59,106 --> 05:16:01,817
The marketing was kind
of bittersweet for us,

6263
05:16:01,901 --> 05:16:04,362
because they told us that,
"Oh, we're gonna market it

6264
05:16:04,445 --> 05:16:05,738
as if it was real.

6265
05:16:05,821 --> 05:16:08,324
You know, and we're gonna let
the actors not do interviews

6266
05:16:08,407 --> 05:16:09,575
for about two or three weeks."

6267
05:16:09,659 --> 05:16:11,410
And we figured that they knew
what they were doing.

6268
05:16:11,494 --> 05:16:14,705
I remember when the movie opened
in New York, there's a big line,

6269
05:16:14,789 --> 05:16:16,999
I'm across the street with Mike Williams

6270
05:16:17,083 --> 05:16:20,461
and he's like, "Man, I, you know,
I spent all my life

6271
05:16:20,544 --> 05:16:23,381
you know, being-- wanting to be
an actor and be successful

6272
05:16:23,464 --> 05:16:26,092
and there's literally like
a line around the block

6273
05:16:26,175 --> 05:16:28,552
to see my movie
and I can't go over there."

6274
05:16:28,636 --> 05:16:32,348
But then later on,
they definitely got their spotlight,

6275
05:16:32,431 --> 05:16:34,684
but I think for them,
it was very frustrating

6276
05:16:34,767 --> 05:16:38,270
for the first two weeks or three weeks
not being able to like be seen.

6277
05:16:38,354 --> 05:16:40,189
And also they were getting
a lot of like you know,

6278
05:16:40,272 --> 05:16:43,275
people contacting their families
and saying, "Oh my God,

6279
05:16:43,359 --> 05:16:46,612
you know, I can't believe,
you know, Josh is dead or Heather's dead."

6280
05:16:46,696 --> 05:16:49,323
Looking back on it, we would
have changed a few things,

6281
05:16:49,407 --> 05:16:52,660
you know, just to-- to make things
a little more sane now.

6282
05:16:52,743 --> 05:16:54,787
<i>When you're not home today,</i>
<i>when I'm not home today,</i>

6283
05:16:54,870 --> 05:16:56,956
<i>people are gonna start noticing</i>
<i>like my dad--</i>

6284
05:16:56,998 --> 05:16:59,375
<i>my girlfriend's definitely gonna notice</i>
<i>that I'm not back.</i>

6285
05:16:59,458 --> 05:17:00,835
The movie was so shaky.

6286
05:17:00,918 --> 05:17:03,254
If we had known that the movie
was gonna be in the theaters,

6287
05:17:03,337 --> 05:17:05,464
we would have found some way
to stabilize the video.

6288
05:17:05,548 --> 05:17:08,801
Looking back on it, I think,
you know having like a <i>Blair Witch Project</i>

6289
05:17:08,884 --> 05:17:11,846
barf bag with the stick man
collector's item,

6290
05:17:11,929 --> 05:17:14,390
I think that would have been
something cool to have.

6291
05:17:14,473 --> 05:17:16,434
<i>- There's a fucking witch</i>
<i>and she keeps leaving shit</i>

6292
05:17:16,517 --> 05:17:17,727
<i>outside your door.</i>

6293
05:17:17,810 --> 05:17:19,603
<i>There's no one here to help you.</i>

6294
05:17:19,687 --> 05:17:21,981
<i>She left little trinkets,</i>
<i>you fucking took one of 'em.</i>

6295
05:17:22,064 --> 05:17:25,151
We somehow tapped into something
that you know,

6296
05:17:25,234 --> 05:17:26,485
inspired a lot of people.

6297
05:17:26,569 --> 05:17:28,487
There's so many great found footage movies

6298
05:17:28,571 --> 05:17:32,241
that come after us you know,
<i>Paranormal Activity </i>and <i>Rec</i>,

6299
05:17:32,324 --> 05:17:34,368
and the <i>Europa Report</i>, <i>Host</i>.

6300
05:17:34,452 --> 05:17:35,369
<i>What?</i>

6301
05:17:39,749 --> 05:17:42,168
The parodies were, you know, so much fun.

6302
05:17:42,251 --> 05:17:45,087
<i>Saturday Night Live</i>
and the idea that like you know,

6303
05:17:45,171 --> 05:17:47,715
Scooby-Doo is involved
with the Blair Witch

6304
05:17:47,798 --> 05:17:50,885
was just blew my mind and I still love it.

6305
05:17:50,926 --> 05:17:52,803
<i>- Somebody's been in our backpacks.</i>

6306
05:17:52,887 --> 05:17:55,264
<i>Oh! Scooby-Doo!</i>

6307
05:17:55,347 --> 05:17:57,433
The aftermath of <i>Blair Witch</i> was you know,

6308
05:17:57,516 --> 05:17:59,602
there's a lot of pressure
coming off of like

6309
05:17:59,685 --> 05:18:01,896
this really successful movie.

6310
05:18:01,979 --> 05:18:05,775
This little movie that you made
for like you know 25,000 bucks.

6311
05:18:05,858 --> 05:18:08,444
We all kind of went through
this phase of like having

6312
05:18:08,527 --> 05:18:10,112
a crazy amount of attention

6313
05:18:10,196 --> 05:18:12,907
and then having no attention
at all, you know?

6314
05:18:12,990 --> 05:18:15,451
Almost having to start all
from scratch again.

6315
05:18:15,534 --> 05:18:17,286
The good definitely outweighed the bad.

6316
05:18:17,411 --> 05:18:20,039
Being part of <i>The Blair Witch Project </i>
was such a blessing.

6317
05:18:20,122 --> 05:18:23,626
And then now, there's still so much fandom

6318
05:18:23,709 --> 05:18:26,212
and there's so much excitement
about this movie.

6319
05:18:26,295 --> 05:18:27,838
We lit the flame, you know?

6320
05:18:27,922 --> 05:18:30,466
I never thought I would be
you know, talking about

6321
05:18:30,549 --> 05:18:33,135
one of my movies being this influential.

6322
05:18:33,219 --> 05:18:36,722
It became something that I never
imagined it would become.

6323
05:18:36,806 --> 05:18:40,101
<i>I am so, so sorry…</i>

6324
05:18:41,435 --> 05:18:42,937
<i>for everything that has happened.</i>

6325
05:18:48,692 --> 05:18:50,069
<i>Please make them leave.</i>

6326
05:18:51,570 --> 05:18:52,863
<i>I'm working on it.</i>

6327
05:18:56,117 --> 05:18:58,619
All you need to say is,
"I see dead people",

6328
05:18:58,702 --> 05:19:01,789
and everybody knows exactly
what you're talking about.

6329
05:19:01,872 --> 05:19:03,457
<i>I see dead people.</i>

6330
05:19:03,541 --> 05:19:07,419
<i>The Sixth Sense</i> came out of nowhere
and it blew everyone away.

6331
05:19:07,503 --> 05:19:11,924
Here's this quiet supernatural film
starring Bruce Willis, mind you.

6332
05:19:12,007 --> 05:19:15,970
Nobody expected the impact
it would have on pop culture and cinema.

6333
05:19:18,597 --> 05:19:23,102
Written and directed by M. Night Shyamalan
who was then completely unknown.

6334
05:19:23,185 --> 05:19:27,356
Bruce Willis plays a child psychologist
who has a client

6335
05:19:27,439 --> 05:19:29,859
claiming he can speak to the dead.

6336
05:19:29,942 --> 05:19:34,029
He investigates this claim
and kind of has to come to grips

6337
05:19:34,113 --> 05:19:37,867
with supernatural elements competing
with his medical background

6338
05:19:37,950 --> 05:19:41,203
then a spoiler of an ending
that is 40 years old.

6339
05:19:41,287 --> 05:19:44,915
The cast is rounded out by Toni Collette
who plays the boy's mother.

6340
05:19:44,999 --> 05:19:46,333
<i>Cole, you're scaring me.</i>

6341
05:19:47,626 --> 05:19:49,712
<i>They scare me too sometimes.</i>

6342
05:19:49,795 --> 05:19:51,964
<i>-They?</i>
<i>-Ghosts.</i>

6343
05:19:52,047 --> 05:19:56,218
And of course, Haley Joel Osment
who became a sensation overnight.

6344
05:19:56,302 --> 05:19:58,721
<i>- You shouldn't look at people,</i>
<i>it makes them feel bad.</i>

6345
05:19:58,804 --> 05:20:00,723
<i>--How did you--</i>
<i>-Stop looking at me!</i>

6346
05:20:00,806 --> 05:20:02,474
<i>-Who had--</i>
<i>-Stuttering Stanley!</i>

6347
05:20:02,558 --> 05:20:04,143
<i>Stuttering Stanley!</i>

6348
05:20:04,226 --> 05:20:08,439
The performances in that film
were top notch.

6349
05:20:08,522 --> 05:20:13,068
A single mom. A little boy.
An average situation.

6350
05:20:13,152 --> 05:20:15,196
Something a lot of people can relate to.

6351
05:20:15,279 --> 05:20:17,990
<i>I'm tired in my body.</i>
<i>I'm tired in my mind.</i>

6352
05:20:18,073 --> 05:20:19,408
<i>I'm tired in my heart.</i>

6353
05:20:19,491 --> 05:20:22,286
<i>You know, I don't know if you noticed,</i>
<i>but our little family isn't doing so good.</i>

6354
05:20:22,369 --> 05:20:23,579
It's terrifying for the little boy

6355
05:20:23,662 --> 05:20:27,374
and what he's going through,
but as the moviegoer

6356
05:20:27,458 --> 05:20:29,710
and seeing Bruce Willis' journey.

6357
05:20:29,793 --> 05:20:33,005
We think about it as we get older.

6358
05:20:33,088 --> 05:20:35,674
We're thinking about our mortality.

6359
05:20:35,758 --> 05:20:38,469
What's really on the other side?

6360
05:20:40,137 --> 05:20:43,140
<i>You ever feel the prickly things</i>
<i>on the back of your neck?</i>

6361
05:20:43,224 --> 05:20:44,141
<i>That's them.</i>

6362
05:20:44,225 --> 05:20:47,186
In one fell swoop M. Night Shyamalan
with <i>The Sixth Sense</i>

6363
05:20:47,269 --> 05:20:49,230
changed the course of horror,

6364
05:20:49,313 --> 05:20:53,484
because up until that point
meta films and horror films

6365
05:20:53,567 --> 05:20:55,277
that were commenting on themselves,

6366
05:20:55,361 --> 05:20:59,990
and that were deeply ironic
and postmodern were

6367
05:21:00,074 --> 05:21:03,327
in some ways undermining
what makes horror so potent.

6368
05:21:03,410 --> 05:21:04,954
At our core, we all know we're gonna die

6369
05:21:05,037 --> 05:21:07,790
and I think every horror film
on some level taps into that

6370
05:21:07,873 --> 05:21:11,585
basic existential issue
and with <i>The Sixth Sense,</i>

6371
05:21:11,669 --> 05:21:14,171
we returned to that core fear.

6372
05:21:18,968 --> 05:21:23,597
The brilliance of that screenplay
and that film was

6373
05:21:23,639 --> 05:21:26,684
you never see Bruce truly interacting

6374
05:21:26,767 --> 05:21:29,645
with anyone other than Haley,
because Haley's the only person

6375
05:21:29,728 --> 05:21:33,148
that can see these dead people
which you don't realize at the top.

6376
05:21:33,232 --> 05:21:36,694
<i>Cole has scratches on his arm.</i>

6377
05:21:36,777 --> 05:21:41,115
<i>I think they might be fingernail cuts,</i>
<i>defensive cuts maybe, I don't know. I…</i>

6378
05:21:41,198 --> 05:21:42,825
I still get the chills.

6379
05:21:42,908 --> 05:21:45,577
That feeling I got in the theater

6380
05:21:45,661 --> 05:21:49,665
when he found out that he was dead.

6381
05:21:49,748 --> 05:21:51,292
It was chilling.

6382
05:21:51,375 --> 05:21:52,751
<i>I see people…</i>

6383
05:21:54,295 --> 05:21:55,546
<i>they don't know they're dead.</i>

6384
05:21:55,629 --> 05:21:59,550
To withhold so much information
and truth from the audience

6385
05:21:59,633 --> 05:22:02,344
and then turn it all around
at the very, very end,

6386
05:22:02,428 --> 05:22:04,888
you know, no one had really had
the bravery to do that

6387
05:22:04,972 --> 05:22:07,808
as a filmmaker or as a studio
to kind of stand behind

6388
05:22:07,891 --> 05:22:08,976
that kind of storytelling.

6389
05:22:09,059 --> 05:22:13,647
A clever, clever, clever film
and it's such a cool,

6390
05:22:13,731 --> 05:22:15,691
"Oh my God!", at the end.

6391
05:22:15,774 --> 05:22:19,194
I think M. Night has tried to chase that.

6392
05:22:19,278 --> 05:22:21,155
It's a blessing,
but it's also kind of a curse.

6393
05:22:21,238 --> 05:22:22,740
People are expecting it.

6394
05:22:22,823 --> 05:22:25,534
So now they're, "You know,
you know what he likes to do.

6395
05:22:25,617 --> 05:22:26,577
He likes to trick you."

6396
05:22:26,660 --> 05:22:29,371
Well, good luck, 'cause now
we're all paying attention.

6397
05:22:29,455 --> 05:22:32,624
<i>-Mama.</i>
<i>-Dinner is not ready.</i>

6398
05:22:32,708 --> 05:22:35,169
<i>You can't hurt me anymore!</i>

6399
05:22:35,252 --> 05:22:38,047
It had been a long time since
there was a word-of-mouth movie

6400
05:22:38,130 --> 05:22:40,299
that made you feel like
you were part of the secret.

6401
05:22:40,382 --> 05:22:42,468
That like, once you saw it,
now you're complicit.

6402
05:22:42,551 --> 05:22:44,428
Like now it's your job
to get somebody else to see it,

6403
05:22:44,511 --> 05:22:46,180
but not tell them. Don't ruin it.

6404
05:22:46,263 --> 05:22:48,474
Let that person
have the experience you had,

6405
05:22:48,557 --> 05:22:51,602
which is kind of a secret sauce
in terms of marketing a movie.

6406
05:22:51,685 --> 05:22:54,271
If you can make an audience member
go become your foot soldier,

6407
05:22:54,355 --> 05:22:56,398
you've done something really special
in that case.

6408
05:22:56,482 --> 05:22:58,067
<i>Hey, come on.</i>

6409
05:22:58,150 --> 05:23:00,569
<i>I'll show you where my dad keeps his gun.</i>
<i>Come on.</i>

6410
05:23:02,154 --> 05:23:04,823
My blockbuster had 200 copies of it.

6411
05:23:04,907 --> 05:23:07,951
It was such a big cultural phenomenon

6412
05:23:08,035 --> 05:23:12,790
that the video store chain used it
as their big thing of like,

6413
05:23:12,873 --> 05:23:15,000
"See the movie before someone
spoils the twist."

6414
05:23:16,293 --> 05:23:18,337
<i>It doesn't even hurt anymore.</i>

6415
05:23:18,420 --> 05:23:21,298
That movie is all about death.
The whole film. Every frame of it.

6416
05:23:21,382 --> 05:23:26,595
And it has this beautiful somber
and yet deeply emotional tone to it.

6417
05:23:26,678 --> 05:23:29,390
Really made horror films serious again.

6418
05:23:29,473 --> 05:23:32,893
Made them about something.
Not just about themselves.

6419
05:23:32,976 --> 05:23:34,520
<i>I think I can go now.</i>

6420
05:23:40,734 --> 05:23:42,486
<i>I want you to shut it.</i>

6421
05:23:45,197 --> 05:23:48,367
The ghost story has never died.
And never will die.

6422
05:23:48,450 --> 05:23:50,994
And there have always been people
who bring something new,

6423
05:23:51,078 --> 05:23:52,663
and fresh, and exciting into it.

6424
05:23:54,123 --> 05:23:57,209
<i>Stir of Echoes</i> was based on a novel
by Richard Matheson.

6425
05:23:57,292 --> 05:24:01,713
It's David Koepp, the writer director
also wrote <i>Jurassic Park</i> screenplay.

6426
05:24:01,797 --> 05:24:03,006
Starring Kevin Bacon.

6427
05:24:03,841 --> 05:24:05,884
<i>What was it then? An hallucination?</i>

6428
05:24:05,968 --> 05:24:08,137
<i>Yeah. Yeah. A bunch of 'em.</i>
<i>It's hard to explain.</i>

6429
05:24:08,220 --> 05:24:09,972
<i>It's like all these thoughts</i>
<i>just kept coming.</i>

6430
05:24:10,055 --> 05:24:12,891
Richard Matheson.
One of the great genre writers.

6431
05:24:12,975 --> 05:24:14,351
He wrote the classic
<i>Twilight Zone</i> episode,

6432
05:24:14,435 --> 05:24:17,146
one of the greatest ones ever,
<i>Nightmare at 20,000 Feet</i>.

6433
05:24:19,606 --> 05:24:21,358
Is credited with possibly creating

6434
05:24:21,442 --> 05:24:23,777
post-apocalyptic literature
with <i>I Am Legend</i>.

6435
05:24:23,861 --> 05:24:27,531
And he wrote this great story
that would then be ripped off

6436
05:24:27,614 --> 05:24:31,827
for decades by other horror
writers called, "<i>Stir of Echoes".</i>

6437
05:24:33,829 --> 05:24:35,456
<i>What the hell was that?</i>

6438
05:24:35,539 --> 05:24:39,168
It's a story of a guy who starts
experiencing things in his house

6439
05:24:39,251 --> 05:24:42,880
and his kid starts seeing
a spirit around the house.

6440
05:24:42,963 --> 05:24:44,756
<i>Does it hurt to be dead?</i>

6441
05:24:44,840 --> 05:24:47,050
- The question is,
"Is the kid psychologically broken?

6442
05:24:47,134 --> 05:24:48,469
Is there something going on?"

6443
05:24:48,552 --> 05:24:52,306
And the investigation
into this spirit in a house.

6444
05:24:53,432 --> 05:24:56,852
- It's a terrific and surprising
ghost story

6445
05:24:56,935 --> 05:25:00,772
about a young woman who was murdered
whose body was never found

6446
05:25:00,856 --> 05:25:03,108
and so her soul was never set free.

6447
05:25:05,277 --> 05:25:09,907
It has elements of an EC Comic story,
but it is so much deeper than that.

6448
05:25:09,990 --> 05:25:12,034
It's chipping away at what's bothering you

6449
05:25:12,117 --> 05:25:14,119
and getting in your head
and you don't know what it is,

6450
05:25:14,203 --> 05:25:15,537
and it's something horrific.

6451
05:25:15,621 --> 05:25:17,331
<i>Why are you digging?</i>

6452
05:25:17,414 --> 05:25:22,377
<i>Question, Maggie, as you can plainly see</i>
<i>I am very busy trying to answer.</i>

6453
05:25:22,461 --> 05:25:23,795
<i>The question is where?</i>

6454
05:25:23,879 --> 05:25:26,298
It's blue collar. It's realistic.

6455
05:25:26,381 --> 05:25:29,760
It's mysterious. And it's heartbreaking.

6456
05:25:29,843 --> 05:25:31,178
<i>Samantha is my oldest daughter.</i>

6457
05:25:31,261 --> 05:25:32,888
<i>-She ran away about six months ago.</i>
<i>-No, she didn't run away.</i>

6458
05:25:32,971 --> 05:25:35,641
<i>She was kidnapped or something</i>
<i>and the little boy said he saw her.</i>

6459
05:25:35,724 --> 05:25:38,769
It stirs that in-between world.

6460
05:25:38,852 --> 05:25:42,272
So I was so terrified watching it.

6461
05:25:42,356 --> 05:25:45,609
<i>-Look at the screen.</i>
<i>-Okay.</i>

6462
05:25:45,692 --> 05:25:48,904
- I love movies that make you hurt
and this is a movie

6463
05:25:48,987 --> 05:25:51,198
that makes you hurt
in a very emotional sense.

6464
05:25:51,281 --> 05:25:53,825
<i>This is the most important thing</i>
<i>that's ever happened to me</i>

6465
05:25:53,909 --> 05:25:56,411
<i>in my whole life, in my whole stupid life.</i>

6466
05:25:56,495 --> 05:26:00,415
The irony of <i>Stir of Echoes</i>
being a great film,

6467
05:26:00,499 --> 05:26:04,211
coming out around the exact
same time as <i>Sixth Sense</i>

6468
05:26:04,294 --> 05:26:05,462
and being a blip.

6469
05:26:05,546 --> 05:26:07,923
It just didn't connect until years later

6470
05:26:08,006 --> 05:26:10,133
when people could put
those two movies together,

6471
05:26:10,217 --> 05:26:12,511
watch them back to back,
compare and contrast,

6472
05:26:12,594 --> 05:26:15,097
and see that they were two
very different movies

6473
05:26:15,180 --> 05:26:16,598
drawing from the same inspiration.

6474
05:26:16,682 --> 05:26:20,227
But what a good film it is
and so underrated.

6475
05:26:31,113 --> 05:26:33,407
<i>Limbo</i>, directed by Tina Krause.

6476
05:26:33,490 --> 05:26:36,118
Tina Krause is known for being
in WAVE movies.

6477
05:26:36,201 --> 05:26:38,620
WAVE, W-A-V-E, it's an acronym.

6478
05:26:38,745 --> 05:26:43,542
These are movies that are basically
a send-away video production.

6479
05:26:43,584 --> 05:26:46,128
You make a script and you send it
to this production company

6480
05:26:46,211 --> 05:26:47,170
and they'll make it for you.

6481
05:26:47,254 --> 05:26:49,715
Almost always there's some
element of fetish.

6482
05:26:49,798 --> 05:26:52,551
There's almost always nudity
and girls getting undressed.

6483
05:26:52,634 --> 05:26:56,179
And for some reason,
a lot of girls drowning in quicksand.

6484
05:26:57,973 --> 05:27:00,559
Tina Krause appears
in a little WAVE movie called,

6485
05:27:00,642 --> 05:27:02,728
"<i>Eaten Alive: A Tasteful Revenge</i>".

6486
05:27:02,811 --> 05:27:05,731
Where women are shrinking each other
and then get eaten.

6487
05:27:05,814 --> 05:27:07,774
<i>Stop! Oh God, no!</i>

6488
05:27:07,858 --> 05:27:10,235
- It's easy to excuse her as somebody
who's just like,

6489
05:27:10,319 --> 05:27:12,904
you know, doing these silly little movies
in New Jersey,

6490
05:27:12,988 --> 05:27:15,157
but she's actually a great filmmaker.

6491
05:27:15,240 --> 05:27:17,242
And <i>Limbo</i> is a great example of something

6492
05:27:17,326 --> 05:27:19,369
that she did on her own.
It's shot on video.

6493
05:27:19,453 --> 05:27:23,081
It's about a woman's descent
into madness and being in limbo.

6494
05:27:23,165 --> 05:27:24,625
<i>Time means nothing anymore.</i>

6495
05:27:24,708 --> 05:27:25,917
<i>We're all gonna rot here.</i>

6496
05:27:26,001 --> 05:27:27,419
<i>You can't stop it!</i>

6497
05:27:27,502 --> 05:27:32,049
It feels like a Nine Inch Nails video shot
in an abandoned warehouse in New Jersey.

6498
05:27:33,550 --> 05:27:37,471
It's this fever dream of hers that
she is working through on camera.

6499
05:27:37,554 --> 05:27:40,057
<i>See what you've done?</i>
<i>Now see it through my eyes!</i>

6500
05:27:40,140 --> 05:27:41,850
This is a passion project for her.

6501
05:27:41,933 --> 05:27:45,062
She had submitted to a bunch of festivals
and had gotten rejected.

6502
05:27:45,145 --> 05:27:46,438
And somebody said, like,

6503
05:27:46,521 --> 05:27:50,067
"Why don't you change the name
on the movie, so it's not yours?"

6504
05:27:50,150 --> 05:27:52,319
And so she did, and then it got in.

6505
05:27:55,280 --> 05:27:57,991
So she was dealing with
a lot of like, sexism.

6506
05:27:58,075 --> 05:28:00,035
A lot of people
who didn't take her seriously.

6507
05:28:00,118 --> 05:28:01,244
<i>Get off of me!</i>

6508
05:28:01,328 --> 05:28:03,580
<i>-Baby. Come on, baby.</i>
<i>-Don't touch me. Disgusting!</i>

6509
05:28:03,664 --> 05:28:04,623
I love this movie.

6510
05:28:04,706 --> 05:28:07,751
It is experimental in a way
that I think a lot of people

6511
05:28:07,834 --> 05:28:09,044
don't give it credit for.

6512
05:28:09,127 --> 05:28:11,046
And Tina Krause is an incredible person.

6513
05:28:11,129 --> 05:28:14,299
She is a spitfire.
She is punk reincarnated.

6514
05:28:14,383 --> 05:28:15,634
Doing this all on her own.

6515
05:28:15,717 --> 05:28:17,803
She's getting to fight
with like, people who are, you know,

6516
05:28:17,886 --> 05:28:20,472
coming into the production,
who shouldn't be there.

6517
05:28:20,555 --> 05:28:23,475
She takes everything seriously
and she loves doing what she does.

6518
05:28:23,558 --> 05:28:25,477
She should be taken seriously
as a filmmaker.

6519
05:28:25,560 --> 05:28:28,063
<i>Feeling a little queasy?</i>

6520
05:28:39,157 --> 05:28:41,702
Oh, <i>Audition</i>'s a whole another thing. Yo.

6521
05:28:43,829 --> 05:28:46,998
Takashi Miike is a filmmaker
who is tremendously prolific.

6522
05:28:47,082 --> 05:28:48,625
To call him prolific is an understatement.

6523
05:28:48,709 --> 05:28:50,502
He would make up to five films a year.

6524
05:28:50,585 --> 05:28:54,339
Many of them in a horror space
or a horror adjacent.

6525
05:28:58,969 --> 05:29:01,680
<i>- Audition</i> is probably
one of his best-known

6526
05:29:01,763 --> 05:29:02,931
and appreciated movies.

6527
05:29:10,480 --> 05:29:14,276
This quiet and intense movie,
<i>Audition</i>, I think changed a lot.

6528
05:29:14,359 --> 05:29:17,446
The whole idea of casting a girlfriend

6529
05:29:17,529 --> 05:29:20,323
comes from the Japanese hierarchy system.

6530
05:29:25,162 --> 05:29:27,456
It starts out like a romantic comedy

6531
05:29:27,539 --> 05:29:31,001
and then it just turns dark
as dark can be.

6532
05:29:31,084 --> 05:29:32,002
Just pitch black.

6533
05:29:39,843 --> 05:29:42,179
The nicest of the two guys ends up having

6534
05:29:42,262 --> 05:29:44,848
the worst experience
you could possibly have.

6535
05:29:46,683 --> 05:29:51,354
- Not only was she a female villain,
she also was very fragile.

6536
05:29:51,438 --> 05:29:53,899
You wouldn't know what she was capable of.

6537
05:29:56,276 --> 05:29:59,488
It has this one moment
where the whole movie turns.

6538
05:29:59,571 --> 05:30:01,323
The guy is trying to call the girl

6539
05:30:01,406 --> 05:30:03,742
and the phone is ringing,
the phone is ringing.

6540
05:30:03,825 --> 05:30:07,245
And there's this canvas bag
and all of a sudden, it just moves.

6541
05:30:09,998 --> 05:30:11,625
You just go, "Whoa!"

6542
05:30:11,666 --> 05:30:15,378
It's a brilliant, brilliant,
absolutely brilliant moment of horror.

6543
05:30:19,299 --> 05:30:20,926
It is a slow burn.

6544
05:30:21,009 --> 05:30:24,971
But for that reason, the tension
ratchets up to a level

6545
05:30:25,055 --> 05:30:28,683
that when it finally comes,
it's a totally wild, cathartic experience.

6546
05:30:35,315 --> 05:30:39,694
The torture she's giving this main actor
is so painful and effective,

6547
05:30:39,778 --> 05:30:42,697
because you can imagine what it feels like

6548
05:30:42,781 --> 05:30:45,909
when someone sticks a needle,
you know, in your belly.

6549
05:30:48,995 --> 05:30:51,748
It was rough. It was really rough.

6550
05:30:51,832 --> 05:30:53,124
Oh, lord.

6551
05:30:57,462 --> 05:31:02,467
This character takes amazing
glee in her actions.

6552
05:31:02,551 --> 05:31:05,971
Using piano wire like
you've never seen it used before.

6553
05:31:06,054 --> 05:31:10,392
It's horrifying and kind of hilarious
at the same time.

6554
05:31:13,728 --> 05:31:15,021
"Kiri kiri kiri."

6555
05:31:18,108 --> 05:31:21,570
- Why are the Japanese people
so afraid of women?

6556
05:31:21,653 --> 05:31:23,488
There must be some revolution going on.

6557
05:31:23,572 --> 05:31:25,574
Some feministic subplot, you know?

6558
05:31:30,704 --> 05:31:35,292
I think in the sort of post-MeToo era,
<i>Audition </i>is extremely relevant.

6559
05:31:35,375 --> 05:31:38,169
Like, that film has become
only more potent

6560
05:31:38,253 --> 05:31:41,464
in our current era and I think
blew people's minds at the time,

6561
05:31:41,548 --> 05:31:43,842
because there just wasn't anything
like it in America.

6562
05:31:45,886 --> 05:31:49,139
<i>Audition</i> sits in a very interesting place

6563
05:31:49,180 --> 05:31:52,058
within discussions of
whether or not it's feminist

6564
05:31:52,142 --> 05:31:54,144
and whether or not it's misogynist.

6565
05:31:54,227 --> 05:31:56,688
And I think the fact that
it doesn't fall very neatly

6566
05:31:56,771 --> 05:31:59,858
into one bucket or the other
is among its many charms.

6567
05:31:59,941 --> 05:32:02,068
<i>You… are beautiful.</i>

6568
05:32:02,152 --> 05:32:05,196
<i>Love me and nobody else.</i>

6569
05:32:05,280 --> 05:32:07,741
We really come to sympathize
with the protagonist

6570
05:32:07,824 --> 05:32:10,243
that he is truly trying to find true love.

6571
05:32:10,327 --> 05:32:12,412
He's a good guy. He treats her well.

6572
05:32:12,495 --> 05:32:15,916
But at the same time,
Asami is the monster that she is,

6573
05:32:15,999 --> 05:32:20,086
because of sexism, because
of patriarchy, because of misogyny,

6574
05:32:20,170 --> 05:32:23,048
because of a lifetime
of objectification and abuse.

6575
05:32:23,131 --> 05:32:24,966
So it kind of rides that line.

6576
05:32:30,013 --> 05:32:33,350
It kind of feels like uh,
disgruntled actors got together

6577
05:32:33,433 --> 05:32:37,437
and decided to make a movie
about the nightmares of auditioning.

6578
05:32:37,520 --> 05:32:40,065
And it's not far off, you know?
It's really not.

6579
05:32:47,656 --> 05:32:50,742
It's punishment for the casting couch.
That's what <i>Audition</i> is.

6580
05:32:50,825 --> 05:32:52,160
"You know, you're gonna mess with actors

6581
05:32:52,243 --> 05:32:54,746
and just manipulate them,
so you can have sex with them?

6582
05:32:54,829 --> 05:32:57,874
Well, then we're gonna cut
your freaking feet off."

6583
05:32:57,958 --> 05:33:01,378
It was so impressive that
that's why I hired Takeshi Miike

6584
05:33:01,461 --> 05:33:03,505
to do one of the <i>Masters of Horror</i>
episodes,

6585
05:33:03,588 --> 05:33:06,299
which was every bit as harrowing,
in fact, to the point

6586
05:33:06,341 --> 05:33:09,386
where Showtime wouldn't even air it
when it was made.

6587
05:33:22,941 --> 05:33:26,361
The first horror film that kind
of crossed the desk, you know,

6588
05:33:26,444 --> 05:33:28,571
if you will, it was <i>The First Power</i>.

6589
05:33:28,655 --> 05:33:32,409
And there was a lot that made me
very, very excited about that.

6590
05:33:33,660 --> 05:33:35,412
Not only was this horror,
but they were asking me

6591
05:33:35,495 --> 05:33:38,707
to be the lead back in the day,
and even to a certain extent now,

6592
05:33:38,790 --> 05:33:42,252
you know, Hollywood almost has to justify
an ethnic person being a role.

6593
05:33:42,335 --> 05:33:44,671
And it's one of the few in my filmography

6594
05:33:44,754 --> 05:33:48,550
that I would 100% go back to and say,
"Let's do a sequel to this."

6595
05:33:48,633 --> 05:33:49,843
<i>Tess, there's nothing out there.</i>

6596
05:33:52,262 --> 05:33:55,098
Like Hitchcock's <i>Birds</i>,
<i>Bats</i> is about bats.

6597
05:33:56,975 --> 05:33:59,310
It's about nature gone awry
and our inability

6598
05:33:59,394 --> 05:34:00,854
to defend ourselves against it.

6599
05:34:02,981 --> 05:34:06,109
<i>Bats</i> is a wonderful throwback
to the creature features of the '50s,

6600
05:34:06,192 --> 05:34:07,652
but builds on that, I think, a little bit.

6601
05:34:07,736 --> 05:34:10,071
Here we have a requisite,
you know, mad scientist who,

6602
05:34:10,155 --> 05:34:11,948
for whatever reason, you know, starts uh,

6603
05:34:12,032 --> 05:34:14,617
genetically mutating bats,
and you know, I mean,

6604
05:34:14,701 --> 05:34:15,785
what could go wrong?

6605
05:34:19,748 --> 05:34:23,001
Bob Gunton brought amazing gravitas to it.

6606
05:34:23,084 --> 05:34:25,045
<i>You've somehow increased</i>
<i>their natural intelligence.</i>

6607
05:34:25,170 --> 05:34:26,796
<i>And their ability to work together.</i>

6608
05:34:26,838 --> 05:34:28,048
<i>Why would you do that?</i>

6609
05:34:28,131 --> 05:34:30,216
<i>Because I'm a scientist.</i>
<i>That's what we do.</i>

6610
05:34:30,300 --> 05:34:34,012
Dina Meyer comes on,
and she brings a lot of genre cred,

6611
05:34:34,095 --> 05:34:35,680
you know, after <i>Starship Troopers</i>
and whatnot.

6612
05:34:35,764 --> 05:34:37,599
And she's, you know, action-film ready.

6613
05:34:41,811 --> 05:34:44,439
Leon, who does not have a full name.

6614
05:34:44,522 --> 05:34:46,316
By the way, you know,
try calling the hotel

6615
05:34:46,399 --> 05:34:47,609
and asking for Leon.

6616
05:34:49,360 --> 05:34:51,738
And the you know,
receptionist says, "Leon who?"

6617
05:34:51,821 --> 05:34:54,491
"I don't know. I think it's just Leon."

6618
05:34:54,574 --> 05:34:55,825
<i>Clip their wings?</i>

6619
05:34:55,909 --> 05:34:58,036
<i>Would you shoot their damn heads off?</i>
<i>And don't miss.</i>

6620
05:34:58,119 --> 05:35:03,124
These are real, ordinary people
thrown into extraordinary,

6621
05:35:03,208 --> 05:35:06,044
sometimes even supernatural situations.

6622
05:35:08,505 --> 05:35:12,217
The characters have to be grounded,
or you don't buy the premise.

6623
05:35:12,300 --> 05:35:13,718
<i>I tell you, I'm not gonna let 'em</i>
<i>blow my town</i>

6624
05:35:13,802 --> 05:35:15,595
<i>off the face of the earth without a fight.</i>

6625
05:35:15,678 --> 05:35:16,638
<i>People got their homes here.</i>

6626
05:35:16,721 --> 05:35:18,890
<i>It's my job to make sure they got</i>
<i>something to come back to.</i>

6627
05:35:18,973 --> 05:35:21,351
The budget of <i>Bats</i> was like
$5 to $6 million, you know?

6628
05:35:21,434 --> 05:35:23,103
I mean, it-- it-- it was not big.

6629
05:35:23,186 --> 05:35:26,689
Louis Morneau, and I have
to credit George Mooradian, the DP,

6630
05:35:26,773 --> 05:35:29,692
I really, really think
they elevated that film.

6631
05:35:29,776 --> 05:35:32,070
They pumped up the color.
They pumped up the action.

6632
05:35:32,153 --> 05:35:34,114
The cinematography was fantastic.

6633
05:35:34,155 --> 05:35:35,740
They really upped the game,

6634
05:35:35,824 --> 05:35:38,201
and I watched them do that
on a daily basis.

6635
05:35:41,204 --> 05:35:42,497
<i>Bats</i> has a big scope, you know?

6636
05:35:42,580 --> 05:35:45,083
So big skies, lots of black things
flying around.

6637
05:35:45,166 --> 05:35:47,585
And I actually created a sound
out of bat wings,

6638
05:35:47,669 --> 05:35:49,921
made it electronic,
and tried to make a swarm,

6639
05:35:50,004 --> 05:35:51,089
and things like that.

6640
05:35:52,966 --> 05:35:55,051
I was a great lover of Penderecki,
so I thought,

6641
05:35:55,135 --> 05:35:58,513
"Well, I'll try and mix bat wings
with Penderecki, and see what happens."

6642
05:36:00,932 --> 05:36:02,350
- Filmed it in Utah.

6643
05:36:02,433 --> 05:36:05,145
You know, it's--
it's set in a small Texas town,

6644
05:36:05,228 --> 05:36:06,729
but okay, let's go to Utah.

6645
05:36:06,813 --> 05:36:08,982
<i>What in heaven's name is going on here?</i>

6646
05:36:09,065 --> 05:36:11,109
<i>Well, as far as we can tell,</i>
<i>we think this was done</i>

6647
05:36:11,192 --> 05:36:12,110
<i>by some sort of…</i>

6648
05:36:13,611 --> 05:36:15,405
<i>-bats.</i>
-One bat.

6649
05:36:15,488 --> 05:36:19,993
Only one real bat in the entire making
of the film <i>Bats</i>,

6650
05:36:20,076 --> 05:36:21,661
and that was the little cute guy
in the beginning.

6651
05:36:21,744 --> 05:36:24,747
The rest of them, it was puppetry,
the big ones, and CGI.

6652
05:36:27,333 --> 05:36:30,545
Because it was so much night shooting,
we were on splits.

6653
05:36:30,628 --> 05:36:32,589
Literally, you know,
from the beginning of the schedule.

6654
05:36:32,672 --> 05:36:34,883
So, I mean, you're living like a vampire.

6655
05:36:34,966 --> 05:36:35,967
You know, you go to work at noon,

6656
05:36:36,050 --> 05:36:38,636
you don't get off till, you know,
midnight or 1:00 or something.

6657
05:36:38,720 --> 05:36:40,471
And so, it was a bit of a fever dream.

6658
05:36:41,890 --> 05:36:43,308
<i>No!</i>

6659
05:36:43,391 --> 05:36:45,602
We shot in a real silver mine.
I mean, it was ridiculous.

6660
05:36:45,685 --> 05:36:47,312
We were like a mile below the surface.

6661
05:36:47,395 --> 05:36:50,523
Highly claustrophobic.
I mean, you know, it took us 10 minutes

6662
05:36:50,607 --> 05:36:52,775
in a blackened elevator to get
to the bottom.

6663
05:36:52,859 --> 05:36:54,194
I mean, that's a little freaky.

6664
05:36:56,946 --> 05:36:59,073
The town was Magna, Utah.

6665
05:36:59,157 --> 05:37:00,783
I'm in the middle of Main Street Magna,

6666
05:37:00,867 --> 05:37:04,913
and Louis gives me this gun with
like, 13 rounds in it. Blanks.

6667
05:37:04,996 --> 05:37:07,248
"Listen, just-- just shoot
and wherever you shoot,

6668
05:37:07,332 --> 05:37:09,667
don't worry, you won't miss.
I'll make sure you hit a bat."

6669
05:37:09,751 --> 05:37:10,919
Sure enough, "Action."

6670
05:37:14,255 --> 05:37:16,007
Roll under the pickup. You know?

6671
05:37:18,635 --> 05:37:20,970
And you know, like, 500 people, "Whoa!"

6672
05:37:21,012 --> 05:37:22,430
Standing ovation.

6673
05:37:22,513 --> 05:37:26,267
And I felt like, you know,
Martin Landau playing Bela Lugosi

6674
05:37:26,351 --> 05:37:28,770
wrestling the big, giant octopus.

6675
05:37:28,853 --> 05:37:30,104
It's like, "Wow.

6676
05:37:30,188 --> 05:37:32,899
I'm a grown-ass man,
and this is what I do for a living."

6677
05:37:32,982 --> 05:37:34,150
You know?

6678
05:37:36,653 --> 05:37:38,029
You gotta commit to the bit.

6679
05:37:38,112 --> 05:37:39,239
<i>Stay calm!</i>

6680
05:37:42,450 --> 05:37:45,578
And yes, they-- they're playing <i>Nosferatu</i>
in the town cinema.

6681
05:37:45,662 --> 05:37:47,330
I don't know of a little,
small town in Texas

6682
05:37:47,413 --> 05:37:49,916
that would ever play <i>Nosferatu</i>.

6683
05:37:49,999 --> 05:37:51,834
You know, most people go,
"What, what is that?

6684
05:37:51,918 --> 05:37:53,378
Is that-- it that a Mexican dish?

6685
05:37:53,461 --> 05:37:56,130
I'd like some Nosferatu
with some chilaquiles."

6686
05:37:56,214 --> 05:37:57,882
It knew what it was supposed to be.

6687
05:37:57,966 --> 05:38:01,761
And <i>Bats</i> achieved everything
I think that it set out to achieve.

6688
05:38:01,844 --> 05:38:05,223
So much so that it got a sequel
that they didn't call me for.

6689
05:38:05,306 --> 05:38:07,767
But that went straight to video.

6690
05:38:11,437 --> 05:38:12,522
This film was released in theaters

6691
05:38:12,605 --> 05:38:14,023
and actually, you know,
it did fairly well.

6692
05:38:14,107 --> 05:38:15,775
I think it opened up in the top five

6693
05:38:15,858 --> 05:38:18,236
and made its money back
very, very quickly.

6694
05:38:18,319 --> 05:38:21,990
Decades later,
<i>Bats</i> has a lot of fans out there,

6695
05:38:22,073 --> 05:38:23,992
because they really, really
enjoyed the film.

6696
05:38:24,075 --> 05:38:27,328
And to me, that's a testament
to the filmmakers

6697
05:38:27,412 --> 05:38:30,373
and what we were trying to do,
if it stands the test of time.

6698
05:38:30,456 --> 05:38:33,042
And people continue to discover it,
and they continue to enjoy it.

6699
05:38:33,126 --> 05:38:36,587
<i>Are you kidding me?</i>
<i>I am not up to my chest in bat shit!</i>

6700
05:38:47,432 --> 05:38:49,934
<i>House on Haunted Hill </i>
is about a group of people

6701
05:38:50,018 --> 05:38:52,812
who are invited to a party
at this mansion,

6702
05:38:52,895 --> 05:38:55,898
which actually turns out to be
a former mental institution.

6703
05:39:00,403 --> 05:39:04,282
And they wind up getting locked in
and they have to survive the night.

6704
05:39:04,365 --> 05:39:07,827
And if they do survive,
they can get a $1 million each.

6705
05:39:07,910 --> 05:39:09,454
<i>We get paid this money when?</i>

6706
05:39:09,537 --> 05:39:11,122
<i>The second the sun hits tomorrow morning.</i>

6707
05:39:11,205 --> 05:39:15,752
<i>Assuming you've stayed the entire night</i>
<i>and that you're still alive, of course.</i>

6708
05:39:15,835 --> 05:39:17,920
Of course, we know what's gonna happen.

6709
05:39:23,134 --> 05:39:26,304
Gil Adler, I had worked with him
on <i>Freddy's Nightmares</i>.

6710
05:39:26,387 --> 05:39:30,058
Later on, he became a producer
on <i>Tales from the Crypt</i>.

6711
05:39:30,141 --> 05:39:33,186
And so I did an episode called,
"<i>Only Skin Deep</i>",

6712
05:39:33,269 --> 05:39:37,106
which God bless him,
Bob Zemeckis flipped out over.

6713
05:39:39,233 --> 05:39:43,237
Then Joel Silver,
and Bob Zemeckis, and Gil

6714
05:39:43,321 --> 05:39:46,157
asked me if I could develop
<i>House on Haunted Hill</i>,

6715
05:39:46,240 --> 05:39:50,912
'cause they had gotten the rights
to the William Castle catalog of films.

6716
05:39:53,539 --> 05:39:55,124
- Met with his daughter, Terry Castle,

6717
05:39:55,208 --> 05:39:57,210
who couldn't have been nicer,
and she loved the idea

6718
05:39:57,293 --> 05:39:59,379
that we wanted to take
some of those movies

6719
05:39:59,462 --> 05:40:01,422
and remake them
as <i>Tales from the Crypt</i> movies.

6720
05:40:01,506 --> 05:40:03,383
Bill had done a number
of <i>Tales from the Crypt</i>,

6721
05:40:03,466 --> 05:40:06,052
and he's a very underrated
director, in my opinion.

6722
05:40:06,135 --> 05:40:07,637
This new company, Dark Castle.

6723
05:40:07,720 --> 05:40:11,432
It just felt like, okay,
this was a new and different arena,

6724
05:40:11,516 --> 05:40:12,850
and we'll call it something different.

6725
05:40:12,934 --> 05:40:16,813
<i>And on that mercenary note,</i>
<i>dear friends, let the games begin.</i>

6726
05:40:16,896 --> 05:40:18,398
The first script was a disaster.

6727
05:40:18,481 --> 05:40:21,067
That was Dick Beebe, who was a lovely guy,

6728
05:40:21,150 --> 05:40:23,152
but he had a little problem
with the tubes.

6729
05:40:23,236 --> 05:40:26,030
I think he wrote the first draft
like the night before.

6730
05:40:26,114 --> 05:40:29,659
I said, "Let's go watch the original,
write down everything we love about it."

6731
05:40:29,742 --> 05:40:31,702
And the only thing that came up
that we were disappointed in

6732
05:40:31,786 --> 05:40:33,871
was the fact that there were
no real ghosts in the movie.

6733
05:40:33,955 --> 05:40:36,499
So I said, "Let's put real ghosts
in this time."

6734
05:40:38,793 --> 05:40:41,879
I really wanted to make a movie
that was like gothic, and dark,

6735
05:40:41,963 --> 05:40:44,424
and just like dripping
with atmosphere and stuff.

6736
05:40:44,507 --> 05:40:46,884
I wanted Geoffrey Rush to play the lead.

6737
05:40:46,968 --> 05:40:49,262
When I met Geoffrey, I said,

6738
05:40:49,345 --> 05:40:51,431
"Why do you want to be in a horror film?"

6739
05:40:51,514 --> 05:40:54,767
And he said, "Well, I'm tired
of playing men in tights.

6740
05:40:54,851 --> 05:40:56,144
I want to be an action hero."

6741
05:40:56,227 --> 05:40:58,187
And I said, "I'm your guy."

6742
05:40:59,272 --> 05:41:01,190
<i>You think I'd invite that bunch</i>
<i>of social rejects?</i>

6743
05:41:01,232 --> 05:41:03,109
<i>Sure know, it wasn't me.</i>
<i>And if you say it wasn't you,</i>

6744
05:41:03,192 --> 05:41:05,570
<i>then who the hell did, Evelyn?</i>
<i>Ghosts?</i>

6745
05:41:05,653 --> 05:41:09,073
We wanted the characters to be,
at least pay attention

6746
05:41:09,157 --> 05:41:12,118
to what was going on, you know,
in the society at the time.

6747
05:41:12,201 --> 05:41:15,997
The doctor who's a little sleazy,
a fallen athlete,

6748
05:41:16,080 --> 05:41:18,875
a newscaster who was trying
to be rich and famous.

6749
05:41:18,958 --> 05:41:20,418
Nothing has changed really.

6750
05:41:20,501 --> 05:41:24,005
In fact, it was maybe portending
of things to come.

6751
05:41:24,088 --> 05:41:26,257
<i>If I can just get something</i>
<i>bizarre enough on tape,</i>

6752
05:41:26,340 --> 05:41:28,092
<i>I think I can parlay it</i>
<i>into getting myself</i>

6753
05:41:28,176 --> 05:41:30,553
<i>some sort of a wackiest home videos gig.</i>

6754
05:41:30,636 --> 05:41:34,891
The biggest challenge on this,
on <i>House on Haunted Hill </i>was surviving it.

6755
05:41:34,974 --> 05:41:35,975
That's the truth.

6756
05:41:36,058 --> 05:41:40,062
There was just a lot of personalities
involved that were difficult.

6757
05:41:40,146 --> 05:41:42,857
And it made it a very challenging shoot.

6758
05:41:44,609 --> 05:41:47,153
Most of the effects were done by KNB,

6759
05:41:47,236 --> 05:41:49,489
which is Nicotero and his crew.

6760
05:41:49,572 --> 05:41:51,991
<i>What do you think, Dr. Vannacutt?</i>

6761
05:41:53,784 --> 05:41:57,914
In <i>Ghost Story</i>, there was this face
that Dick Smith did

6762
05:41:57,997 --> 05:42:02,001
that had just a mouth and teeth
and it was like a screaming head.

6763
05:42:02,084 --> 05:42:05,171
Bill loved that image so much
that he made a deal

6764
05:42:05,254 --> 05:42:07,048
for the rights to it.

6765
05:42:07,089 --> 05:42:08,549
And then we had to recreate that.

6766
05:42:08,633 --> 05:42:12,053
Just something cool that we got
to redo a Dick Smith creation.

6767
05:42:14,180 --> 05:42:17,517
The film at the time got criticized
for too much CG

6768
05:42:17,600 --> 05:42:19,519
and there wasn't,
there was only two shots.

6769
05:42:19,602 --> 05:42:22,563
The sort of ghost plasma
goes up the stairs.

6770
05:42:22,647 --> 05:42:25,816
<i>Where are you going?</i>
<i>You have to stay for my show.</i>

6771
05:42:25,900 --> 05:42:28,528
The only other CG
is just where I think the rope

6772
05:42:28,611 --> 05:42:30,863
at the end is burning
and for whatever reason,

6773
05:42:30,947 --> 05:42:33,324
they decided to do that as a CG shot.

6774
05:42:34,575 --> 05:42:37,828
The rest of it's all in camera.
All the effects that you see.

6775
05:42:37,912 --> 05:42:40,873
Now it's so common that uh,
you know, people think that

6776
05:42:40,957 --> 05:42:42,708
they're seeing CG when they're not.

6777
05:42:42,792 --> 05:42:45,711
<i>Pritchett was right. The house is alive.</i>

6778
05:42:45,795 --> 05:42:49,090
There are some product placements
which I thought were very clunky.

6779
05:42:49,173 --> 05:42:52,969
The Blockbuster thing,
which by the way was a visual effect.

6780
05:42:53,052 --> 05:42:55,263
If you watch it,
it's wobbling as it's going.

6781
05:42:55,346 --> 05:42:57,974
I guess when you bought your ticket,
you got a scratcher thing.

6782
05:42:58,057 --> 05:42:59,767
It was just a gimmick
and I think they were trying

6783
05:42:59,850 --> 05:43:03,104
to come up with something kind
of like William Castle would have done.

6784
05:43:03,187 --> 05:43:04,772
<i>- Play the House on Haunted Hill game.</i>

6785
05:43:04,855 --> 05:43:07,149
<i>See the movie</i>
<i>and you could win a $100,000.</i>

6786
05:43:07,233 --> 05:43:08,901
"Maybe you'll win a $1 million.

6787
05:43:08,985 --> 05:43:12,697
Or maybe you'll just get a free
video rental at Blockbuster."

6788
05:43:12,780 --> 05:43:14,824
<i>- Including Blockbuster movie rentals.</i>

6789
05:43:14,907 --> 05:43:17,535
We never really gave away
a $1 million nor did we have it.

6790
05:43:17,618 --> 05:43:18,995
I don't know if that's even legal.

6791
05:43:20,454 --> 05:43:21,831
<i>How is she pulling this off?</i>

6792
05:43:23,958 --> 05:43:26,627
When I saw the film cut together
I thought, "This is going to work."

6793
05:43:26,711 --> 05:43:29,547
And then we ran it for the studio.
They really got behind it.

6794
05:43:29,630 --> 05:43:31,549
And then we were able to get
some of the things,

6795
05:43:31,632 --> 05:43:35,136
like I wanted uh,
Marilyn Manson's <i>Sweet Dreams</i>.

6796
05:43:35,219 --> 05:43:38,556
They sort of balked at the price
you know, until they saw the film

6797
05:43:38,639 --> 05:43:40,057
and said, "Yes, let's put it in there."

6798
05:43:40,141 --> 05:43:41,851
So everyone was on board at that point.

6799
05:43:41,934 --> 05:43:46,814
<i>♪ Everybody is looking for something ♪</i>

6800
05:43:46,856 --> 05:43:49,358
Seeing it with an audience,
they were jumping out of their seat

6801
05:43:49,400 --> 05:43:50,568
and having a great time.

6802
05:43:50,651 --> 05:43:53,487
I remember one girl left
in the middle of the movie.

6803
05:43:53,571 --> 05:43:55,114
I said, "You didn't like the movie?"

6804
05:43:55,197 --> 05:43:57,908
She said, "No, it's too scary."
I said, "Yes!"

6805
05:43:58,868 --> 05:44:02,038
<i>Sure is a funky old house, ain't it?</i>

6806
05:44:13,716 --> 05:44:15,134
You could take half a dozen directors

6807
05:44:15,217 --> 05:44:17,637
and give them <i>Sleepy Hollow</i>
as a short story

6808
05:44:17,720 --> 05:44:19,138
and say, "What would you do with this?"

6809
05:44:19,221 --> 05:44:22,016
They'd all do something different.
Ridley Scott would make a different film.

6810
05:44:22,099 --> 05:44:23,809
Stanley Kubrick would make
a different film.

6811
05:44:23,893 --> 05:44:25,478
Chris Nolan would make a different one.

6812
05:44:25,561 --> 05:44:27,813
And that's the beauty of what
we love about filmmaking.

6813
05:44:27,897 --> 05:44:30,608
<i>Sleepy Hollow</i>, of course,
is probably inspired

6814
05:44:30,691 --> 05:44:32,777
by the original Walt Disney film.

6815
05:44:32,860 --> 05:44:35,196
Because Tim Burton originally
worked at Walt Disney.

6816
05:44:35,279 --> 05:44:38,240
But he creates something very,
very different out of it.

6817
05:44:41,494 --> 05:44:44,580
<i>Sleepy Hollow</i> largely follows
the old legend

6818
05:44:44,664 --> 05:44:46,415
that we've all come to know and love.

6819
05:44:46,499 --> 05:44:49,835
Only this film casts Ichabod Crane
as a detective

6820
05:44:49,919 --> 05:44:54,131
sent from the big city to investigate
a rash of decapitations

6821
05:44:54,215 --> 05:44:56,133
in the sleepy town of Sleepy Hollow.

6822
05:44:56,217 --> 05:44:58,386
<i>I am Constable Ichabod Crane.</i>

6823
05:44:58,469 --> 05:45:01,430
<i>Sent to you from New York</i>
<i>to investigate murder in Sleepy Hollow.</i>

6824
05:45:01,514 --> 05:45:03,933
- I thought this detective angle
worked well.

6825
05:45:04,016 --> 05:45:06,227
It's a really amazing-looking movie.

6826
05:45:06,310 --> 05:45:08,521
Tim Burton described the movie as a cross

6827
05:45:08,604 --> 05:45:10,940
between a Merchant Ivory movie
and a Hammer movie

6828
05:45:11,023 --> 05:45:12,441
which I thought was great.

6829
05:45:17,697 --> 05:45:19,699
- He really took the concept
of a Hammer movie

6830
05:45:19,782 --> 05:45:21,575
and put all the production value into it.

6831
05:45:21,659 --> 05:45:25,079
Cool to see him kind of play
on that large canvas in a horror space.

6832
05:45:27,289 --> 05:45:29,792
- Tim Burton who was coming off
the troubled production

6833
05:45:29,875 --> 05:45:33,212
of Superman Lives was only too
happy to pick up the mantle

6834
05:45:33,337 --> 05:45:36,674
on <i>Sleepy Hollow</i> and turn it
into the goth nightmare

6835
05:45:36,716 --> 05:45:37,758
that he's known for.

6836
05:45:37,800 --> 05:45:38,676
<i>What is it?</i>

6837
05:45:43,723 --> 05:45:47,143
The entire idea of this film
was conceived by Kevin Yagher

6838
05:45:47,226 --> 05:45:49,645
and so he collaborated with
<i>Seven</i>'s screenwriter,

6839
05:45:49,729 --> 05:45:50,938
Andrew Kevin Walker.

6840
05:45:51,021 --> 05:45:55,234
Kevin Yagher actually intended
this to be a low-budget showcase

6841
05:45:55,317 --> 05:45:58,863
of some special effects stuff,
but once you get Tim Burton in the mix,

6842
05:45:58,946 --> 05:46:00,781
it becomes something else entirely.

6843
05:46:03,284 --> 05:46:05,703
- Johnny Depp is Tim Burton's alter ego.

6844
05:46:05,786 --> 05:46:07,580
He can't resist pulling him in really.

6845
05:46:07,663 --> 05:46:09,498
<i>Villainy wears many masks.</i>

6846
05:46:09,582 --> 05:46:11,709
<i>None so dangerous as the mask of virtue.</i>

6847
05:46:11,792 --> 05:46:14,628
Depp and Burton had agreed
on a descriptor.

6848
05:46:14,712 --> 05:46:17,298
They called him,
"Ichabod Crane girl detective".

6849
05:46:17,381 --> 05:46:19,175
So he's there to investigate
and he's there to solve the crime,

6850
05:46:19,258 --> 05:46:21,260
but he's very prissy
and easily frightened,

6851
05:46:21,343 --> 05:46:22,928
and has to sort of rise to the challenge.

6852
05:46:23,012 --> 05:46:24,221
It's a very Burton choice.

6853
05:46:24,305 --> 05:46:25,806
It was an interesting spin
on the whole thing.

6854
05:46:25,890 --> 05:46:29,477
<i>It is what we call, "Optics". It is truth.</i>

6855
05:46:29,560 --> 05:46:31,270
<i>But truth is not always appearance.</i>

6856
05:46:31,353 --> 05:46:34,523
One of the most enduring things
about <i>Sleepy Hollow</i> is

6857
05:46:34,607 --> 05:46:37,693
the headless horseman played
by Christopher Walken.

6858
05:46:37,777 --> 05:46:39,403
He looks amazing.

6859
05:46:44,241 --> 05:46:47,953
It's so memorable when he holds up
the flaming pumpkin. It's great.

6860
05:46:51,123 --> 05:46:53,626
Christopher Walken is memorable
in that role.

6861
05:46:53,709 --> 05:46:55,377
Frightening and sort of insane.

6862
05:46:58,005 --> 05:46:59,882
It's a really brave choice
to put Christopher Walken

6863
05:46:59,965 --> 05:47:01,425
in a movie and not give him any lines.

6864
05:47:01,509 --> 05:47:03,385
You look better without a head.

6865
05:47:03,469 --> 05:47:05,304
- He's played by Christopher Walken

6866
05:47:05,387 --> 05:47:09,975
when his face is shown, but when it's not,
that's <i>The Phantom Menace</i> star, Ray Park.

6867
05:47:15,981 --> 05:47:18,192
Everything is fantastical and mystical.

6868
05:47:18,275 --> 05:47:21,821
You've got a beautiful
incredible score by Danny Elfman.

6869
05:47:21,862 --> 05:47:23,989
It's a scary fairy tale come to life.

6870
05:47:27,159 --> 05:47:29,829
<i>Sleepy Hollow</i> did perform
very well at the box office

6871
05:47:29,912 --> 05:47:31,997
in spite of the fact
that it opened opposite

6872
05:47:32,081 --> 05:47:33,874
the new James Bond movie at the time,

6873
05:47:33,958 --> 05:47:36,085
<i>The World Is Not Enough</i>
and that's saying a lot.

6874
05:47:36,168 --> 05:47:37,294
<i>- Is he dead?</i>

6875
05:47:37,378 --> 05:47:39,421
<i>That's the problem.</i>
<i>He was dead to begin with.</i>

6876
05:47:39,505 --> 05:47:41,632
When movies do well,
they often get a sequel,

6877
05:47:41,715 --> 05:47:43,926
but I'm glad this one was a one-off.

6878
05:47:55,688 --> 05:47:58,607
<i>- Prepare for the end of days.</i>

6879
05:47:58,691 --> 05:48:02,528
Arnold versus the Devil
on the eve of the millennium.

6880
05:48:02,611 --> 05:48:04,154
Who doesn't want to see that match up?

6881
05:48:07,408 --> 05:48:10,995
I had been working with Jim Cameron
for most of a year.

6882
05:48:11,078 --> 05:48:12,496
We became pretty close.

6883
05:48:12,580 --> 05:48:14,290
I came to Jim and I said,

6884
05:48:14,373 --> 05:48:16,750
"I'm gonna do this movie
with Arnold Kopelson."

6885
05:48:16,834 --> 05:48:22,298
It was a sequel, prequel, quadriquel,
whatever it was, of <i>The Omen</i>.

6886
05:48:22,381 --> 05:48:23,799
And Jim said, "You're not doing that."

6887
05:48:23,883 --> 05:48:26,886
I said, "Oh?" He said,
"No, you're doing this other film.

6888
05:48:26,969 --> 05:48:29,013
It's called, '<i>End of Days</i>.'
It's with Arnold."

6889
05:48:29,096 --> 05:48:31,140
And I said, "Well, why am I doing it?"

6890
05:48:31,223 --> 05:48:34,310
And Jim's quote was,
"I want to protect my franchise."

6891
05:48:34,393 --> 05:48:36,103
<i>Get down or I'll put you down.</i>

6892
05:48:36,186 --> 05:48:37,688
<i>A thousand years has ended.</i>

6893
05:48:37,771 --> 05:48:39,982
<i>You don't know what you've done.</i>

6894
05:48:41,358 --> 05:48:44,653
I'm not sure that Marcus Nispel
dropped out of the movie

6895
05:48:44,737 --> 05:48:46,697
or Arnold was not happy.

6896
05:48:46,780 --> 05:48:47,948
It was not in good shape.

6897
05:48:48,032 --> 05:48:51,368
There had been a lot of time
which is money spent.

6898
05:48:51,452 --> 05:48:53,495
I think Arnold was deeply frustrated.

6899
05:48:55,247 --> 05:48:57,082
<i>You wish entrance?</i>

6900
05:48:57,166 --> 05:48:58,000
<i>Yes.</i>

6901
05:48:58,083 --> 05:49:01,545
<i>You have much hatred</i>
<i>and vengeance in your heart.</i>

6902
05:49:01,629 --> 05:49:05,758
- He had had a heart issue
and he had a serious operation,

6903
05:49:05,841 --> 05:49:07,968
and so he hadn't worked in two years.

6904
05:49:08,052 --> 05:49:09,511
<i>Who the fuck are you?</i>

6905
05:49:09,595 --> 05:49:11,931
<i>Oh, I think you know who I am.</i>

6906
05:49:12,014 --> 05:49:13,265
<i>You just don't want to believe it.</i>

6907
05:49:13,349 --> 05:49:15,559
Listen, anybody who thinks that
Arnold Schwarzenegger

6908
05:49:15,643 --> 05:49:20,648
is just a big bunch of muscles
is in for a very, very rude awakening.

6909
05:49:20,731 --> 05:49:22,149
<i>You don't want to see me upset.</i>

6910
05:49:22,232 --> 05:49:24,318
<i>Oh, you want to fuck with me?</i>

6911
05:49:24,401 --> 05:49:26,737
<i>You're a fucking choir boy compared to me!</i>

6912
05:49:26,820 --> 05:49:27,863
<i>A choir boy!</i>

6913
05:49:27,947 --> 05:49:30,824
He's very bright. He's always prepared.

6914
05:49:30,908 --> 05:49:32,868
You kind of have to be on your game

6915
05:49:32,952 --> 05:49:34,703
if you're gonna make a picture
with Arnold.

6916
05:49:34,787 --> 05:49:36,080
He is a movie star.

6917
05:49:38,707 --> 05:49:41,377
He was used to getting his way
and in many instances,

6918
05:49:41,460 --> 05:49:43,712
he got his way and in some instances,
he didn't.

6919
05:49:43,796 --> 05:49:46,006
<i>-What happened?</i>
<i>-We had a difference of opinion.</i>

6920
05:49:47,257 --> 05:49:50,260
<i>I thought that my wife</i>
<i>and daughter should live</i>

6921
05:49:50,344 --> 05:49:51,387
<i>and he felt otherwise.</i>

6922
05:49:51,470 --> 05:49:56,183
I wanted to make him as human
and as sympathetic as possible

6923
05:49:56,266 --> 05:49:57,559
and Arnold was game.

6924
05:49:57,643 --> 05:49:59,395
-He was great.
<i>-No!</i>

6925
05:49:59,478 --> 05:50:02,314
The beginning of the film,
I had done his close-up.

6926
05:50:02,398 --> 05:50:05,901
Arnold said, "Wait a minute,
I have an announcement to make.

6927
05:50:05,985 --> 05:50:10,072
This is the best close-up of me
that I've ever had taken."

6928
05:50:10,155 --> 05:50:13,701
It was so nice of Arnold
to do-- to have done that.

6929
05:50:13,784 --> 05:50:15,035
It was so supportive.

6930
05:50:15,119 --> 05:50:17,371
<i>A thousand years</i>
<i>you have waited for my return</i>

6931
05:50:17,454 --> 05:50:20,874
<i>and with your last breath</i>
<i>I shall bear witness to the end of days.</i>

6932
05:50:20,958 --> 05:50:24,128
Gabriel Byrne was just a lovely man.
I adored him.

6933
05:50:24,211 --> 05:50:25,212
And I loved talking to him.

6934
05:50:25,295 --> 05:50:26,922
<i>I couldn't convince her to come here.</i>

6935
05:50:30,217 --> 05:50:32,886
<i>Yuck. Then I shall have to go to her.</i>

6936
05:50:32,970 --> 05:50:35,180
Kevin Pollak was manically funny.

6937
05:50:35,264 --> 05:50:37,349
He'd be off doing <i>Columbo</i>
and he could make

6938
05:50:37,433 --> 05:50:38,684
one eye go like that.

6939
05:50:39,643 --> 05:50:41,562
<i>-Ah, fuck!</i>
<i>-You're bleeding.</i>

6940
05:50:41,645 --> 05:50:43,981
<i>Of course, I'm bleeding,</i>
<i>you fucking shot me.</i>

6941
05:50:44,064 --> 05:50:46,775
<i>-I just needed to find out.</i>
<i>-Well, you found out, okay?</i>

6942
05:50:46,859 --> 05:50:49,236
Robin Tunney was already cast
in the movie.

6943
05:50:49,319 --> 05:50:50,904
She's really a good actress.

6944
05:50:50,988 --> 05:50:52,156
<i>How do you know my name?</i>

6945
05:50:52,239 --> 05:50:54,491
<i>He's gonna fuck you. Can you see him?</i>

6946
05:50:54,575 --> 05:50:56,994
<i>Who are you?</i>
<i>How do you know my name?</i>

6947
05:50:58,787 --> 05:51:03,125
This very imposing figure
of Arnold Schwarzenegger is on the set.

6948
05:51:03,208 --> 05:51:05,335
Nobody wanted to appear unprepared.

6949
05:51:05,419 --> 05:51:07,379
Nobody wanted to blow takes,

6950
05:51:07,463 --> 05:51:09,173
because they couldn't remember
their lines.

6951
05:51:09,256 --> 05:51:12,301
So everybody knew what they were
supposed to do and they did it.

6952
05:51:12,384 --> 05:51:15,471
<i>If you read the Bible,</i>
<i>you can't miss it. Faith.</i>

6953
05:51:15,554 --> 05:51:19,349
<i>Between your faith and my GLOCK 9mm,</i>
<i>I take my GLOCK.</i>

6954
05:51:19,433 --> 05:51:21,226
You know, there was some
pretty big set pieces.

6955
05:51:21,310 --> 05:51:24,146
There was one with the subway train
and there was a fight.

6956
05:51:31,070 --> 05:51:34,490
That New Year's Eve was as cold
as anything I remember.

6957
05:51:34,531 --> 05:51:35,574
We never got warm.

6958
05:51:35,657 --> 05:51:38,243
Camera assistant was taken away
by ambulance,

6959
05:51:38,327 --> 05:51:40,120
'cause he had hypothermia.

6960
05:51:40,204 --> 05:51:41,997
I remember shooting two endings.

6961
05:51:42,081 --> 05:51:44,166
Because I had this idea that
he should die,

6962
05:51:44,249 --> 05:51:46,418
which, among other things,
would humanize him.

6963
05:51:50,506 --> 05:51:52,925
Arnold Schwarzenegger is an industry.

6964
05:51:52,966 --> 05:51:56,220
Best movie to make is a movie
with him in it, because he's in it.

6965
05:51:56,303 --> 05:51:59,056
<i>So the Prince of Darkness</i>
<i>wants to conquer the earth,</i>

6966
05:51:59,139 --> 05:52:02,392
<i>but he has to wait until an hour</i>
<i>before midnight of New Year's Eve.</i>

6967
05:52:02,476 --> 05:52:03,477
<i>This is Eastern time?</i>

6968
05:52:03,560 --> 05:52:05,771
The film is as good
as I could have made it.

6969
05:52:05,854 --> 05:52:07,606
When you do a film,
you want people to see it.

6970
05:52:07,689 --> 05:52:10,567
Box office success certainly at that time

6971
05:52:10,651 --> 05:52:15,614
was a direct indicator as to whether
there are a lot of eyeballs on the movie.

6972
05:52:15,697 --> 05:52:18,617
To me, it wasn't money.
It was you wanted people to see it.

6973
05:52:20,452 --> 05:52:22,037
<i>I can do this all day long.</i>

6974
05:52:22,579 --> 05:52:28,377
FAMOUS LAST WORDS

6975
05:52:28,460 --> 05:52:31,588
Back in the olden days,
if we wanted to watch movies,

6976
05:52:31,630 --> 05:52:33,465
we had to go to a store

6977
05:52:33,549 --> 05:52:35,634
and they would have them
in these little boxes

6978
05:52:35,717 --> 05:52:39,721
and you would IRL like go
and see what kind of movies

6979
05:52:39,805 --> 05:52:40,848
you wanted to rent.

6980
05:52:40,931 --> 05:52:42,766
<i>- This is DVD.</i>

6981
05:52:44,017 --> 05:52:47,437
The late '90s, early 2000s
was the height of the DVD boom

6982
05:52:47,479 --> 05:52:49,231
and it never got better for studios.

6983
05:52:49,314 --> 05:52:51,275
I loved all the extras you used
to get on DVD.

6984
05:52:51,358 --> 05:52:52,818
I loved the director's commentary.

6985
05:52:52,901 --> 05:52:55,279
I loved the director's cut,
the deleted scenes.

6986
05:52:55,362 --> 05:52:57,489
You know, as a film enthusiast
I think all of that stuff

6987
05:52:57,573 --> 05:52:59,992
is really exciting
and I kind of miss it, because

6988
05:53:00,075 --> 05:53:02,786
although, you know, when you buy
an exclusive on Apple,

6989
05:53:02,870 --> 05:53:05,789
you get a few bits and pieces,
it's nowhere near the depth

6990
05:53:05,873 --> 05:53:06,957
that you used to have.

6991
05:53:07,040 --> 05:53:10,169
People bought a lot of copies
of VHS <i>Event Horizon,</i>

6992
05:53:10,252 --> 05:53:13,088
and then when DVD came along,
they threw out their VHSs

6993
05:53:13,172 --> 05:53:14,756
and they bought it on DVD.

6994
05:53:14,840 --> 05:53:16,508
Then they bought it on 4K.

6995
05:53:16,592 --> 05:53:19,887
You know, we really benefited
from the DVD revolution.

6996
05:53:19,970 --> 05:53:23,599
<i>♪ Blockbuster Video,</i>
<i>wow, what a difference ♪</i>

6997
05:53:23,682 --> 05:53:25,851
A lot of people get nostalgic
about Blockbuster,

6998
05:53:25,934 --> 05:53:28,604
myself included on-- in certain elements,

6999
05:53:28,687 --> 05:53:31,690
but Blockbuster has this really
unique position

7000
05:53:31,773 --> 05:53:33,984
of being both hero and villain.

7001
05:53:34,067 --> 05:53:35,736
If you lived somewhere
where maybe you didn't have

7002
05:53:35,819 --> 05:53:38,739
a ton of mom and pop stores
giving you access to things,

7003
05:53:38,822 --> 05:53:40,741
giant corporation Blockbuster comes in,

7004
05:53:40,824 --> 05:53:42,993
and now maybe you have more
access to movies

7005
05:53:43,076 --> 05:53:44,369
that you didn't have before.

7006
05:53:44,453 --> 05:53:47,122
But in areas where you did have
those mom and pop shops,

7007
05:53:47,206 --> 05:53:49,249
they can't compete with the Blockbuster.

7008
05:53:49,333 --> 05:53:51,710
So slowly mom and pop shops
are getting elbowed out,

7009
05:53:51,793 --> 05:53:52,920
which is a bummer.

7010
05:53:53,003 --> 05:53:54,713
As we become adults,
those are the businesses

7011
05:53:54,796 --> 05:53:56,089
that I love to support, right?

7012
05:53:56,173 --> 05:53:57,341
The small businesses.

7013
05:53:57,424 --> 05:53:59,801
The mom and pop independents,
because they're the ones

7014
05:53:59,885 --> 05:54:01,845
bringing you cool shit
that you haven't seen before.

7015
05:54:01,929 --> 05:54:03,430
They're playing by their own rules

7016
05:54:03,513 --> 05:54:05,849
versus the gigantic corporations
that are like,

7017
05:54:05,933 --> 05:54:07,726
"These are our rules
and this is how it's gonna be."

7018
05:54:07,809 --> 05:54:10,145
So it's kind of a double-edged
sword with Blockbuster.

7019
05:54:10,229 --> 05:54:13,190
I don't necessarily see a future
for the return of the video store.

7020
05:54:13,273 --> 05:54:14,733
It is a relic of the past.

7021
05:54:14,816 --> 05:54:17,903
But, having said that,
the actual physical ownership

7022
05:54:17,986 --> 05:54:21,031
of your own video store,
that is something that you can do now

7023
05:54:21,114 --> 05:54:24,534
with buying up special editions
from boutique labels like

7024
05:54:24,618 --> 05:54:26,995
Severin, like Vinegar Syndrome,
like Blue Underground,

7025
05:54:27,079 --> 05:54:28,163
like Mondo Macabro.

7026
05:54:28,247 --> 05:54:29,623
There's many of us doing it.

7027
05:54:29,706 --> 05:54:32,751
But uh, but that's probably
where you'll get the wild

7028
05:54:32,834 --> 05:54:34,711
and more interesting side of cinema.

7029
05:54:34,795 --> 05:54:35,921
<i>Heya!</i>

7030
05:54:36,004 --> 05:54:40,467
- When VOD came along, and now streaming,
it killed the DVD market.

7031
05:54:40,550 --> 05:54:42,344
So that safety net went away.

7032
05:54:42,427 --> 05:54:46,139
Part of the reason Hollywood
just makes big franchise movies

7033
05:54:46,223 --> 05:54:49,643
is because that's the safest way
for them to make their money back.

7034
05:54:49,726 --> 05:54:52,771
The pandemic broke people out
of the habit of going to movies.

7035
05:54:52,854 --> 05:54:55,315
And so, I think the studios,
they're starting to realize

7036
05:54:55,399 --> 05:54:57,651
that they need to start
that habit up again.

7037
05:54:57,734 --> 05:55:00,195
They need the theatrical
component to survive.

7038
05:55:00,279 --> 05:55:02,656
So my hope is that, yeah,
we do kind of swing back

7039
05:55:02,698 --> 05:55:06,326
to where things used to be,
to a model that actually worked

7040
05:55:06,410 --> 05:55:08,203
rather than this current model
which doesn't,

7041
05:55:08,287 --> 05:55:11,039
and I'm speaking purely in
business terms, isn't really working.

7042
05:55:11,123 --> 05:55:13,625
But then of course, like
on the horizon also is AI

7043
05:55:13,709 --> 05:55:15,711
and the chaos that that is going
to bring with it.

7044
05:55:15,794 --> 05:55:18,797
But I have a weirdly optimistic
view of the near future.

7045
05:55:18,880 --> 05:55:20,257
I think things are gonna get better.

7046
05:55:23,552 --> 05:55:25,637
What cinemas had to do is, of course,

7047
05:55:25,721 --> 05:55:28,849
offer more comfortable environments
to entice people in.

7048
05:55:28,890 --> 05:55:33,145
It is still a unique thing that
when you watch a film in the cinema

7049
05:55:33,228 --> 05:55:36,690
with a group of people, you have
that collective experience.

7050
05:55:36,773 --> 05:55:39,776
And if it's a horror, everyone's feeling
the fright at the same time.

7051
05:55:39,818 --> 05:55:40,819
There's nothing like it.

7052
05:55:43,780 --> 05:55:47,492
I don't believe movies
are the premier medium anymore.

7053
05:55:47,576 --> 05:55:49,870
I think we live in a kind
of dysphoric time,

7054
05:55:49,953 --> 05:55:52,539
where people's attention goes to
a lot of different things.

7055
05:55:52,622 --> 05:55:54,666
Film has its place, but I don't think

7056
05:55:54,750 --> 05:55:58,170
it's the apex predator
that it used to be, sadly.

7057
05:55:58,253 --> 05:56:01,798
Maybe it will be again one day,
but at the moment, not really.

7058
05:56:01,882 --> 05:56:03,925
There's the same excitement
there was in the '90s

7059
05:56:04,009 --> 05:56:06,887
as there is in every decade
and the burnout.

7060
05:56:06,970 --> 05:56:10,474
- I think that the end of the '90s,
like the end of the '80s, was rebellion.

7061
05:56:10,557 --> 05:56:12,768
There was a kind of aversion
to this sort of

7062
05:56:12,851 --> 05:56:16,521
mainstream entertainment,
both in film and music,

7063
05:56:16,605 --> 05:56:20,150
that had gotten so big,
and so glossy, and so soulless.

7064
05:56:20,233 --> 05:56:22,277
I would say that the films that
really were seminal

7065
05:56:22,361 --> 05:56:23,862
in the sort of horror-thriller genre

7066
05:56:23,945 --> 05:56:27,532
at the back end of the '90s
were 100% a rebuttal against

7067
05:56:27,616 --> 05:56:30,327
the exploding gloss of the '90s.

7068
05:56:31,536 --> 05:56:34,456
I do think there was a splitting
of the horror genre

7069
05:56:34,539 --> 05:56:35,874
at the end of the '90s.

7070
05:56:35,957 --> 05:56:40,879
Down one path, it goes down the route
of mainstream adventure stories,

7071
05:56:40,921 --> 05:56:44,383
larger-than-life monster flicks
for the mass audience.

7072
05:56:44,466 --> 05:56:47,302
And there's this other little
slightly overgrown path

7073
05:56:47,386 --> 05:56:49,930
which leads you through
<i>Blair Witch Project</i>,

7074
05:56:50,013 --> 05:56:52,933
independent cinema,
off-the-wall directors,

7075
05:56:53,016 --> 05:56:56,520
directors creating their things
that the studios wouldn't understand.

7076
05:56:56,603 --> 05:56:59,314
And I really think into the 21st century,

7077
05:56:59,398 --> 05:57:01,775
those two paths have been
maintained more or less.

7078
05:57:01,858 --> 05:57:02,943
<i>- Hello!</i>

7079
05:57:05,737 --> 05:57:07,948
<i>Blair Witch</i> 100% connected with the public

7080
05:57:07,989 --> 05:57:10,951
and their appetite for something
more grounded,

7081
05:57:11,034 --> 05:57:12,452
more in line with who they were.

7082
05:57:12,536 --> 05:57:14,704
The famous shot from <i>Blair Witch</i>
is the girl with the tear,

7083
05:57:14,788 --> 05:57:16,665
like super close-up in a camera.

7084
05:57:16,748 --> 05:57:20,335
That could have been shot with
your shitty handycam in your backyard.

7085
05:57:20,419 --> 05:57:22,754
That's your life, your experience.

7086
05:57:22,838 --> 05:57:25,632
It's not Tom Cruise
with a giant wig, and fake nails,

7087
05:57:25,715 --> 05:57:27,175
and a huge garish set.

7088
05:57:27,259 --> 05:57:28,343
And I think folks were ready.

7089
05:57:29,511 --> 05:57:31,930
- Meta became too meta,
I guess you could say.

7090
05:57:31,972 --> 05:57:33,849
What did you get?
You got some <i>Scary Movie</i>.

7091
05:57:33,932 --> 05:57:36,643
<i>-What's up?</i>
<i>-What's up?</i>

7092
05:57:39,229 --> 05:57:42,649
Boom. "Alright, well, let's go to
the complete antithesis of that.

7093
05:57:42,732 --> 05:57:43,900
And make a <i>Saw</i>."

7094
05:57:43,984 --> 05:57:46,111
Rob Zombie movies. <i>Hostel</i>.

7095
05:57:46,194 --> 05:57:48,029
And it went really dark.

7096
05:57:48,113 --> 05:57:50,782
<i>- I do think the pendulum swung far.</i>

7097
05:57:50,866 --> 05:57:52,826
<i>Maybe a little too dark for my taste.</i>

7098
05:57:55,454 --> 05:57:58,415
But I think teenage movies
specifically are always

7099
05:57:58,498 --> 05:57:59,458
gonna be important.

7100
05:57:59,541 --> 05:58:03,044
We are definitely back making
remakes of all the movies

7101
05:58:03,128 --> 05:58:06,631
from back in the day, back in the '90s,
because that's what the kids want.

7102
05:58:06,715 --> 05:58:08,717
They're really into <i>Scream </i>again.

7103
05:58:08,800 --> 05:58:10,427
I have two daughters, teenage daughters.

7104
05:58:10,510 --> 05:58:13,013
I get a little street cred,
because of <i>Jawbreaker</i>

7105
05:58:13,096 --> 05:58:15,015
and <i>Urban Legend</i>. And <i>Scream</i>.

7106
05:58:15,056 --> 05:58:16,766
But they're watching
all those movies again.

7107
05:58:16,850 --> 05:58:19,019
And they're remaking
all those movies again.

7108
05:58:19,102 --> 05:58:20,979
They're not gonna stop making
those movies.

7109
05:58:21,062 --> 05:58:22,147
Maybe they'll never stop.

7110
05:58:22,230 --> 05:58:23,565
We might get a <i>Scream</i> 15,

7111
05:58:23,648 --> 05:58:25,692
which I don't think
it's necessarily a bad thing.

7112
05:58:25,775 --> 05:58:28,028
Listen, if Kevin's directing
and Kevin's writing,

7113
05:58:28,111 --> 05:58:29,196
he knows what he's doing.

7114
05:58:31,865 --> 05:58:33,325
Maybe it was lightning in a bottle.

7115
05:58:33,408 --> 05:58:38,788
I'm so happy that I got to be
a part of that '90s golden era,

7116
05:58:38,872 --> 05:58:41,625
that golden age,
because I think it was special.

7117
05:58:55,388 --> 05:59:01,770
IN SEARCH OF DARKNESS
1995 - 1999

7118
05:59:01,853 --> 05:59:08,652
JOURNEY BACK INTO ICONIC '90S HORROR